Single target tanking

[zelvar 0]

Hello fellow paladins, which enchant and weapon do you recommend for single target tanking?

I was thinking maybe lifestealing/crusader and a fast weapon with SotC?

 

In vanilla i just used the mc spell blade and spell power enchant for everything, but maybe i should bring two wepons?

I would like to see some seal/enchant/weapon combinations
 

 

[killerduki 54]

Hello fellow paladins, which enchant and weapon do you recommend for single target tanking?

I was thinking maybe lifestealing/crusader and a fast weapon with SotC?

 

In vanilla i just used the mc spell blade and spell power enchant for everything, but maybe i should bring two wepons?

I would like to see some seal/enchant/weapon combinations

 

 

Your threats depend on the Holy/Spell Damage , not on White damage, Seal of the Crusade is very bad choice as Tank.

 

SoTC is doing White Damage which is extremely low threats and probably you will loose threats very easy.

 

Go for JoTC and SoR on 1 Target , use 1-2 Times Consecration when you pull is enough , Holy Shield if target hit hard  , JoR in case someone overaggro you as "taunt"  , Retribution Aura, Righteous Fury and Sanctuary will do the job.

 

You can use "Tanking" weapon in case you tank Mobs that die last or if you already built too much threats as Guarantee that you won't loose (less likely to happen) , use Spell Damage on your main Mob target to make lot of threats.

 

Spell Damage Enchant for Threats which is your main weakness as Paladin Tank , Crusader or Lifesteal for surviving (i personally recommend Crusader due to Block Value and some extra dmg for some amount of threats) .

 

p.s you need to make sure you use proper Spec if you want to properly tanking high level contents or raids .

 

/Kind regards Killerduki

Edited November 23, 2016 by killerduki

[zelvar 0]

Your threats depend on the Holy/Spell Damage , not on White damage, Seal of the Crusade is very bad choice as Tank.

 

SoTC is doing White Damage which is extremely low threats and probably you will loose threats very easy.

 

Go for JoTC and SoR on 1 Target , use 1-2 Times Consecration when you pull is enough , Holy Shield if target hit hard  , JoR in case someone overaggro you as "taunt"  , Retribution Aura, Righteous Fury and Sanctuary will do the job.

 

You can use "Tanking" weapon in case you tank Mobs that die last or if you already built too much threats as Guarantee that you won't loose (less likely to happen) , use Spell Damage on your main Mob target to make lot of threats.

 

Spell Damage Enchant for Threats which is your main weakness as Paladin Tank , Crusader or Lifesteal for surviving (i personally recommend Crusader due to Block Value and some extra dmg for some amount of threats) .

 

p.s you need to make sure you use proper Spec if you want to properly tanking high level contents or raids .

 

/Kind regards Killerduki

Thank you, so basically what i was doing in vanilla.

I used to start with max rank consc,  SoR and spam rank 1 holy shield and continue with spamming rank 1 consc then switch to SoW for mana.

Talking about dungeons, in raids I was healing.

Ofc i switch up the ranks when needed, but mostly it was ok doing it like that. 

Conscentration did an insane amount of threat.

[killerduki 54]

Thank you, so basically what i was doing in vanilla.

I used to start with max rank consc,  SoR and spam rank 1 holy shield and continue with spamming rank 1 consc then switch to SoW for mana.

Talking about dungeons, in raids I was healing.

Ofc i switch up the ranks when needed, but mostly it was ok doing it like that. 

Conscentration did an insane amount of threat.

 

That looks maybe okey way , as experienced Paladin Tank i recommend you always to use Max Rank, control over your Mana and don't spam spells .

 

Max Rank = less spamming and good control over threats using "KTM" , with that you will have lot pauses from casting spells that results in nice mana regeneration from Spirit

Low Rank = more spamming , less control , more headache , low threats and less mana regeneration from Spirit

 

for Single Target pull =  Judgement of the Crusader - Seal of Righteousness - 2 Times maximum Consecration (if fight is long time) - Holy Shield to prevent high hits max rank for most efficient threats - Retribution Aura - Righteous Fury - Blessing of Sanctuary = Enjoy your Coffee and Judge of Righteousness as "Taunt" .

 

for AoE = Seal of Wisdom + Judgement of wisdom - Retribution Aura - Blessing of Sanctuary - Righteous Fury - Maximum Rank Consecration Endless Spamming - Top 1 on DPS Meter

 

You can visit my Youtube Channel for more info and Video Tanking Dungeons https://www.youtube.com/user/killerduki as pure examples

 

/Kind regards Killerduki

Edited November 23, 2016 by killerduki

[TheFishyOne 9]

15 AGI on your Tank weapon will give you a bit of armor, as well as 0.75% more dodge that are both always on. Crusader is helluva expensive for what it gives a Tank (and does not benefit from Shield Spec or RF), and if Lifesteal is making the difference between a kill and a wipe, time to find a new healer.

[Undertanker 88]

100 STR from Crusader = 5 block value.   You block a lot as a pally that is AoE tanking 5 mans.   You'll typically use a slower 1H weapon than a prot warrior would use, so you'll get good up-time on it, though would be better for a world buffed Warrior tank to use if rage starved.

 

Lifestealing scales with SP at 43% of +SP.   Again, with using a slower weapon you'll get a good proc rate% while using your abilities and auto attacks.   The proc can also crit.    You are not using Lifestealing to stay alive, you are using it for more damage and threat.   I'd leave this enchant for Ret Pally, and Warrior tanks that are not rage starved.

 

30 SP will be your threat enchant for pally.

 

15 agility on a tank weapon for pally.

[Theloras 108]

Crusader is a $hit enchant for Paladins both Ret or Prot imho seeing as the proc rate for us is abysmal due to not having any instant attacks to help proc it - from my personal testing on Nost it really was that bad.

Edited November 24, 2016 by Theloras

[killerduki 54]

Crusader is a $hit enchant for Paladins both Ret or Prot imho seeing as the proc rate for us is abysmal due to not having any instant attacks to help proc it - from my personal testing on Nost it really was that bad.

 

If they fix SoR boosting our weapon procs stuffs will be different "IF"

 

/Kind regards Killerduki

[Trynux 0]

I dont see crusader or lifesteal beeing so bad in 5 - 10 man content. Crusader proc was what like 100 str so thats 200 AP and a heal, assuming that consecration is still stacking with AP, thats 200 AP that you can snap on your next consecration, the heal should give you a bit of threat as well (stacks with spell maybe?) and ofcourse as mention befor the addional 5 Blockvalue.
I didnt test lifesteal's proc rate so I cant say how well it works, but its overall value over the course of the whole Dungeon should be looked at.

I must disagree with the highest rank of Spell usage. While I was leveling my tankadin back at the Nostalrius, I tanked every dungeon 1-60 and all the lvl 60 one, except for UBRS, multiple times and I never had any issue with threat and I always used r1 Consecration and r1 Holy Shield. If they fix the AP skalling with Consecration you might have to use a higher rank of it, but I dont see any reason of using max rank Holy Shield. Not having to sit down and drink for mana can speed up your runs by a shitload.

[Undertanker 88]

Crusader isn't gonna proc off your spells, and like Duki said, SoR isn't proccing it atm, so only your auto attacks are gonna proc it.

 

1 PPM from auto-attack only.  You might see people advertise 2 PPM uptime, however that is when factoring in global cooldown/instant attacks.

 

If you use a 2.0 speed tank weapon it will average a 3.3% proc rate.  The heal doesn't scale with +healing/SP.

 

 

Average 1 proc in 60 seconds, 15 seconds is 25% uptime, averaging out to 50AP and isn't going to help on as manual pally abilities as +30 SP would.

 

Lifestealing is around 6 PPM, and does scale with 43% of your +SP.  With the same speed weapon from autoattacks you are looking at a 10% proc rate.  Not sure which abilities proc it for pally, you'll get more procs depending on the instants that work with it, and each attack will share that 10% proc rate.

Edited November 25, 2016 by Undertanker

[killerduki 54]

 but I dont see any reason of using max rank Holy Shield. Not having to sit down and drink for mana can speed up your runs by a shitload.

 

You can see my dungeons tanking where i always use max rank consecration and holy shield i never drink mana thus my threats and dps is always efficient and runs are always depend on the healer

 

https://www.youtube.com/user/killerduki

 

/Kind regards Killerduki

Edited November 25, 2016 by killerduki

[eXtence 0]

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[Theloras 108]

If they fix SoR boosting our weapon procs stuffs will be different "IF"

 

/Kind regards Killerduki

yes, if they fix it so that SoR will proc stuff then we can reevaluate crusader for Paladins

[killerduki 54]

yes, if they fix it so that SoR will proc stuff then we can reevaluate crusader for Paladins

 

Ironfoe too for Tanks will get strong prio on Pre Raid "IF" SoR get fixed.

 

/Kind regards Killerduki

[Theloras 108]

Ironfoe too for Tanks will get strong prio on Pre Raid "IF" SoR get fixed.

 

/Kind regards Killerduki

 

Ironfoe was also very good for 1hand SoR Ret as well

[killerduki 54]

Ironfoe was also very good for 1hand SoR Ret as well

 

In Feenix and Nost it had high proc chance , this will get reduced down to 5% confirmed from old sources.

 

/Kind regards Killerduki

[Undertanker 88]

yes, if they fix it so that SoR will proc stuff then we can reevaluate crusader for Paladins

 

Quel'Serrar uptime would go up as well if SoR is changed/fixed for when mitigation is needed over threat building. 

[simppi 3]

Can SoC also proc things the way SoR is supposed to?

[killerduki 54]

Can SoC also proc things the way SoR is supposed to?

 

It can proc even more things due to Critical Strikes and it's Judgement.

 

/Kind regards Killerduki

Edited November 28, 2016 by killerduki