Retribution - give me back what's mine

[Xaph 1]

56 minutes ago, killerduki said:

This is false statement,  Fiery Plate Gauntlet and Fiery Retributer was proven via oldshcool Videos.

It was not nerfed for balance reason , it was nerfed because it was proven that way.

In other side Stacking Judgements removal was not proven and they removed it based on assumptions.

/Kind regards Killerduki

It was shown to be nerfed during a patch? From what I read it was scrapped because of a proof of concept video which demonstrated the absurd damage that could be output by rogues stacking spell power. I remember it even being live in tbc beta when arcane mages had a weapon buff that was arcane dmg based 1 shotting people and the response video was a rogue showing spell power melee was in the game already using fiery retributer. I know my memory isn't evidence but anyone have evidence of a patch nerf?

 

Here's the mage vid, still looking for rogue. https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=%23&ved=0ahUKEwja6s6Ah7zWAhUj9YMKHcZSC4sQwqsBCEAwAw&usg=AFQjCNF1sHlk2z9QIx28jtvfnGP_UlkifA

[Whitewolf 1]

Judgements stacking used to be a thing for certain. This was nerfed only for wisdom and light only (the nerf post only mentioned those 2). Right after the paladin revamp there is evidence that it came back from a couple sources, but one of those sources (the reliable one) says that light and wisdom stacking was eventually removed again. There is no evidence at all that crusader stacking was removed except for a patch note later in the TBC expansion that mentions that different rank crusader icons were stacking and a TBC beta video. Because they removed light and wisdom stacking they decided that even without evidence crusader stacking was removed by blizzard also.

Basicly it's on a belief system at the moment. It's a hard call, just one that sucks when you as a person know what actually happened.

[killerduki 54]

19 minutes ago, Whitewolf said:

Judgements stacking used to be a thing for certain. This was nerfed only for wisdom and light only (the nerf post only mentioned those 2). Right after the paladin revamp there is evidence that it came back from a couple sources, but one of those sources (the reliable one) says that light and wisdom stacking was eventually removed again. There is no evidence at all that crusader stacking was removed except for a patch note later in the TBC expansion that mentions that different rank crusader icons were stacking and a TBC beta video. Because they removed light and wisdom stacking they decided that even without evidence crusader stacking was removed by blizzard also.

Basicly it's on a belief system at the moment. It's a hard call, just one that sucks when you as a person know what actually happened.

This is again false statement , nothing was nerfed/removed in live until TBC where for the very first time JoTC was nerf, Light/Wisdom remained up until WotLK.

I speak about the facts and evidence provided.

Their removal in this project was based off assumption (credits to Crestfall and Imbaslap) , no evidence for such thing given at all.

6 hours ago, Xaph said:

It was shown to be nerfed during a patch? From what I read it was scrapped because of a proof of concept video which demonstrated the absurd damage that could be output by rogues stacking spell power. I remember it even being live in tbc beta when arcane mages had a weapon buff that was arcane dmg based 1 shotting people and the response video was a rogue showing spell power melee was in the game already using fiery retributer. I know my memory isn't evidence but anyone have evidence of a patch nerf?

 

Here's the mage vid, still looking for rogue. https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=%23&ved=0ahUKEwja6s6Ah7zWAhUj9YMKHcZSC4sQwqsBCEAwAw&usg=AFQjCNF1sHlk2z9QIx28jtvfnGP_UlkifA

Your link seems doesn't work.

I reported such thing as evidence using Videos from Vanilla period, none of them did scale with sp.

Now , try to read old wowwiki from 2006 , it explain everything about 100% proc rates items, none of them did scale with spell damage.

The only items who scale with SP are those who are "chance on proc" but not 100% proc, also don't confuse this with Enchants, Enchants with or without chance to proc doesn't scale with SP either .

They are in 1 specific category for a reason.

/Kind regards Killerduki