Upgraded Blue PvP Set on Elysium

[tribe 4]

the 2% crit is not relevant considering it's negated by worldbuffs and critcap. Anyone in good gear will be close to critcap with just consumables never mind songflower/ony buff

The "if you're a tryhard" argument makes no sense, because if you were a tryhard you'd have the r12 legs making this discussion absolutely poinltess.

Equally, with the correct gear you still end up with ridiculous amounts of crit with worldbuffs and consumables due to the lack of hit in the game right now.

[tribe 4]

Either way, you asked me "what's better before AQ"

R12 and Malfurions is better, that's not wrong. Now move on, I want this thread to go back to what it's meant to be about.

[Haestingas 30]

HAHAHAH man you are so bad. You obviously have no idea how crit caps work and warrior itemization. You are not crit capped if you itemize correctly. Close to crit cap without world buffs? Holy shit you are so uninformed. You realize the BASE CRIT CAP assuming 0% hit is 30% right? Any warrior with half a brain has 9% hit for yellows, so feel free to show me a warrior at 39% crit without world buffs. My god you just have no idea and are reaching for straws at this point.

R12 is better than R8? NO WAY MAN!!!

[poma 0]

+1.

no point grinding further r11 on this serv, raidlog inc gl 

[tribe 4]

Wrong again Ape,

Critcap is 100% - 8% dodge - 27% miss chance - 40% glancing chance + player hit chance.

If you can actually manage to subtract 3 numbers from 100, you'll notice that's 25% not 30%.

You're wrong, now please just fuck off. I won't be replying to any more of your bollocks because you clearly have 0 idea how this game works and I'm not wasting my time on you. Pvp gear being upgraded in line with pve gear progression is a valid concern, and if you can't see that you shouldn't even be attempting to contribute to this thread.

[quasexort 4]

People should pvp because they enjoy it, not to get gear.  Gear chasing in pvp is horrible, it only promotes premades who dodge other premades to maximize honor gained, that’s literally what happened on Anathema and the GMs had to ban people for dodging.  I’d say if you upgrade the gear then change the match making to make it so premades only face other premades so pug players don’t get punished.

[tribe 4]

People do pvp because they enjoy it, but equally, removing any incentive to rank will diminish pvp activity for those who enjoy it.

This change only discourages people from participating in pvp.

As to premade dodging, there's already a pre vs pre priority in the queue, try playing horde - every game is premade vs premade. I can't remember the last time I faced a Pug.

[prsina 17]

1 hour ago, quasexort said:

People should pvp because they enjoy it, not to get gear.  Gear chasing in pvp is horrible, it only promotes premades who dodge other premades to maximize honor gained, that’s literally what happened on Anathema and the GMs had to ban people for dodging.  I’d say if you upgrade the gear then change the match making to make it so premades only face other premades so pug players don’t get punished.

I can't seem to understand, so you should go for r13/14 just because you like the title next to your name or what? What prevents your from making your own premade? NOBODY forces you to PuG, you choose to.

[quasexort 4]

1 minute ago, prsina said:

I can't seem to understand, so you should go for r13/14 just because you like the title next to your name or what? What prevents your from making your own premade? NOBODY forces you to PuG, you choose to.

Sure a pug player could join a premade but why have premades face pugs?  What's the point?  Games aren't competitive and isn't fun for either side.  Is there any good reason to have premades face pugs? 

[tribe 4]

People premade because it's the most efficient method of grinding honour. If you prioritise premade vs premade games then you remove the incentive to premade, but this thread isn't for people to whine about facing premades. Again, if you don't like facing premades, make your own and win.

 

This thread is for people to make Elysium aware that we're not satisfied with waiting until Naxx for updated pvp gear because by that point it will be worthless.

[quasexort 4]

Ah, this thread is for rankers to whine about their gear, got it.  Thing is upgrading the gear is just going to make PVP a joke since people will only pvp to grind gear and not to actually pvp.  I don't even play on Elysium and I finished ranking a long time ago on Anathema so I have no reason to bias in this argument.  I'm just telling you why upgrading the gear isn't such a good idea.  You basically reward ~200 people and everyone else has to deal with facing premades because the premades don't want to face each other and pvpers don't want to solo queue because then they might actually have to put effort into trying to win the games instead of being semi afk in a premade.  There's a reason they rejected this idea in the past.  But good luck maybe they will change their mind about it, I doubt it though.  I honestly don't care either way I just find it funny how you guys act like doing this is going to end up being good for the majority of the player base, when it actually only helps like 1% of the population and quite possibly fucks over the casual pvpers who don't want to play in premades.

[tribe 4]

I disagree, so do a lot of people. Life's too short to try and explain it though. I've done too much procrastinating on this thread :P

[Ulfdar 1]

On 8/19/2017 at 11:12 AM, Shedur said:

The Upgraded Blue PvP Set is needed now and not with 1.11 for a healthy PvP Community. Right now it makes absolutely 0 sense to rank to only R10 because the blue set is shit for the most classes. Please change that like it was on Nostalrius that more ppl start to do PvP. You made so many non-blizzlike changes because it's 2017 and because of the high population, and these changes are needed, so why stick to Blizzlike with the Blue Set?

Thanks

/agree

[QQsya 4]

11 hours ago, Haestingas said:

2 piece upgraded blue set is bis for pve for warriors until AQ. It's ok, I realize you guys are so concerned about this issue that you didn't read the other post begging for the same thing with ~6 pages of arguments.

Wow, the 2 piece upgraded blue set (which gets updated in naxx) is better than items that come before AQ? 

 

Btw the current 2piece blue set bonus is 1% parry.  If you want the 40 attack power bonus then it's 6/6 r13.

[ismeckye 7]

8 hours ago, quasexort said:

Ah, this thread is for rankers to whine about their gear, got it.  Thing is upgrading the gear is just going to make PVP a joke since people will only pvp to grind gear and not to actually pvp.  I don't even play on Elysium and I finished ranking a long time ago on Anathema so I have no reason to bias in this argument.  I'm just telling you why upgrading the gear isn't such a good idea.  You basically reward ~200 people and everyone else has to deal with facing premades because the premades don't want to face each other and pvpers don't want to solo queue because then they might actually have to put effort into trying to win the games instead of being semi afk in a premade.  There's a reason they rejected this idea in the past.  But good luck maybe they will change their mind about it, I doubt it though.  I honestly don't care either way I just find it funny how you guys act like doing this is going to end up being good for the majority of the player base, when it actually only helps like 1% of the population and quite possibly fucks over the casual pvpers who don't want to play in premades.

You have to consider that alot of people would only rank to rank 10. You wouldnt even need to do a full hardcore premade. Just casually playing couple weeks to rank 8 or 10 (depends if you want to have the bonus for PvE - that would be rank 8 - or you want to have a decent PvP set to further casually PvP or wPvP - then you would rank to 10 obviously).

Having people who only played for the PvP rewards for PvE raiding made the whole PvP scene apart from the r12+ neckbeards alot more healthy and alive. Haestingas DOES have a point that the updated PvP gear is comparable to raid PvE gear. But at the same time you had to invest couple weeks of PvPing into it to attain it. Might as well farm 700g for cloudkeepers + use Cadavarous Armor/Malfurions to come out about the same.

[Vynia 1]

On 19-8-2017 at 6:12 PM, Shedur said:

You made so many non-blizzlike changes because it's 2017 and because of the high population, and these changes are needed, so why stick to Blizzlike

Thank you, statement made...

You can't stick to blizzlike while you already off the path.

[streamreader 1]

Please stop ignoring this problem Elysium.

[Myllz 8]

20 hours ago, Haestingas said:

The reason I'm arguing about the R8 blue gear is because that's easily attainable for the majority of the server.

 

So is any PvE gear, so why is that any kind of argument?

[Haestingas 30]

3 hours ago, Myllz said:

So is any PvE gear, so why is that any kind of argument?

Here let me help all of you people that find this topic oh so important but cant even be bother to read the other forum thread that beat this same issue to death.

https://forum.elysium-project.org/topic/47367-update-the-pvp-gear-on-zethely-with-bwl-patch/

Go ahead and read that, pretty much every single argument possible on both ends was made on there including a response to your question.

[Caber 4]

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I'm just going to ignore the R12 stuff because that's just beyond idiotic to bring into this discussion. The reason I'm arguing about the R8 blue gear is because that's easily attainable for the majority of the server. R12+ takes serious dedication and should be rewarded with strong gear (which it already is).

 

Not as strong as the r10 gear after buff, my thoughtful friend. It's either both get buffed at once, purple gets buffed first then blue, or none get buffed at all. There is no way the r10 rewards will be buffed before the r13 rewards realistically BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE BETTER THEN.

[Shedur 2]

You only have to Raidlog and play like 3 hrs a week for your epic PvE gear.

On the other side you have to play every day for more than 3 hrs to get to r10 only to get crap gear that is completely useless.

Every Ranker is forced to do PvE to get viable items for PvP and i don't think that is the right way.

[Haestingas 30]

And you only have to farm pugs and never actually challenge yourselves in pvp because MUST MAXIMIZE HONOR. I'm very impressed by your premade stomping pugs and dodging/afking any form of challenge. Private vanilla server rankers are fucking pathetic, only a VERY small # of you actually play for the epic BG slug matches between premades. Forgive my rose colored glasses but I ranked to 12 in retail vanilla and NOTHING was more hype than facing the other top premade and beating them in an epic AB match that came down to the last ~100 resources. The idea of dodging/afking out of that kind of thing would have been UNFORGIVABLE and would have you be the laughing stock of the entire server. Now its COMMON with you cancerous honor farmers.

It's been in the timeline the entire lifetime of your server, this was no surprise change by staff. Stop trying to custom fix vanilla wow to fit your needs.

[Hurricane2 2]

I've done a fair amount of premades the last 2 weeks and we are facing another premade the majority of the time.  If you're going out of your way to dodge then you'll just get banned (same with afk).

[rizzl 1]

+

[prsina 17]

On 8/25/2017 at 8:40 PM, Haestingas said:

And you only have to farm pugs and never actually challenge yourselves in pvp because MUST MAXIMIZE HONOR. I'm very impressed by your premade stomping pugs and dodging/afking any form of challenge. Private vanilla server rankers are fucking pathetic, only a VERY small # of you actually play for the epic BG slug matches between premades. Forgive my rose colored glasses but I ranked to 12 in retail vanilla and NOTHING was more hype than facing the other top premade and beating them in an epic AB match that came down to the last ~100 resources. The idea of dodging/afking out of that kind of thing would have been UNFORGIVABLE and would have you be the laughing stock of the entire server. Now its COMMON with you cancerous honor farmers.

It's been in the timeline the entire lifetime of your server, this was no surprise change by staff. Stop trying to custom fix vanilla wow to fit your needs.

Have you tried premading on horde? Only 1 out of 10 games are pug games. Plz don't talk about things you are clueless about.