<Breakthrough> Ninja Looting DKP Guild

[Dunkzz 2]

9 minutes ago, homu2 said:

Maybe you should l2read first the whole thread. OP was announced as winner only then this long dkp rechecking has started.  No doubt - officer dkp abuse.

Yeah you should probably learn how to read. 

"Like someone above had said, when you're getting spammed bids by 15+ people it gets a little hectic, especially when someone says 'All in' rather than a solid number, it takes a moment to get a hold of all of the bids."

 

This answers your guess of what happened. Simple mix up is all. OP was said to have won it then they realized he didn't bid the most. 

 

Learn to read though, might help you in the future where reading is involved. 

[Dunkzz 2]

5 hours ago, Letmetankpls said:

^this. Giving an Accuria to a feral druid over a main raid tank. That's not only unfortunate, it's just disgusting. Why is there even a feral druid in raid while it's not ZG patch? Oh wait, he's an officer

Cause this is a video game and he likes playing Feral Druid. 

Your basically saying, "THEY ARENT MIN MAXING AND PLAYING THE WAY I THINK PEOPLE SHOULD PLAY?!?!?!?!!!!?!?!?!?!?!?!? hfjdkjashfjjadshfjdasfkljisdhagf THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYONE SHOULD PLAY THE SAME STYLE!! FDHASFIHDASFJIHDSJAFHL"

Lol this content is so fucking easy only bad guilds need to minmax. 

You are mad online. 

[homu2 1]

10 минут назад, Dunkzz сказал:

Yeah you should probably learn how to read. 

"Like someone above had said, when you're getting spammed bids by 15+ people it gets a little hectic, especially when someone says 'All in' rather than a solid number, it takes a moment to get a hold of all of the bids."

 

This answers your guess of what happened. Simple mix up is all. OP was said to have won it then they realized he didn't bid the most. 

 

Learn to read though, might help you in the future where reading is involved. 

That excuse is simply not good enough. No one would care it went to some furry war or rogue, but it's really hard to believe espially when the female officer is involved who has no gear and plays in useless spec.

[Dunkzz 2]

1 minute ago, homu2 said:

That excuse is simply not good enough. No one would care it went to some furry war or rogue, but it's really hard to believe espially when the female officer is involved.

Yeah it is. 

Lmao this guy thinks dude is a female. 

Learn to read. 

[Dunkzz 2]

Just go home Homu2. Just go home.

 

-Dunkz

[rockdoc 1]

12 minutes ago, homu2 said:

Maybe you should l2read first the whole thread. OP was announced as winner only then this long dkp rechecking has started.  No doubt - officer dkp abuse.

Nobody has posted any proof that Laurana's dkp was altered-in real time during the bidding-so that he won the item. That's pretty hard to do and would be exceedingly obvious given the nature of webdkp, a discrepancy would be easy to spot. You can even check the awards in webdkp against the raidstats logs yourself if you care! He's just angry that he lost an item that HE KNEW was not loot prio'd to warrior tanks, but was open to bid by all tanks, dps warriors, rogues, etc, that could use it for their mainspec for raid. But this should all bea moot point, right? I mean he joined a loot council guild so that he can NEVER AGAIN be denied an item he deems he needs to have more than anyone else (though it helps to actually do MC to get any items). 

[Faves 0]

Okay Majstor, let me get this straight.

1. You are in a DKP guild.

2. After all bids closed, it was announced that Ring of Accuria was awarded to you for 280 DKP. < - (ok why would they do this when they were going to ninja??)

3. It was then challenged by a member saying that should be wrong.

4. Bid checking occurs... Viola, apparently somebody bid 360 DKP. Now everyone who went to grade school should know that 360 is greater than 280.

5. 360>280. So It was awarded to the person who bid 360 DKP. I don't see any evidence of ninja looting here.

Now since you're basically announcing that you are a loot whore and would Gquit over not being able to do the math, let me help you and back up that claim of your ass being a loot whore.

http://imgur.com/a/DOYDr

 

Then no response.

Honestly, you probably wanted Thunderfury for yourself, seeing you are a tank. BTW, If bindings dropped it was decided that it would go to Hexhellstorm, so what you were assuming was simply not true.

Seriously man, I didn't bat an eye on why you left, but seeing this post went up your actions are far too immature to play it off as "joking"
"I take everything so seriously" Definitely you are the one taking everything seriously, being so butthurt and accusing Breakthrough of being a ninja.
I didn't think you were being TOO real about the conversations we had but seeing as this post went up you were definitely not joking and was being serious about demanding your BRE and Thunderfury.

Way to be classy, Majstor.

[rockdoc 1]

11 minutes ago, Faves said:

 

http://imgur.com/a/DOYDr

 

Then no response.

 

This should be a warning to anyone in <We Play Horde>, that if you are a warrior/melee dps, there's a pretty good chance Majstor is going to take pvp/dps items from you, or ragequit/cause drama if he doesn't get items for even his offspec that he doesnt even fucking use.

[Haestingas 30]

It's a bit scummy for an officer to try to influence loot in a dkp system (that whisper asking him to pass to the rogue). That being said, as long as they have a screenshot of the druid going "all in" during the proper bidding window this was not a ninja. You thinking that ferals shouldn't get this ring doesn't make it a ninja.

Running dkp is very hectic and I'm sure the gap you are freaking out about, was just the officers quadruple checking the dkp to make sure they didn't fuck it up. I've taken bids on a couple of raids and when you miss a bid and get corrected in public (which the druid was totally justified in doing) you tend to be extra cautious. Quite frankly its a sign of good leadership that they took their time to get it right, it would have been FAR WORSE for them to give you the ring when the druid has the winning bid.

[Downcast 0]

26 minutes ago, Haestingas said:

It's a bit scummy for an officer to try to influence loot in a dkp system (that whisper asking him to pass to the rogue). That being said, as long as they have a screenshot of the druid going "all in" during the proper bidding window this was not a ninja. You thinking that ferals shouldn't get this ring doesn't make it a ninja.

Running dkp is very hectic and I'm sure the gap you are freaking out about, was just the officers quadruple checking the dkp to make sure they didn't fuck it up. I've taken bids on a couple of raids and when you miss a bid and get corrected in public (which the druid was totally justified in doing) you tend to be extra cautious. Quite frankly its a sign of good leadership that they took their time to get it right, it would have been FAR WORSE for them to give you the ring when the druid has the winning bid.

1 hour ago, homu2 said:

That excuse is simply not good enough. No one would care it went to some furry war or rogue, but it's really hard to believe espially when the female officer is involved who has no gear and plays in useless spec.

7 hours ago, Letmetankpls said:

^this. Giving an Accuria to a feral druid over a main raid tank. That's not only unfortunate, it's just disgusting. Why is there even a feral druid in raid while it's not ZG patch? Oh wait, he's an officer

7 hours ago, edi said:

Pretty much it was why I was confused too. No one helped me gear at all while I was prebising, I would ask over and over again and you would have the same people sitting in org not helping. Now that did make me not want to help guildies at all, since I received 0 help or acknowledgement while prebis grinding for a week or two. There was no help with consumes either. I was 2nd tank for the raid for 4 weeks, only on the last week did they finally make me a dark iron piece after our group 2 desperately needing it since we only had 1 fire capped tank. The raids also started taking an hour later than scheduled to start since we were missing people, I took it upon myself to start recruiting for them just because I didn't want to wait so long and they weren't trying. They put no effort into the 2nd group and they act like they are the nicest people in the world. 

Here you guys go, case closed. Thanks for your time. Also, Haesting, it's not to come off scummy to ask, we're a very understanding guild with a very close player base. Some people care too much about loot, like Majstor, and this is exactly why people like that don't fit in, in Breakthrough.

 

 

[Niakniak 0]

Here is my experience with Majstor.

I met him in dungeon while he was fresh 60.

I made a couple dungeons with him. In the end if any problem occurred during the dungeon he would leave. Exemple : someone makes him die (my friend mage indeed), he left. Not getting his piece of loot, went mad and left. Too long to start, went mad and left... I cant remember everytime it happened but it is random groups life you would tell me...

Then we end up in the same guild and i was thinking ye he will probably calm down in guild events... He has been offered MT2 post and got like 2-3 pieces of loot every fucking raid even for 10dkp, even over other warriors...

Few weeks after being fully geared from the guild, because he had not even full pre bis during his first raid with breakthrough, 2nd band of accuria dropped and he was willing to get it with plenty others that already were "all in" in dkp the first time accuria dropped. When our ML announce Majstor will get the ring for 280 dkp i was like no way under 300, even for the 1st ring larauna bid over 300. Then we heared roflkopterr saying indeed he missed larauna all in and saw larauna should win it with over 300 dkp and that's what happened.

Then majstor went mad on this, saying this is a ninja loot while it is awarded for an amount of dkp (fucking tard) and he left the guild because he had not received his piece of loot, exactly the same way he did in dungeon... an now we find this shit post from him ... ahahahahahah

He wasnt crying and saying "this is ninja" when he received items prio over other warriors because he was mt2 ahahahaha but now he lost in dkp amount it surely is ahahaha

I wish good luck to anyone playing with this unqualifiable piece of shit.

@Majstor you were a complete asshole from A to Z.

[Lasian 0]

Lasian here. I'm a certified Asian. I just did my calculations to confirm that 360 > 280. If you're having trouble with this, I can recommend you to some Sesame Street counting lessons. I recommend this video. 

 

[TTL 6]

47 minutes ago, Faves said:

 

BRE is one of the best PvE 2h weapons, why would you give it to a PvP pleb? Even the top horde guilds are still using BRE in AQ40 because it's better than BWL 2h's.

[Faves 0]

47 minutes ago, rockdoc said:

This should be a warning to anyone in <We Play Horde>, that if you are a warrior/melee dps, there's a pretty good chance Majstor is going to take pvp/dps items from you, or ragequit/cause drama if he doesn't get items for even his offspec that he doesnt even fucking use.

Don't say this. Nothing against <We Play Horde>, they're an awesome new upcoming guild and their GM is level headed and a good leader. They have cool members as well. If you are new and is guildless, I actually suggest you look up <We Play Horde> and consider joining.
The only problem is this post going up attempting to tarnish Breakthrough's name. It's an individual who is posting, not a guild. Nothing against <We Play Horde>, It's wrong to assume such things from that guild.

@TTL I completely agree with you. But keep in mind this is a DKP guild, and if he is ranking up BRE is one of the best weapons to PVP with. He was complaining to me how he won't get weapons, and I told him I would help him get BRE or Spinal Reaper and talk to Roflkopterr to make sure he has a chance to get it if he is ranking up. Why would anyone keep one of the best weapons from a person who PVP's just because he's tank in a raid? That's just unfair. I was on his side. The only "problem" is though, he wasn't PVPing or ranking up at all.

[Dunkzz 2]

My experience with Majstor is that he talked to Stormy once and now IM MAD ONLINE!!!!

[Lasian 0]

1 minute ago, Dunkzz said:

My experience with Majstor is that he talked to Stormy once and now IM MAD ONLINE!!!!

I'm mad too! 
#Syleisnotmyclassleader
#DowncastColludeswithPraise

#Dunkzztouchedme
(i wont tell stormy dunkzz <3)

[Jaspher 0]

For those of you thinking there was some sort of corruption or altering of DKP, please go ahead and check the WebDKP and tell me where. It isn't like we secretly stash the DKP anywhere. It is easily accessed through the Breakthrough webpage:

https://webdkp.com/dkp/wow/Breakthrough/

 

[rockdoc 1]

5 minutes ago, Faves said:

Don't say this. Nothing against <We Play Horde>, they're an awesome new upcoming guild and their GM is level headed and a good leader. They have cool members as well.
The only problem I have is this post going up attempting to tarnish Breakthrough's name. Nothing against <We Play Horde>, It's wrong to assume such things from that guild.

You misunderstand, I have nothing against the guild, just a warning to those in the guild that if this guy has any sway over loot council, i'ts likely to be biased based on his actions in the past and his attitude toward loot in this game.

[Lasian 0]

11 minutes ago, Jaspher said:

For those of you thinking there was some sort of corruption or altering of DKP, please go ahead and check the WebDKP and tell me where. It isn't like we secretly stash the DKP anywhere. It is easily accessed through the Breakthrough webpage:

https://webdkp.com/dkp/wow/Breakthrough/

 

Well duh! They arent stupid. They know how to hide their hidden DKP. I BET what they do is the officers take all the BOEs in MC and BWL sell them for consumables and weekly DKP donations. Then the GM uses that extra FREE DKP to outbid Lasian on WILDGROWTH SPAULDERS

 

/s (just incase people are retarded)

[riplip 2]

Lmao this is why we just need a /roll  MS>OS guild. whoever wins the rolls wins.

[Downcast 0]

2 hours ago, riplip said:

Lmao this is why we just need a /roll  MS>OS guild. whoever wins the rolls wins.

What we do is fine and generally doesn't has issues riplip, DKP has been around for ages (yes it has its flaws), the problems arise when cry babies play the game, which unfortunately happens and there's nothing that can be done about that.

[cutemeatball 0]

So i have looked through the entire post and ive concluded that BRE is indeed a great weapon.

[Haestingas 30]

3 hours ago, Downcast said:

Here you guys go, case closed. Thanks for your time. Also, Haesting, it's not to come off scummy to ask, we're a very understanding guild with a very close player base. Some people care too much about loot, like Majstor, and this is exactly why people like that don't fit in, in Breakthrough.

 

 

Generally speaking, when you choose to become a DKP guild you are essentially forfeiting the right to influence loot past whatever dkp system you implement. The #1 thing DKP really has going for it, is that you prevent the vast majority of loot drama since DKP is supposed to be completely blind. I'll bet you 1000g part of the reason this player blew up your guild on forum about this event is because you tried to influence his bid. You tried to influence his bid, he didn't agree, then somehow he loses the item even after being told he had won? The optics on that are terrible and most likely why he jumped to the conclusion that he got ninjad.

 

[seph02 0]

From the way I see it, there are 5 learnings:

- Nothing wrong with the guild Breakthrough or it's DKP system.
- The raidleader should not have suggested for the loot to go to a rogue, that goes against the DKP system and leans towards the loot council system.
- If you are getting 6 pieces of loot in 3 weeks and you don't get your 7th, I think you should only be happy that someone else got some gear as well.
- Be flexible and try to be open minded to people making mistakes from time to time.
- If you are not getting the help you need, ask yourself: am I helping others myself ? A mistake often made is that people immediately ask for help when joining a guild, but never/rarely offer their help when it is needed.
 

[rockdoc 1]

1 minute ago, Haestingas said:

Generally speaking, when you choose to become a DKP guild you are essentially forfeiting the right to influence loot past whatever dkp system you implement. The #1 thing DKP really has going for it, is that you prevent the vast majority of loot drama since DKP is supposed to be completely blind. I'll bet you 1000g part of the reason this player blew up your guild on forum about this event is because you tried to influence his bid. You tried to influence his bid, he didn't agree, then somehow he loses the item even after being told he had won? The optics on that are terrible and most likely why he jumped to the conclusion that he got ninjad.

 

Did you even look at all the proof? the winning bid was in as soon as the bidding was opened as proven in the SS you just quoted. It was simply that the message was missed, which lead the raid lead to erroneously declare  Majstor the winner, which was then pointed out, and subsequently corrected.

 

But he didn't stick around to get the SS from Rofl that he was not ninja'd, that dkp was not altered, or talk to any officers. He just raged that he didn't get an item he felt was owed to him and quit on the spot, because all he really cares about is loot.