Hints and Tips for leveling (Killerduki's view)

[simppi 3]

If you are luck, great, but it will slow you down spam running ZF.  It's good, butter for pally than Warrior due to damage range being low:

 

Sul'thraze the Lasher

It would be pretty good with SotC though, any idea what % the chanse on hit is? Might even try to get it and use it til I get arcanite champion.

[simppi 3]

According to http://forums.crestfall-gaming.com/index.php?/topic/1148-darkrasps-update-11142016/ it should be 9,53% chance to proc, which would give ~3,7 ppm with SotC, which is pretty decent. And ofc you will be hard pressed to find a weap with that kinda dps at launch, esp that early on.

[Undertanker 88]

You can't reverse engineer a weapon that already has a set proc % rate and add PPM to SotC.    SotC will still get the same proc % rate.    PPM is ONLY a name for enchants/items that adjust the proc % rate based on the base speed of the weapon and does not adjust from Haste.   You can not change the proc rate as you can not change the base weapon speed.

 

All abilities that are able to proc a melee ability will share the same proc rate of the reported 9.53%.

[simppi 3]

You can't reverse engineer a weapon that already has a set proc % rate and add PPM to SotC.    SotC will still get the same proc % rate.    PPM is ONLY a name for enchants/items that adjust the proc % rate based on the base speed of the weapon and does not adjust from Haste.   You can not change the proc rate as you can not change the base weapon speed.

 

All abilities that are able to proc a melee ability will share the same proc rate of the reported 9.53%.

Not sure what you're saying here, but yes I can change the weapon speed with SotC.

[Undertanker 88]

BASE WEAPON SPEED

[simppi 3]

BASE WEAPON SPEED

"NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING HERE"

[Undertanker 88]

You can not change the proc rate as you can not change the base weapon speed.

 

Regardless if SotC increased your attack speed by 500% your base weapon speed (the speed on the weapon tool tip, in this case 2.9) is what the proc rate will be based off of.

 

Same thing applies to all classes, rogue or Fury.   Crusader has a 1 PPM.

 

On a 2.9 delay weapon with crusader it has a proc rate of 4.83%.      Even if on my fury warrior I get Flurry going, and bezerkering racial for troll; though my ATTACK speed is hastened, it will not increase the proc rate of 4.83%.    If a rogue pops slice and dice + Bezerkering racial for troll + Blade Flurry the crusader proc will still be based off of the Based weapon speed (2.9) for it's established proc rate of 4.83%.

 

Only the base weapon speed will change the proc rate, not your hastened attack speed.  

[simppi 3]

Regardless if SotC increased your attack speed by 500% your base weapon speed (the speed on the weapon tool tip, in this case 2.9) is what the proc rate will be based off of.

 

Same thing applies to all classes, rogue or Fury.   Crusader has a 1 PPM.

 

On a 2.9 delay weapon with crusader it has a proc rate of 4.83%.      Even if on my fury warrior I get Flurry going, and bezerkering racial for troll; though my ATTACK speed is hastened, it will not increase the proc rate of 4.83%.    If a rogue pops slice and dice + Bezerkering racial for troll + Blade Flurry the crusader proc will still be based off of the Based weapon speed (2.9) for it's established proc rate of 4.83%.

 

Only the base weapon speed will change the proc rate, not your hastened attack speed.  

I didn't say it would change the proc %, just the ppm.

[Undertanker 88]

That is what I am trying to educate you on.  You are thinking of PPM the wrong way.

 

In mid TBC + items had a set "PPM" because the system would limit items from procing in succession which is referred to as an Internal Global Cooldown.  Only about 2 items in Vanilla have this, one being the force reactive disk of 1 second.

 

In Vanilla items can proc 100 times in a row, not probable, but theoretically possible.   You'll see people say things such as PPM in Vanilla, but that is ONLY referring to enchants/items that do not have a % to proc on their tool tip.   An example of a % to proc item would be HoJ 2%.   Yet DMC: Maelstrom does not mention a percent.  A few rare enchants such as Blazing Weapon have a set % proc rate and is not effected by weapon speed, but most are.

 

Lets take crusader for example again:

 

If somebody says crusader has a 1PPM they are telling you that with Auto-Attack only (very important there) with a weapon speed of "x" on average it will proc 1 time.  This information is only useful to help us find the actual Proc-Rate of the enchant based on the weapon speed we chose.  We then apply that proc rate % to our global cooldown abilities + autoattacks to give us estimated benefit of the enchant compared to the weapon speed we are using.

 

Because Sul'Thaze proc is on the weapon itself, the base weapon speed can not be changed.  Since we already have the proc rate of 9.53% we are not concerned with the auto-attack only test to generate a PPM, because it does not matter, we already have the information we need which is the proc rate %.  Only items and enchants that can be applied to multiple weapons of different speeds would we need to figure that out so we can tell you the proc rate % of any given weapon speed.  It's non adjustable.

Edited December 15, 2016 by Undertanker

[simppi 3]

When I said ppm, I meant literally ppm. Not for figuring out what % chance it was, because I already stated that.

[Undertanker 88]

Which then implies internal global cooldown if you are working backwards like that.  

Edited December 15, 2016 by Undertanker

[simppi 3]

Which then implies internal global cooldown if you are working backwards like that.  

Why would it do that? SoC can proc in a row and that has ppm.

[Undertanker 88]

It has a percentage chance to proc.   Each individual swing has the same proc chance.    PPM is a retail thing because items have internal cooldowns preventing multiple procs in  small period of time.

[simppi 3]

It has a percentage chance to proc.   Each individual swing has the same proc chance.    PPM is a retail thing because items have internal cooldowns preventing multiple procs in  small period of time.

Well were talking about vanilla here.

[Unclefucker 0]

- Run later to Ashenvale and start doing the Chain Quest "Raene's Cleansing"

- When you are done with the Chain Quest "Raene's Cleansing" you get "Glacial Stone" (in my opinion is stronger than Verigan Fist because you can proc it thru Seal of Command and Judgement of Command).

 

 

So Verigan is not a must? Good!  

Edited December 26, 2016 by Unclefucker

[Unclefucker 0]

If I may offer my 2 cents - there is nothing in this world more satisfying than 1shot Reck Bombing Horde.

 

Something along these lines - 0/25/26 - http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#sZVGt0s0xZVfotrck

 

Deep Ret has its merits but once you go Reck for PvP you never go back

 

You are talking about level 60, right? I mean, considering you go to ret tree first, reaching Reckoning will take ages.

[ElSlayer 3]

В 08.12.2016 в 05:05, simppi сказал:

3 bars has always been enough for me to get in all pala spells, so idk what he fills his bars with xD

Hey, but it is hard and inconvenient to reach key 9 with your finger! :D

[simppi 3]

Just now, ElSlayer said:

Hey, but it is hard and inconvenient to reach key 9 with your finger! :D

I bind 9 to b

[Rayaleith 2]

Is Paladin easier than Shaman at leveling?

[eXtence 0]

Definetely easier to level as paladin but it is slower compared to shaman. However , paladins have such a kit that allows you to never - ever have a need to drink / eat. We can just right click a mob, alt tab and watch some youtube for about a minute , then alt tab loot heal and repeat .

that playstyle is soo unique pritty much no other class can do this... 

[Rayaleith 2]

On 12/26/2016 at 9:45 PM, Unclefucker said:

 

You are talking about level 60, right? I mean, considering you go to ret tree first, reaching Reckoning will take ages.

I'd like to know that too

[kindgokind 1]

Does Seal of Crusader work in the right way now? I knew that Seal of Command was bugged, but never noticed that Crusader is bugged also, damage doesn't become smaller with every hit. Am I mistaking?

[killerduki 54]

5 hours ago, kindgokind said:

Does Seal of Crusader work in the right way now? I knew that Seal of Command was bugged, but never noticed that Crusader is bugged also, damage doesn't become smaller with every hit. Am I mistaking?

Seal of Command is for the very first time in private servers history working 100% Blizzlike here in this server.

Seal of the Crusdaer is working 99% blizzlike.

It in fact doing same damage as normal swings , but difference is the faster swing.

p.s i know it should reduce the damage each swing starting from top down to lowest damage , but some stuffs will never be the same as blizzlike (no matter what server try to lie you).

/Kind regards Killerduki

[kindgokind 1]

1 час назад, killerduki сказал:

Seal of Command is for the very first time in private servers history working 100% Blizzlike here in this server.

It was bugged on Nost and now works? It's like I'm gonna need to respec a bit, lol. Thanks for this wonderful information!