<Breakthrough> Ninja Looting DKP Guild

[Jaspher 0]

I don't think it's asking much to toss a private whisper like that. Especially when it is purely kept between the two people. It was Majstor who told everyone about it and I was unaware that it occurred and I was leading the raid (Since I was bidding I had someone who wasn't bidding handle DKP). Yes it does move towards a loot council mentality but it was purely going to be a yay/nay situation and the officer handling DKP bids did not tell anybody about the whisper (If you chose to, you are allowed to remove your bid but you cannot change it when you send your initial bid with our system, as it's all private nobody will know if you bid less or didn't bid on an item if you don't win it).

Yes, after Majstor told people in our guild about the whispers he received in his attempts to get them to leave, it made more sense why he ragequit the guild. However, after being given proof that someone else went all in and that their DKP was higher than what he could have bid. We tried to let it blow over but over the week after he left he continually tried to get people to leave the guild by saying that this item was ninja-looted from him. Some of our raiders who were there during the event called him out on his misrepresentation of the ordeal and overall he keeps trying to blame his not getting the ring on something other than a (somewhat) fair and (very) established loot system. He tried to harm the guild by whispering our members. He then tried to slander in trade. Now he's resorting to forums. All over the fact he didn't have enough DKP to outbid that bitchy female officer of Breakthrough, Larauna.

He was given SS in Disc AFTER he gquit because we didn't want to lose a tank over a misunderstanding. But it wasn't sufficient evidence for him.

[edi 0]

7 hours ago, Downcast said:

Really dude? Is this post even necessary? We helped you out a bunch, you got outbid on an item and lost, so you rage quit the guild.

Like someone above had said, when you're getting spammed bids by 15+ people it gets a little hectic, especially when someone says 'All in' rather than a solid number, it takes a moment to get a hold of all of the bids.

Larauna didn't get this because he is an officer, he got this because he outbid you, and that's how DKP works.

To everyone else, yes we have a feral druid, who cares, a lot of guilds use one, this content is not hard.

 

I apologize if you feel cheated, but you got outbid, and Roflkopterr has screenshots to prove it that Larauna said 'All in'.

So let me clear this up really quick: 360 is greater than 280, correct? If it was a true 'ninja' wouldn't it have gone to the bidder behind you, that Roflkopterr asked you for understanding in the situation for (Arvyn)? It went to a completely different person, that bid before you from my understanding, a higher number. Tell me how this is a ninja - I'll wait.

Anyways, it's Vanilla, don't be so loot greedy, anyone would be happy to get six pieces of loot (plus crafted) in five weeks.

Yes dude really even in my main post I said I didn't really care about posting, I just wanted to leave the bad guild and join another one. And then I get attacked while advertising a new guild for my loot system and get called a little bitch who cries over gear. I know people in the guild still and they say I get shit talked all day every day, I'm not even going to name anyone because you would kick them because that's the type of guild you are.

7 hours ago, homu2 said:

Some shady shit is going on here. You still can't explain properly why this ring was rolled almost for 10 minutes(enough time to "fix" your dkp list). I'm pretty sure you just screwed the guy with loot to give it to a noob no geared officer who is playing a dead spec and probably is a girl.

That it what I am trying to warn people. Almost every poster here is from breakthrough and defending their guild of course, but you can believe what you want to believe.

5 hours ago, Faves said:

Okay Majstor, let me get this straight.

1. You are in a DKP guild.

2. After all bids closed, it was announced that Ring of Accuria was awarded to you for 280 DKP. < - (ok why would they do this when they were going to ninja??)

3. It was then challenged by a member saying that should be wrong.

4. Bid checking occurs... Viola, apparently somebody bid 360 DKP. Now everyone who went to grade school should know that 360 is greater than 280.

5. 360>280. So It was awarded to the person who bid 360 DKP. I don't see any evidence of ninja looting here.

Now since you're basically announcing that you are a loot whore and would Gquit over not being able to do the math, let me help you and back up that claim of your ass being a loot whore.

http://imgur.com/a/DOYDr

 

Then no response.

Honestly, you probably wanted Thunderfury for yourself, seeing you are a tank. BTW, If bindings dropped it was decided that it would go to Hexhellstorm, so what you were assuming was simply not true.

Seriously man, I didn't bat an eye on why you left, but seeing this post went up your actions are far too immature to play it off as "joking"
"I take everything so seriously" Definitely you are the one taking everything seriously, being so butthurt and accusing Breakthrough of being a ninja.
I didn't think you were being TOO real about the conversations we had but seeing as this post went up you were definitely not joking and was being serious about demanding your BRE and Thunderfury.

Way to be classy, Majstor.

Again yes I did want a bre. What's wrong with wanting a single item in the raid? We had 0 ranking/pvping warriors in group 2 when I sent the messages, so whats the big deal. I stopped messaging you because you took offense to every little joke, and couldn't understand sarcasm. I know thunderfury was going to hexhellstorm lol and I wanted it to. I was wishing him luck for bindings every time we killed a boss that dropped one. 

And now you try to attack me say my actions are immature and taking shit seriously. I get shit talked by your guild all day in your guild but I don't really care. I got attacked while advertising my new guild and getting called a bitch in world chat for no reason. There's a reason why I waited 1.5 weeks to post because Lexian pissed me off in world chat.

You guys are some of the most toxic people and claim to be nice and helpful which you aren't. People just know that 90% of these posts are from members in the guild as well.

[Jaspher 0]

You say we ninja'd the item from you. But there is solid evidence showing the bids and the "all-in" from Larauna that got overlooked by accident. You were also aware that at least one person's dkp wasn't showing properly and Rofl wanted to make sure that the ring went to the top bidder. If you bid more than me, you would have won the ring.

[Haestingas 30]

The reason I'm pointing out the officer message thing is quite frankly it would make it so much easier for you guys to just NOT DO THAT STUFF. I'm saying this as a guy who was an officer in multiple dkp and LC guilds over the past ~3years.

First of all you as officers in a dkp guild should stay HANDS OFF of anything loot related beyond crafting your loot item priorities and making them crystal clear. That way if anyone has any problem EVER, you just say "check the website, we have been incredibly clear on how loot is dealt there and we do not meddle at all beyond that". This gives you so much credibility and makes drama so easy to deal with it's amazing. When you start meddling you invite SO MUCH DRAMA, how come your officer is messaging this one guy to pass and not this other time? How come you didn't ask this one person to pass to me? You are opening up a can of worms that really you shouldn't be.

Secondly if you are going to meddle WHICH YOU SHOULDN'T, quite frankly you want that item going to the warrior MT every time assuming both he and the rogue are good guildies. Accuria is essentially the best item in the entire game for threat, with only DFT, and Thunderfury really having comparable impact. It’s so strong for the slot that the tank will use that item in every single fight except twins through C’thun. That item just has to impact the tank landing a SINGLE ability ever in their entire time in your guild that stops a dps from pulling agro due to said item, and it’s now done 1000x more work than the rogue will ever do with it. A rogue with Accuria doing ~10 more dps will save your raid one in a million boss fights, a MT with Accuria will save your raid one in a hundred boss fights.

 

 

[Jaspher 0]

But Majstor was not the Main Tank. He was primary Off-Tank. Hexhellstorm is our warrior MT and he got the ring the week before. That's one of the items we keep addressing but seems to get lost.

And guild was happy to leave you alone until you tried to get some of our members to quit with this story of you being cheated out of a ring when it was a legitimate error on Rofl's part and he owned up to it; he showed you the screenshot of the incoming bids; and you just overall kept trying to place the entirety of the blame onto the guild rather than own up to your own rash decision and be willing to accept that you were outbid.

[Jaspher 0]

@Haestingas Overall, I don't think bids will be meddled with like they were at that moment. We've seen it can cause too much drama and overall is not worth it, and to my knowledge this was the first time it occurred. We learned our lesson from it and it shouldn't be happening in the future. Yes, there were two mess-ups back-to-back involving one person. Eventually enough rings will drop that the dps and offtanks can get them. Patience is the name of the game.

But instead of being willing to talk it out and make sure everyone knew what happened we got a ragequit followed by attempts to poach members (especially some of our newer tanks) to leave the guild.

That is the truly scummy thing to do.

[edi 0]

3 minutes ago, Jaspher said:

@Haestingas Overall, I don't think bids will be meddled with like they were at that moment. We've seen it can cause too much drama and overall is not worth it, and to my knowledge this was the first time it occurred. We learned our lesson from it and it shouldn't be happening in the future. Yes, there were two mess-ups back-to-back involving one person.

But instead of being willing to talk it out and make sure everyone knew what happened we got a ragequit followed by attempts to poach members (especially some of our newer tanks) to leave the guild.

That is the truly scummy thing to do.

Lmao I love how much you guys lie and try to trash me. Yes I did tell other tanks what happened and to watch out. Post a screenshot of me telling someone to leave and join my guild. It didn't happen because my new guild is EU raid times and raids early in the morning during normal NA times, so most people can't even join this guild. 

[Jaspher 0]

I never said you were trying to get them to join your guild. Simply to leave ours. Second page of posts on here has Rofl's screenshot showing my bid 6 seconds after your bid yet you still keep saying we stole the item from you. We also gave a link to the DKP for people to look at and see that there was no DKP manipulation. There was no ninja-loot occuring on the ring. You keep managing to sidestep this critical part of your original post.

[Haestingas 30]

Lets be real here, every guild essentially has 2 MTs. There's a TON of bosses and trash packs that want 2 geared to the teeth and decent tanks. Razorgore, Vael until your dps is good, Broodlord, every drake to taunt buffet and ebon the heal, time lapse chrom, Skeram, Sartura, Fankriss, Twin Emps, Ouro, C'thun ALL OF THOSE you want 2 geared as hell tanks or more. Every single guild on the planet has 2 people whos ONLY job is to tank, and on the rare fights where 2 tanks aren't needed they still have MASSIVE impact by using nightfall.

I agree the dude rage quit for a dumb reason and now is trying to paint you guys as ninjas, which you are not which I've said before in this thread. I think your guild all in all dealt with the event itself fairly, as well as the dude going nuts afterwards. I'm just saying that there's something to be learned from this, which it seems like you have which is great and the sign of a decent guild.

 

[Downcast 0]

2 hours ago, edi said:

Lmao I love how much you guys lie and try to trash me. Yes I did tell other tanks what happened and to watch out. Post a screenshot of me telling someone to leave and join my guild. It didn't happen because my new guild is EU raid times and raids early in the morning during normal NA times, so most people can't even join this guild. 

Watch out for what? Watch out for getting outbid on items? Damn those Breakthrough guys, allowing me to be outbid on an item! Damn all humanity!

[Firebrand 3]

290>360

 

Kek

[Maico 1]

I feel for ya Majstor. Its pretty common knowledge even from within that guild that there is officer favoritism/shady stuff that goes on. People can either just live with it or leave.  90% of the members are cool, but theres that other 10% lol. Good luck bro plenty of other guilds out there! 

[rockdoc 1]

4 minutes ago, Maico said:

I feel for ya Majstor. Its pretty common knowledge even from within that guild that there is officer favoritism/shady stuff that goes on.

This has been accused a few times in this thread, but not one actual concrete example of favoritism or shady stuff has actually been given, let alone proof of such. Care to provide an example with some proof?

[Maico 1]

5 minutes ago, rockdoc said:

This has been accused a few times in this thread, but not one actual concrete example of favoritism or shady stuff has actually been given, let alone proof of such. Care to provide an example with some proof?

Theres really no need to get into it on the public forum. Just experiences ive had within that guild  and conversations ive had with current and non current members. If you want specifics hit me up ingame, but theres no reason to get into it here. 

[Dunkzz 2]

5 hours ago, Maico said:

Theres really no need to get into it on the public forum. 

He says as he makes his second unnecessary post of the night. 

[Downcast 0]

7 hours ago, Maico said:

I feel for ya Majstor. Its pretty common knowledge even from within that guild that there is officer favoritism/shady stuff that goes on. People can either just live with it or leave.  90% of the members are cool, but theres that other 10% lol. Good luck bro plenty of other guilds out there! 

You know that's not true dude. Stop with the rumors bro, if for nobody else, stop for me, I never did anything wrong to you. You had your concerns, I checked into it, they were false concerns, which now makes these false rumors.

Either way, whatever train of thought leads one to feeling sorry for someone that lost an item that he got fairly outbid on when we have all of the screenshots, anyone that has a brain can clearly see there was no wrong doing at all, and definitely nothing got ninjaed.

It is interesting how all of the members we've removed from the guild in the last 7 months have seemed to gather here.

[indi 10]

DKP is a meme

[Oakenlix 79]

I don't even know what DKP stands for.

[Hurricane2 2]

Actually I think dkp is easily the best way to handle loot.  What I dont understand is this whisper bidding.  I see no reason to hide who is bidding and what their bids are.  Just have the bidding done in raid chat.

[Oakenlix 79]

1 minute ago, Hurricane2 said:

Actually I think dkp is easily the best way to handle loot.  What I dont understand is this whisper bidding.  I see no reason to hide who is bidding and what their bids are.  Just have the bidding done in raid chat.

Well it kinda makes sense to do that so that previous bids don't influense later ones, but yeah, it would probably be easier and more clear for everyone if the bids were open.

[Hurricane2 2]

4 minutes ago, Oakenlix said:

Well it kinda makes sense to do that so that previous bids don't influense later ones, but yeah, it would probably be easier and more clear for everyone if the bids were open.

I meant like an auction where you can bid multiple times.  This taking one anonymous stab thing makes no sense to me.

[Downcast 0]

5 minutes ago, Hurricane2 said:

I meant like an auction where you can bid multiple times.  This taking one anonymous stab thing makes no sense to me.

Because there is different ways to bid, we did a guild poll, and this is what everyone wanted.

1) You can do a public auction off bid where people tend to overpay for items and get hustled by members.

2) You can do a whisper auction off bid where people don't know who is hustling them for items.

3) You can do a single silent bid (which we do) where people bid once, the price they feel the item is worth. It works out really well actually and is far less drama.

 

Like I stated in another post somewhere in here, it's not a problem with the guild, it's not a problem with DKP.

It's a sob story of a warrior that was outbid on an item and somehow that makes us a ninja guild.

[Hurricane2 2]

I don't see how you can say option 3 is the one with far less drama based on this thread and based on the fact it is not transparent at all and can be potentially abused.  Option 1 is transparent and I fail to see how people would hustle the system.

[Downcast 0]

9 minutes ago, Hurricane2 said:

I don't see how you can say option 3 is the one with far less drama based on this thread and based on the fact it is not transparent at all and can be potentially abused.  Option 1 is transparent and I fail to see how people would hustle the system.

This thread is irrelevant man, it's a crybaby that was outbid and tried to make us look bad, not knowing that we have screenshots. It's worked for 7 months just fine.. There's nothing I can do about crybabies. I wasn't the one doing DKP in this as it's our second raid group, but I've always welcomed anyone to challenge me on any piece of loot that's been bid on, and my guild members trust me, nothing shady here. Even then, if people have that concern they are more than welcome to move on.

I didn't say people hustle the system, I said people hustle other people, by bidding them up and bailing out, that's exactly how auctions work in real life, and people do that.

Either way, we all voted in the early days of our guild, and people like this type of bidding. It doesn't matter if you do because you're not in our guild, all this is turning into is your opinion vs mine, which starts sounding political, we don't have to agree, and that's fine.

[Hurricane2 2]

I agree with you about the OP, he is an idiot (though his idiocy could have been mitigated with public bids).  As for players hustling other players in a public auction I still don't see how that would work based on your example as the risk of bidding on something you don't want would prohibit inflating how much an item goes for.  Public auction dkp is simple supply and demand economics.  High demand/low supply items go for a lot and high supply/low demand items go for very little.