Reason for keeping it 1x?

[trigga 0]

I was under the impression that this server would be faster than a 1x considering that blizzard announced plans on developing a classic server. Wouldn't it make the most sense to make this realm a 3-5x so that players can get a feel for vanilla before it is officially released (re-released)? The current population is right around 1200, and I'm sure that would increase if this weren't a 1x. Just my thoughts, curious as to what others think. 

[Easy Waters 0]

i can almost agree with this, seeing as it is also fast pace. but they are intent on keeping a blizzlike feel i suppose. although nothing much has really changed and they said it is the best vanilla experience yet. dunno how to feel about rolling a fresh druid

[trigga 0]

I totally agree that 1x is the best "feel" but for the sake of time and increasing the population, they need to appeal to a larger audience. Players who want to try vanilla but don't want to spend ALL that time grinding only to do it again on official servers. I hope this is something they're going to work on in the near future. I really thought todays launch would bring in at LEAST 3000 people.

 

[vera 0]

Yes, I too am for a higher rate of XP on Nighthaven. I know it's an unpopular opinion here, but please hear me out. @Shenna and co., I'll leave you alone after this, I swear <3

Trust me, if you can: There is nothing to be afraid of. This server has nothing to lose, and everything to gain by considering an XP rate boost.

The intangible feel of Vanilla: the vastness, the incredible beauty, the world PvP, running through zones scared out of your mind: none of this changes if you boost XP rates to a more appropriate level given the impending horizon of Blizzard's own servers. The game does not instantly become non-Blizzlike, in the sense that the intangible feel of Vanilla is all still there! And, in many ways, the feel of Vanilla is even better than before, because more people outside the usual suspects are going to be excited to play and participate in one of the best games ever created. More people to populate the world. More people, who don't have to abandon other parts of their life just to progress and feel the true excitement of Vanilla. At 2x XP, you will still love your character, you will still feel real attachment and pride for your accomplishments. It not only makes sense, but I swear, the vanilla experience will be even better than before.

I believe that a 2x leveling rate is the perfect choice for Nighthaven, matching well the advanced timeline they have proposed for patch progression. If post-60 play is streamlined, it really makes a lot of sense to give a similar streamlining for pre-60.

 

Giving players the choice to set their XP rate between 1x and 2x through an in-game command would allow us to get through some of the more brutal/boring zones, while also giving us the choice to slow down to savor every last quest in STV, or perhaps doing 51-60 at the original rate.

 

 

Merely serving up the same product isn't going to cut it. Not this time. There is too little time before Classic servers to justify the brutal grind of 1x Vanilla. And not only that, Nighthaven needs something new, an announcement that will boost its population above the critical threshold of 2-3k.

 

Remember, Nighthaven was announced before Classic Servers. The situation has changed, so we should adapt, too. Given all the circumstances, announcing the new changes to levelling rates will get A LOT of attention, the population will explode, the community will be healthier and happier, and it will generally be a huge PR win because Nighthaven will instantly become THE SMART PLACE to roll in anticipation of Classic servers.

 

And, trust me, if you can... it will be the same experience, the same thrill, but so much sweeter.

 

[trigga 0]

40 minutes ago, vera said:

Yes, I too am for a higher rate of XP on Nighthaven. I know it's an unpopular opinion here, but please hear me out. @Shenna and co., I'll leave you alone after this, I swear <3

Trust me, if you can: There is nothing to be afraid of. This server has nothing to lose, and everything to gain by considering an XP rate boost.

The intangible feel of Vanilla: the vastness, the incredible beauty, the world PvP, running through zones scared out of your mind: none of this changes if you boost XP rates to a more appropriate level given the impending horizon of Blizzard's own servers. The game does not instantly become non-Blizzlike, in the sense that the intangible feel of Vanilla is all still there! And, in many ways, the feel of Vanilla is even better than before, because more people outside the usual suspects are going to be excited to play and participate in one of the best games ever created. More people to populate the world. More people, who don't have to abandon other parts of their life just to progress and feel the true excitement of Vanilla. At 2x XP, you will still love your character, you will still feel real attachment and pride for your accomplishments. It not only makes sense, but I swear, the vanilla experience will be even better than before.

I believe that a 2x leveling rate is the perfect choice for Nighthaven, matching well the advanced timeline they have proposed for patch progression. If post-60 play is streamlined, it really makes a lot of sense to give a similar streamlining for pre-60.

 

Giving players the choice to set their XP rate between 1x and 2x through an in-game command would allow us to get through some of the more brutal/boring zones, while also giving us the choice to slow down to savor every last quest in STV, or perhaps doing 51-60 at the original rate.

 

 

Merely serving up the same product isn't going to cut it. Not this time. There is too little time before Classic servers to justify the brutal grind of 1x Vanilla. And not only that, Nighthaven needs something new, an announcement that will boost its population above the critical threshold of 2-3k.

 

Remember, Nighthaven was announced before Classic Servers. The situation has changed, so we should adapt, too. Given all the circumstances, announcing the new changes to levelling rates will get A LOT of attention, the population will explode, the community will be healthier and happier, and it will generally be a huge PR win because Nighthaven will instantly become THE SMART PLACE to roll in anticipation of Classic servers.

 

And, trust me, if you can... it will be the same experience, the same thrill, but so much sweeter.

 

I agree except I don't think players should have to choose between 1 and 2x. that would cause balance problems. I do think that the server should be AT LEAST 3x, ideally 5x. This lets players skip the grind of leveling (even though they still have to work for it) and let them get into dungeons, raiding, and mastering their classes. I understand leveling is an important part of the game, but like you mentioned there isn't enough time left for players to really want to grind out vanilla 1x (even if there's still a year or so before official classic servers). 

[vera 0]

Have you actually played vanilla on 3-5x XP to know what you're talking about? The actual feel of Vanilla WoW is a very fragile thing. For a brand and community that prides itself on protecting the Vanilla feel, I truly think 3-5x XP would irrevocably break the feel.

 

I played Vanilla Awakened when it was a 3x XP server. On one hand I loved it, because I levelled with real life friends who have wives and jobs+school and thus could never play on a 1x server normally. We quested and ran dungeons together ike it was 2006 again, it was really nice. And yet, being more purist than they, I was not fully satisfied with 3x XP. Yes, it was great to reach the end game so quickly. But 3x XP ruined the immersion that comes through levelling. Too many zones became completely optional. Dungeons, especially pre-50 dungeons, were largely ignored because the XP rate was too high; by the time you found a group to run, you might have already out-levelled the dungeon you wanted to go to.

 

A big part of vanilla's feel is having to travel the world to many different zones in order to level. 3x XP diminished this greatly.

Another big part of vanilla's feel is the importance of dungeons while levelling and how nicely they fit into the levelling scheme. 3x XP made people skip many of the pre-60 dungeons that are normally mandatory.

 

Having played on 3x XP, and seeing how GREAT it was on one hand, and how it also hurt some key elements of the true Vanilla feel, I caution against it strongly.

 

Because of these real experiences, it is my belief that 2x XP will be THE perfect Goldilocks rate. It is "just right." It lets you progress at a more appropriate rate, without ruining the majesty of the world itself.

Edited November 6, 2017 by vera

[trigga 0]

1 hour ago, vera said:

Have you actually played vanilla on 3-5x XP to know what you're talking about? The actual feel of Vanilla WoW is a very fragile thing. For a brand and community that prides itself on protecting the Vanilla feel, I truly think 3-5x XP would irrevocably break the feel.

 

I played Vanilla Awakened when it was a 3x XP server. On one hand I loved it, because I levelled with real life friends who have wives and jobs+school and thus could never play on a 1x server normally. We quested and ran dungeons together ike it was 2006 again, it was really nice. And yet, being more purist than they, I was not fully satisfied with 3x XP. Yes, it was great to reach the end game so quickly. But 3x XP ruined the immersion that comes through levelling. Too many zones became completely optional. Dungeons, especially pre-50 dungeons, were largely ignored because the XP rate was too high; by the time you found a group to run, you might have already out-levelled the dungeon you wanted to go to.

 

A big part of vanilla's feel is having to travel the world to many different zones in order to level. 3x XP diminished this greatly.

Another big part of vanilla's feel is the importance of dungeons while levelling and how nicely they fit into the levelling scheme. 3x XP made people skip many of the pre-60 dungeons that are normally mandatory.

 

Having played on 3x XP, and seeing how GREAT it was on one hand, and how it also hurt some key elements of the true Vanilla feel, I caution against it strongly.

 

Because of these real experiences, it is my belief that 2x XP will be THE perfect Goldilocks rate. It is "just right." It lets you progress at a more appropriate rate, without ruining the majesty of the world itself.

I have played on a 3x server, and it was fine. The only reason I am asking to increase the xp rate to 3-5x, is simply to allow players to practice their classes, and get a feel for vanilla game-play. In the best of scenarios, I would like for it to be 1x, but with official servers coming back, there is no need for a 1x server. Though I agree with you that the vanilla feel is fragile, the point (in my opinion, at least...) of this new realm is to help people get a feel for vanilla. I don't think elysium expects to keep this server alive once blizzard introduces their servers. Besides, the current population is abysmal.. No harm can be done by increasing the xp rate. 

 

Thanks for your input though!

[orwell 0]

Nonsense.

All xp boosted servers are sh*t. Check them out and stay there.

Classic servers will probably released 1-2 months after next blizzcon, where they'll announce the release date.

So you probably have more than a year to play.

 

[trigga 0]

17 minutes ago, orwell said:

Nonsense.

All xp boosted servers are sh*t. Check them out and stay there.

Classic servers will probably released 1-2 months after next blizzcon, where they'll announce the release date.

So you probably have more than a year to play.

 

Xp boosted servers aren't sh*t at all, I mean it's honestly personal preference. if the release is 1-1.5 years away, that STILL isn't enough time to get through all vanilla content. And for the sake of argument, lets just say it is. You have a population of about 1000-1500 people which will definitely decline as time goes on. So if you're lucky enough to salvage 500-600 (I'm getting this number based off other 1x servers E.G: Warmane TBC etc..), you still don't have enough players to make vanilla viable. 

 

My proposal would only help to increase the player count if anything.

[Justme 9]

1 hour ago, trigga said:

Xp boosted servers aren't sh*t at all, I mean it's honestly personal preference. if the release is 1-1.5 years away, that STILL isn't enough time to get through all vanilla content. And for the sake of argument, lets just say it is. You have a population of about 1000-1500 people which will definitely decline as time goes on. So if you're lucky enough to salvage 500-600 (I'm getting this number based off other 1x servers E.G: Warmane TBC etc..), you still don't have enough players to make vanilla viable. 

 

My proposal would only help to increase the player count if anything.

Yes it is because naxx will be released within a year. I dont see how this would increase donations 

[vera 0]

7 hours ago, orwell said:

Nonsense.

All xp boosted servers are sh*t. Check them out and stay there.

 

 

It's a blatant fallacy to assume that because it has never been done well before, it cannot be done well or successfully here. As I pointed out, if there has ever been a perfect time to create a reliable 2x XP server (which has never been attempted before), it is NOW.

Edited November 6, 2017 by vera

[Barbablanca 0]

if you raise the ratio I would go to another server, I want to enjoy vanilla.

[lfr1818 0]

since this server will fast progress, so i also prefer a 2xp,that is great. 

[vera 0]

On 11/6/2017 at 12:48 PM, Galiostro said:

if you raise the ratio I would go to another server, I want to enjoy vanilla.

I really mean no ill will towards people who prefer 1x, but I feel that the opposite of what you claim may be true. If this server stays 1x, it will likely enter a slow death (this is just a very common trend for private servers) and you will likely quit the server in one of the waves of player pessmism. It's possible that this WON'T happen, but exceptions to the rule of server population don't happen very often.

 

In contrast my friend, if the server became 2x, I believe you would stay, because the population would explode with new interest and you would find, quite surprisingly and pleasantly, that the key aspects of the vanilla experience don't change or disappear at all when you give players a little healthier progression in leveling.

Edited November 7, 2017 by vera

[Apshai 0]

I just joined up to prep for Blizzard's Classic servers; I absolutely do NOT want anything more than 1x. There's other servers for that. People know about Elysium and will be scared off if it's not vanilla vanilla.

Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against higher exp rate servers, but I think most of the people here are looking for the most Blizzlike they can find. I'm so psyched to find this place, but if it veers from allowing me to prep for Classic - which is 12-16 months away IMHO - then I'll find another.

PS The reason I don't like Live WoW is because of how fast the leveling is, face roll, rinse, repeat. Coming on here, and slowing down is such a joy.

Edited November 8, 2017 by Apshai
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[Kathvely 0]

First time poster, I skimmed the above but am very much liking the 1:1 xp rate. I raid on retail but wanted to search and find something like original wow after Blizz announcement. I think a catch up 2x or more as the server progresses could work but think this for now is very very enjoyable for me. I plan to play this server 5x more than retail over the next year. 

Edited November 11, 2017 by Kathvely

[Nhiem 0]

I think 1x is always best, it makes you care about your character far more than any other exp rates.

[Creamtruck 0]

I have to agree that 2x might have been a better choice given the circumstances. However, it was launched as 1x, and we have people playing at 1x. Leave it at 1x. It would be unfortunate if part of the player base left before we even get to Raiding/Attunement burnout.

[Mr_Sisco 0]

i started vanilla last night, wrong server, not this one, and it had a higher xp rate, it was awful. you out level zones way too fast and without increased loot rates I didn't have the money to buy more abilities I got to about level 20 and gave up on it because there's only so much you can do when your main ability is still rank one...I'm only here to level a character or two to 60 on vanilla in preparation for blizzard's launch so I can just smash leveling out like a machine when that happens.

[Justme 9]

you have A FULL YEAR. You should be able to hit 60 in that timeframe

[Garthim 0]

No.

[Make Azeroth Great Again 0]

I like the normal leveling experience. This whole project was dedicated to replicate the original WOW experience. That's the main reason why I signed up. 

[Kalmar 0]

While I understand that we are all different and have different ideas and preferences, I do not see the point of this thread.

This is a blizzlike server, true vanilla experience in every sense of the word, it is 1x and it will stay that way. Now, I get that for some people higher rates would be far more enjoyable, but then again, you're playing on a wrong realm if that's the case. There's plenty of other servers with higher rates.

Population is strong with approximately 4000 players whenever I check. That's a pretty good number considering this is vanilla and world is much smaller (compared to, for an instance, the most popular Warmane blizzlike x1 wotlk server Lordaeron which has 5k at peak time).

Now, the blizzlike experience is what I'm here for. I like the struggle, slow paced progress, having to group up for alot of quests. I love how people are trying to sell all the junk they loot, even if it is just for a silver or two. Everything is awesome as it is, I really would not change a thing, this is vanilla I remember back in the day. I will definetly support this server with donations once they open their shop.

The bottom line is, it is not possible to please everyone, but if you feel you want something different, be it higher rates or anything else, you're on a wrong server. Not because I said so, but because this server is a resemblence of a blizzlike vanilla, and it will stay that way.

Edited November 17, 2017 by Kalmar

[Garthim 0]

On 11/6/2017 at 11:54 AM, vera said:

It's a blatant fallacy to assume that because it has never been done well before, it cannot be done well or successfully here. As I pointed out, if there has ever been a perfect time to create a reliable 2x XP server (which has never been attempted before), it is NOW.

So no increased XP servers exist?  I have a toon on one right now...and I'm here...and happier...Leave the XP rate alone.  Everyone asking about it should go back to Legion.

[Krackel 0]

I prefer the old vanilla settings. Because if set an high Exp rate, gold etc... this is server become a custom vanilla and lose the initial road.