I have some questions and concerns about this server.

[enyad 1]

Hello,

 

I just heard about this realm today. As I was reading the forums and FAQs, there were a few things that were not clarified.

 

First, I understand the content will be released in accordance with vanilla Blizzard progression. However, will the gear from these dungeons have stats that are pre 1.12.1 or will they be the latest revisions (1.12.1)?

 

Second, I know that this is intended to be an English-speaking server, but the actual server itself is located in Russia, correct? I ask because by now all vanilla server devs should know about Nostalrius and how it being in France didn't protect it from Blizzard's legal department. 

 

Third, if the server is in Russia, how likely is it that Blizzard's legal team could succeed with a C&D if this server becomes popular like Nostalrius? 

 

Also, I feel that these should be addressed in your FAQ. A lot of players will want answers to these questions. No one wants to spend months putting time into their characters only to have it not matter once Blizzard sends in a C&D. I've a feeling that this is based less on location and more on popularity.

[Unstop 88]

All items will be 1.12.1. Our server will be hosted in France for the best latency for all players. We receive C&D letters from Blizzard every month, they mean nothing to us. I hope that clears things up for you.

[enyad 1]

All items will be 1.12.1. Our server will be hosted in France for the best latency for all players. We receive C&D letters from Blizzard every month, they mean nothing to us. I hope that clears things up for you.

 

What do you mean that it's nothing to you? Why did Nostalrius wet the bed as soon as it happened?

[Unstop 88]

[Queeky 58]

Greetings, Enyad!

Content will be released progressively, but gear stats will not be modified, primarily because of the risks which would come with such a change (we could experience core issues and other such things as a result of the change), and because of the time and resources that would be required to implement progressive itemization. Now, I will go ahead and answer your second and third questions: The servers are not located in Russia, but in the European Union (France, to be more specific), but Valkyrie WoW has been around for seven years, and it is highly unlikely that it wil get shut down by Blizzard Entertainment.

Sincerely, Queeky.

[enyad 1]

 

Greetings, Enyad!

Content will be released progressively, but gear stats will not be modified, primarily because of the risks which would come with such a change (we could experience core issues and other such things as a result of the change), and because of the time and resources that would be required to implement progressive itemization. Now, I will go ahead and answer your second and third questions: The servers are not located in Russia, but in the European Union (France, to be more specific), but Valkyrie WoW has been around for seven years, and it is highly unlikely that it wil get shut down by Blizzard Entertainment.

Sincerely, Queeky.

 

Thanks Queeky, well global memes aside, why does the staff at Valkyrie not care about the letters? Do you guys see them as empty threats or do you simply not care? I'm assuming that most of the staff doesn't live in the EU, and that the server is just hosted there. I guess if most of the staff is in Russia then would I be correct in assuming that Blizzard essentially won't touch Russian citizens?

[Queeky 58]

Actually, Elysium's staff does not live in the Russian Federation. Leaving that aside, I would much rather not speak on this subject, but it is safe to say we won't be going anywhere considering we have been actively fighting and promoting WoW emulation and have yet to experience legal issues.

[enyad 1]

Actually, Elysium's staff does not live in the Russian Federation. Leaving that aside, I would much rather not speak on this subject, but it is safe to say we won't be going anywhere considering we have been actively fighting and promoting WoW emulation and have yet to experience legal issues.

 

Fair enough. Still, what's with all of the Cyrillic text on the site and forums? Anyways, thank you Unstop and Queeky for answering my questions. I look forward to playing on Elysium!

[Chunass 14]

Thanks Queeky, well global memes aside, why does the staff at Valkyrie not care about the letters? Do you guys see them as empty threats or do you simply not care? I'm assuming that most of the staff doesn't live in the EU, and that the server is just hosted there. I guess if most of the staff is in Russia then would I be correct in assuming that Blizzard essentially won't touch Russian citizens?

Blizzard sends those letters because they are required to take some sort of legal action to not lose rights to their intellectual property, but they don't really follow up on it. All decently sized private servers receive those letters, and why Nost took theirs so seriously is a mystery.

[Queeky 58]

Fair enough. Still, what's with all of the Cyrillic text on the site and forums? Anyways, thank you Unstop and Queeky for answering my questions. I look forward to playing on Elysium!

The Cyrilic text you are seeing is present because Valkyrie's purpose used to be uniting people from the Russian Federation, so the majority of our realm's players are Russian, however, we decided to open Elysium because we want to provide a safe and welcoming enviornment for English-speaking Vanilla enthusiasts.

[Kjukecke 545]

Fair enough. Still, what's with all of the Cyrillic text on the site and forums? Anyways, thank you Unstop and Queeky for answering my questions. I look forward to playing on Elysium!

You can use this link if you don't like Cyrillic text...

https://elysium-project.org/forum/index.php?showforum=258

[Shenna 1135]

[Enhancement 12]

What do you mean that it's nothing to you? Why did Nostalrius wet the bed as soon as it happened?

 

Most private servers get C&D from Blizz. They ignore it. Nostalrius did not have to close.

[That Druid 6]

Here is the quote of one of Nostalrius game masters:

...

Blizzard did hire a French lawyer who is pursuing us and our service provider through French law, not utilizing the American DMCA one, but simply the French copyright and international trademark laws. This is a major change from previous Blizzard policy and not something that could have been "obviously" foreseen.

...

Nostalrius was hosted in France. You can't ignore Blizzard anymore if it's a provider now, where all the letters are coming to. The only option is to change provider each time it receives a warning from local attorney I believe.

Edited August 10, 2016 by That Druid

[enyad 1]

Here is the quote of one of Nostalrius game masters:

Nostalrius was hosted in France. You can't ignore Blizzard anymore if it's a provider now, where all the letters are coming to. The only option is to change provider each time it receives a warning from local attorney I believe.

 

Interesting. I've never seen that quote, can you provide a source? What's the risk of a French copyright lawyer taking down Elysium then?

[Suzerain 91]

Most private servers get C&D from Blizz. They ignore it. Nostalrius did not have to close.

This ^

 

It was, and still is my opinion that Nostalrius chose to shut down when they did not need to. They sacrificed their player base in order to get jobs with Blizzard and potentially launch legacy servers. If they succeeded and Legacy is in the near future, awesome. If not, well... There is the possibility that they truly were at jeopardy and I'm blinded by losing my characters.

 

The point here being that the C&D letters truly don't have any impact. Nostalrius could have moved the location of their servers like they did in the past. It is absolutely not a problem for us. If for whatever reason Blizzard followed through with their threats, the server could be moved to Russia and that would be that; Blizzard-be-gone.

[That Druid 6]

Interesting. I've never seen that quote, can you provide a source? What's the risk of a French copyright lawyer taking down Elysium then?

 I'm afraid it's against the rules of this forum to post links to other, even dead, similar projects - that's how it usually is. Check for your private messages.

 

Basicly what Anomander Rake said. I'm no good at jurisprudence but I can expect scenarios when Blizzard with their financial possibilities can go much further than just making a warning. Apparently they can demand not only to shut down the server but also to pay damages and block all pirated content and at this point it will be way harder to continue any activity. Risk correlates with attention Elysium gets. It took a great deal of attention before local lawyer has been hired to sue one french provider. Some work should be done before this project recieves that much of attention :^)

[Theloras 108]

oh snap!

[Jaxxon 0]

 

This post is what bothers me a bit about Valkyie..the lack of professionalism of some staff members.

[Alltheway 12]

Flash news: none of Elysium staff are paid professionals, only passionate (and quite selfless) people who spend money and take legal risks so you can have fun playing your favorite game for free.

 

I understand where you are coming from, but I would recommend cutting them some slack!

 

Best,

ATW

[Redcap 6]

What do you mean that it's nothing to you? Why did Nostalrius wet the bed as soon as it happened?

The short of it is, private server projects hosted in NA and the western parts of EU have an easier time for Blizz to lend weight to a C&D issued, in that local judicial systems will work with them in following up with legal action. Most of the time Blizz won't bother with the private server project itself but go after the internet service provider that is hosting the server box set and 'convince' them to drop the private server account. There's a lot more to it than just that, but this is a quick overview of the usual process.

 

Nostalrius was a completely different case due to how large the server population was which in turn generated a MASSIVE amount of Real Money Transaction business happening on 3rd party websites, much (if not all) of which were Chinese. Now, that latter fact isn't a huge deal but the tremendous amount of real money passing hands with Nostalrius being the project making it happen was. All it takes is just a couple of the project staff members to be a part of that RMT sales action going on to open the door to other forms of legal action from Blizzard, and resisting a C&D when EVERYONE knows tens of thousands of USD is being transacted is just begging for financial investigations to be launched.

 

The above is a real world situation and that's how it goes down. It's my personal belief that Nostalrius bugged the hell out rather than let that happen.