simppi 3 Report post Posted December 15, 2016 CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
killerduki 54 Report post Posted December 15, 2016 posting screenshots from Feenix on Elysium-forum makes you like a fool. How can you even compare those servers. Also it seems like you joined a PUG, best envoirment to show your skills. I am sorry but Elysium have working Abilities for Paladins, Feenix our Abilities was not working. That's the 2 difference between those servers. Sorry to hurt your feelings, you are just Фекал person in my eyes that has no life. /Kind regards Killerduki 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smiter 9 Report post Posted December 15, 2016 http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/FightOverview.aspx?Raid=36769&Fight=4 Does this look like paladin dps that is "Subpar" to pure DD classes? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
killerduki 54 Report post Posted December 15, 2016 (edited) Does this look like paladin dps that is "Subpar" to pure DD classes? It's Coming ! Top 29th overall Classes DPS with broken Abilities in race with Full T3 BiS geared people using my semi Gear. /Kind regards Killerduki Edited December 15, 2016 by killerduki 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ravens 0 Report post Posted December 15, 2016 Now it's not great dps but I mean let's be honest here 'TOP' guilds means they're better than most. This means most are just average but will have no problem in MC/BWL etc. So joining most guilds and doing this kind of damage will be absolutely fine. Here's a video of some german guy with his guild on Nost https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRIDIPWPE9c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwneivRDpjA Of course no "top" end guild would want one but again most are just average and will still clear the content and will take you if you beat other dps. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Theloras 108 Report post Posted December 16, 2016 (edited) Now it's not great dps but I mean let's be honest here 'TOP' guilds means they're better than most. This means most are just average but will have no problem in MC/BWL etc. So joining most guilds and doing this kind of damage will be absolutely fine. Here's a video of some german guy with his guild on Nost https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRIDIPWPE9c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwneivRDpjA Of course no "top" end guild would want one but again most are just average and will still clear the content and will take you if you beat other dps. Optilasgar was average overall imho and could have done much better in those videos - Smiter blows him out of the water. Edited December 16, 2016 by Theloras 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kackspritz 0 Report post Posted December 16, 2016 Optilasgar was average overall imho and could have done much better in those videos - Smiter blows him out of the water. How? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Knife 2 Report post Posted December 16, 2016 http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/FightOverview.aspx?Raid=36769&Fight=4 Does this look like paladin dps that is "Subpar" to pure DD classes? Exploiting lifestealing scaling w/ SP doesnt make u good bro, and doing over 500 dps on a boss fight doesnt make a class viable... Taking a debuff slot on a boss fight just so u can compete with properly geared hunters is usually a no for a competent guild... However on topic no ret pala is not good in PvE, but you dont need to be good to raid on alliance side. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Theloras 108 Report post Posted December 16, 2016 Exploiting lifestealing scaling w/ SP doesnt make u good bro, and doing over 500 dps on a boss fight doesnt make a class viable... Taking a debuff slot on a boss fight just so u can compete with properly geared hunters is usually a no for a competent guild... However on topic no ret pala is not good in PvE, but you dont need to be good to raid on alliance side. wow, someone is really mad here... 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kackspritz 0 Report post Posted December 16, 2016 (edited) Exploiting lifestealing scaling w/ SP doesnt make u good bro, and doing over 500 dps on a boss fight doesnt make a class viable... Taking a debuff slot on a boss fight just so u can compete with properly geared hunters is usually a no for a competent guild... However on topic no ret pala is not good in PvE, but you dont need to be good to raid on alliance side. If doing enough dps to keep up with any other dps class doesnt make it viable, then what the вау does? And why is looking for ways to improve your dps (in this case Lifestealing with spell power) not an indicator for "skill"? Who gives a фекал how you do things as long as the results speak for thenselves?@Theloras you're not gonna explain how he could do more dps there? Edited December 16, 2016 by kackspritz 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
simppi 3 Report post Posted December 16, 2016 Exploiting lifestealing scaling w/ SP doesnt make u good bro, and doing over 500 dps on a boss fight doesnt make a class viable... Taking a debuff slot on a boss fight just so u can compete with properly geared hunters is usually a no for a competent guild... However on topic no ret pala is not good in PvE, but you dont need to be good to raid on alliance side. Lifestealing is supposed to scale with sp genuis. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kackspritz 0 Report post Posted December 16, 2016 Theloras won't reply after talking smack how the Ret in the videos could do more dps. Talking smack without backing it up is lame as вау. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Theloras 108 Report post Posted December 16, 2016 (edited) Theloras won't reply after talking smack how the Ret in the videos could do more dps. Talking smack without backing it up is lame as вау. lolwut? His DPS would have been much higher had he used Seal of the Crusader during phase 1 and 3 in order to boost Consecration damage. Satisfied? Plus he threw his Stratholme Holy Water on the pack of undead that had just been killed when he should have thrown it on the second pack. Edited December 16, 2016 by Theloras 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
killerduki 54 Report post Posted December 16, 2016 Lifestealing is supposed to scale with sp genuis. Yes , Haters going to hate . /Kind regards Killerduki 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Knife 2 Report post Posted December 16, 2016 (edited) Depends on which random sourceless comment on wiki/wowhead/allakhazam/etc u wanna take as "blizzlike", when i actually asked a GM on nost if they allow this kind of "use" of this enchant i was told not do it... However the scaling or not scaling of lifestealing with SP (which is debatable and doesnt FEEL blizzlike) isnt ur primary problem here... https://web.archive.org/web/20070320212301/http://www.thottbot.com/i16254 Changes in 1.9 The following will probably change in 1.9 Patch: The Lifestealing enchantment now does shadow damage rather than fire damage. Taken from: http://www.whataboutpp.com/ http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Patch_1.9.0 The Lifestealing enchantment now does shadow damage rather than fire damage. Rest of the stuff can be debated after the bugtracker is out, for now the cool question is can i use clearly broken lifestealing on my fang of venoxis or am i getting selectively banned for it. Edited December 16, 2016 by Knife 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
simppi 3 Report post Posted December 16, 2016 Depends on which random sourceless comment on wiki/wowhead/allakhazam/etc u wanna take as "blizzlike", when i actually asked a GM on nost if they allow this kind of "use" of this enchant i was told not do it... However the scaling or not scaling of lifestealing with SP (which is debatable and doesnt FEEL blizzlike) isnt ur primary problem here... https://web.archive.org/web/20070320212301/http://www.thottbot.com/i16254 http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Patch_1.9.0 Rest of the stuff can be debated after the bugtracker is out, for now the cool question is can i use clearly broken lifestealing on my fang of venoxis or am i getting selectively banned for it. https://vanilla-twinhead.twinstar.cz/?issue=3193 Definite proof it should scale with 100% SP. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
killerduki 54 Report post Posted December 16, 2016 (edited) http://www.wowhead.com/item=21856/neretzek-the-blood-drinker#comments Skelic on 2008/08/14 (Patch 2.4.3) This weapon is SUPERB, because it scales 200% with spelldamage! (meaning with 500 spell power it absorbs 641 to 663) http://web.archive.org/web/20070602102452/http://thottbot.com/i21856 by minerenginer, 1.0 year ago The proc is affected by +Spell damage gear iv seen it proc for 375 with my gear on. Just to keep some evidence up , nothing else. Credits goes to poster that brought them. /Kind regards Killerduki Edited December 16, 2016 by killerduki 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kackspritz 0 Report post Posted December 16, 2016 (edited) https://vanilla-twinhead.twinstar.cz/?issue=3193 Definite proof it should scale with 100% SP. "The lifestealing enchant and others that have on average 6 ppm means that it will not receive any bonus from spellpower." Would love source/proof on this though. Edited December 16, 2016 by kackspritz 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
simppi 3 Report post Posted December 16, 2016 "The lifestealing enchant and others that have on average 6 ppm means that it will not receive any bonus from spellpower." Would love source/proof on this though. Yea it would be good with source/proof of ur counter argument, or it holds 0 value. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kackspritz 0 Report post Posted December 16, 2016 (edited) Yea it would be good with source/proof of ur counter argument, or it holds 0 value. Your and killerdukis "proof" holds 0 value to begin with. Lifestealing enchant proc ≠ Lifestealing weapon proc. http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=16254#wh-comments By Nibbly on 02/28/2008 (Patch 2.3.3) This effect *does not scale* with spell damage/heal equipment. In my healing gear, at L70, it still hits for just 20 damage (it scales down from 30 to 20 damage from L60 to L70). Assuming TBC didn't change anything with Lifestealing. Edited December 16, 2016 by kackspritz 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
killerduki 54 Report post Posted December 17, 2016 (edited) Your and killerdukis "proof" holds 0 value to begin with. Lifestealing enchant proc ≠ Lifestealing weapon proc. What did you said about my which proofs? And what did i actually tried to proof? /Kind regards Killerduki Edited December 17, 2016 by killerduki 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kackspritz 0 Report post Posted December 17, 2016 People were talking about potential Lifestealing enchant bug abuse and then you come in with this: http://www.wowhead.com/item=21856/neretzek-the-blood-drinker#comments Skelic on 2008/08/14 (Patch 2.4.3) This weapon is SUPERB, because it scales 200% with spelldamage! (meaning with 500 spell power it absorbs 641 to 663) http://web.archive.org/web/20070602102452/http://thottbot.com/i21856 by minerenginer, 1.0 year ago The proc is affected by +Spell damage gear iv seen it proc for 375 with my gear on. Just to keep some evidence up , nothing else. Credits goes to poster that brought them. /Kind regards Killerduki What is this about then? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
killerduki 54 Report post Posted December 17, 2016 (edited) People were talking about potential Lifestealing enchant bug abuse and then you come in with this: What is this about then? Just to keep some evidence up , nothing else. Credits goes to poster that brought them. Are you stupid? What did i wrote there and where the вау i mention lifestealing there? /Kind regards Killerduki Edited December 17, 2016 by killerduki 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
simppi 3 Report post Posted December 17, 2016 (edited) Your and killerdukis "proof" holds 0 value to begin with. Lifestealing enchant proc ≠ Lifestealing weapon proc. http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=16254#wh-comments By Nibbly on 02/28/2008 (Patch 2.3.3) This effect *does not scale* with spell damage/heal equipment. In my healing gear, at L70, it still hits for just 20 damage (it scales down from 30 to 20 damage from L60 to L70). Assuming TBC didn't change anything with Lifestealing. "All item based self heals will no longer be effected by equipment that provides bonuses to healing. This change affects both the Arcanite Champion and the Crusader Enchantment." http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Patch_1.7.0 Your "proof" was about healing gear, not the spell damage. And we know that the damage from items can be increased (see my proof). Edited December 17, 2016 by simppi 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elviss 5 Report post Posted December 17, 2016 It's possible with dedication and a thick skin - you need to be up to the challenge of farming mats/gold for consumables and come prepared to every raid. Keep track of one of the top raiding Ret Paladins playing - Smiter - he took my playstyle/rotation and perfected it both here and on Vanilla Gaming where he and I played the past few months: http://realmplayers.com/CharacterViewer.aspx?realm=NRB&player=Smiter http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/PlayerOverview.aspx?realm=NRB&player=Smiter http://realmplayers.com/CharacterViewer.aspx?realm=VG&player=Smiterr http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/PlayerOverview.aspx?realm=VG&player=Smiterr Are we seriously talking about Vanilla Gaming? That's one of the worst p-servers, and best part is that they haven't changed over years. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
