Disable VPN connections to server...

[noob257 36]

44 minutes ago, Faith said:

German Gold Farmers

A longterm unemployed person in germany gets about 400 euros + rent per month.

Even collecting deposit bottles would be more lucrative here.

Of course there are gold sellers in rich countries who use bots for gold farming or sell stuff from hacked accounts, but not the "classic" gold farmer who doesn't do anything wrong or detectable until he sells his stuff.

[Worldstar 36]

8 minutes ago, noob257 said:

A longterm unemployed person in germany gets about 400 euros + rent per month.

Even collecting deposit bottles would be more lucrative here.

Of course there are gold sellers in rich countries who use bots for gold farming or sell stuff from hacked accounts, but not the "classic" gold farmer who doesn't do anything wrong or detectable until he sells his stuff.

This.

 

The guys whispering you aren't German gold farmers XD

[Faith 5]

31 minutes ago, Worldstar said:

This seriously.

 

At the least we could ban VPN usage on the new server. The chinese and everyone can still play on the old servers, but make it so we'll have a server that isn't destroyed by them.

 

Do you mean destroyed because people are ACTUALLY buying gold because just the nuisance of the posts can be managed easily. 

[Stygian 4]

Rampant gold farmers = gold inflation and ridiculously cheap prices. People would be WAY less inclined if gold wasn't dirt cheap.

[Worldstar 36]

Bump

[cybaster 31]

I am absolutely in favor of select VPN bans that target gold farming.

To those of you who tell us we should be afraid of DDOSes, well, you're telling us to get our pants down around our ankles or we might get hurt for resisting.  I find that disgusting.  I'm more than happy to have a few cumulative weeks of downtime to take out the garbage.

[Ram 11]

11 hours ago, noob257 said:

A longterm unemployed person in germany gets about 400 euros + rent per month.

Even collecting deposit bottles would be more lucrative here.

Of course there are gold sellers in rich countries who use bots for gold farming or sell stuff from hacked accounts, but not the "classic" gold farmer who doesn't do anything wrong or detectable until he sells his stuff.

Thanks, now the chinese will come to Germany instead of mocking innocents in a private Server!

[IGetYouGood 1]

19 hours ago, OrpheusXx said:

The hacks happened too fast, and on mass.. so they have some kind of database in their hands, just as Plask said.

There is open databases all over the world wide web noob so ofc they have, but that dosen't make it so they can hack other accounts, if they had changed pw to something new.. 

[gabrielesani 0]

I think it would be very stupid to ban VPNs. Imagine if your country become the one where most gold sellers are and all of a sudden they decide to block all connections incoming from there: I'm sure you wouldn't be happy. It's not by blocking that you resolve the problem: if, like they are doing, you ban a lot of people buying gold (because everyone is pissed to Chinese gold farmer, but the real bad people are the one who buy gold) then everyone will be too afraid to buy it -> problem solved.

[noob257 36]

2 hours ago, Ram said:

Thanks, now the chinese will come to Germany instead of mocking innocents in a private Server!

I just woke up and feel sick, but this comment made me laugh. Thanks! :D

 

[Syanis 2]

How will banning VPNs really do anything to stop those who have their accounts hacked from being hacked or falsely claiming it was hacked?

 

Further how about all the players who use VPN's because of latency and horrible routing from retarded ISP's. No VPNs would mean no WTFast, no BattlePing, no PingZapper, and no VyperVpn that many gamers use all around the world. Its self centered idiots who don't see how things may be needed by others to play such as VPNs because they personally don't need them who should be banned.

[gabrielesani 0]

23 minutes ago, Syanis said:

How will banning VPNs really do anything to stop those who have their accounts hacked from being hacked or falsely claiming it was hacked?

 

Further how about all the players who use VPN's because of latency and horrible routing from retarded ISP's. No VPNs would mean no WTFast, no BattlePing, no PingZapper, and no VyperVpn that many gamers use all around the world. Its self centered idiots who don't see how things may be needed by others to play such as VPNs because they personally don't need them who should be banned.

Completely agree. People don't care about VPN getting banned simply because they are not using them

[Heymom 1]

Why do people access the server via VPN anyway? to me thats shady to begin with. Dont know about country restrictions that require you to use VPN or not, but to me it seems perfectly legit to disable VPN access to the servers.
Sure we might lose some countries that cant access due to regulations and what not. But at least we will get rid of hackers etc?

/flame on..

[gabrielesani 0]

15 minutes ago, Heymom said:

Why do people access the server via VPN anyway? to me thats shady to begin with. Dont know about country restrictions that require you to use VPN or not, but to me it seems perfectly legit to disable VPN access to the servers.
Sure we might lose some countries that cant access due to regulations and what not. But at least we will get rid of hackers etc?

/flame on..

For a lot of people is to have better ping. There are a lot of service that increase your ping connecting you through a VPN. It's not something shady/illegal, it's something you can use also to improve your performance. And I disagree with the second point: I'm sure is not a problem for you because you are not one of "some countries" 

[Shiamorah 20]

1 minute ago, gabrielesani said:

For a lot of people is to have better ping. There are a lot of service that increase your ping connecting you through a VPN. It's not something shady/illegal, it's something you can use also to improve your performance. And I disagree with the second point: I'm sure is not a problem for you because you are not one of "some countries" 

http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2576509/reduce-latency-ping-vpn-game-servers-location.html

Verify by a simple Google, VPN services do not improve ping, even though they can appear to. Ping that exists because of distance can never be alleviated besides switching ISPs.

My girlfriend has a VPN. Here is her direct quote on what a VPN is used for: "A mask to keep me harder to catch when I do illegal shit online :)'

[Heymom 1]

1 minute ago, gabrielesani said:

For a lot of people is to have better ping. There are a lot of service that increase your ping connecting you through a VPN. It's not something shady/illegal, it's something you can use also to improve your performance. And I disagree with the second point: I'm sure is not a problem for you because you are not one of "some countries" 

I don't know what Elysiums policy is.. but if i choice to play on a NA server, i would also accept that my ping/latency would possibly suffer.. So if countries outside EU decides to play on a EU server, well.. they also accept the ping/latency results that comes with it.. Sound fair to me.
Especially in the light of how effective it would be against gold sellers that i bet the majority of comes from countries outside EU.. if not all of them.

But i am sure whatever we disagree or agree on, Elysium will be the ones deciding how they want to handle it.

[Heymom 1]

1 minute ago, Shiamorah said:

http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2576509/reduce-latency-ping-vpn-game-servers-location.html

Verify by a simple Google, VPN services do not improve ping, even though they can appear to. Ping that exists because of distance can never be alleviated besides switching ISPs.

My girlfriend has a VPN. Here is her direct quote on what a VPN is used for: "A mask to keep me harder to catch when I do illegal shit online :)'

Exactly.

[Zargoth 3]

"For a lot of people ... "

Shouldn't this be "For some people ..." ?

Let's face it, only a small percentage of the connections to these servers is via VPN and of these I'm willing to bet over half of them are gold sellers and other nefarious characters. What it comes down to: do you want a small percentage of the population annoyed or do you want to continue to have everybody annoyed.

 

 

[Shiamorah 20]

In my opinion, if any staff are watching this thread, just survey population statistics, find out a relative sample ratio of players using VPNs vs players that are banned, and go from there. 

[Macstabbin 0]

I can guarantee that more of the banned users are the ones that are buying the gold, because they are ваууing idiots who think that they can get ahead by buying gold.  Also, there was a statement above about VPN's not improving ping, well, I can tell you that I also play on the live servers and my ping is 1500-1600, using Great Wall internet here in China, and it is practically unplayable, however on a VPN I receive 300-400 MS ping, and it becomes playable.  This is just my firsthand experience with it.. 

[Holkan 13]

12 minutes ago, Shiamorah said:

http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2576509/reduce-latency-ping-vpn-game-servers-location.html

Verify by a simple Google, VPN services do not improve ping, even though they can appear to. Ping that exists because of distance can never be alleviated besides switching ISPs.

My girlfriend has a VPN. Here is her direct quote on what a VPN is used for: "A mask to keep me harder to catch when I do illegal shit online :)'

Well thats not exactly true as stated in the same forum post you linked. Albiet rarer and doesn't apply to that many people if your isp takes an inefficient route or a hop is heavily congested you can greatly lower latency through proxies. You aren't ever going to go from 170 ping to 20 ping from the west coast of USA, but if either of those things are happening you could easily go from 250 to 170.

All that being said I still think vpn's should be disabled for the server and they should do what kronos does and that is make people apply for exceptions to connect through a vpn. This will cripple the gold market immensely more then anything else they can possibly do and it will make ban evasion for people using cheats much harder. Some people can unplug their modem for a few hours and get a new IP. For some peoples isp's it takes days of an unplugged modem to change their IP. This way you get rid of a lot of gold farmers and ip bans for cheaters become a lot more effective. If i was someone who played through a vpn for whatever reason I would be more then happy to go through a process to use it if it meant greatly decreasing gold selling and making punishments for cheaters actually mean something.

[Shiamorah 20]

7 minutes ago, Macstabbin said:

I can guarantee that more of the banned users are the ones that are buying the gold, because they are ваууing idiots who think that they can get ahead by buying gold.  Also, there was a statement above about VPN's not improving ping, well, I can tell you that I also play on the live servers and my ping is 1500-1600, using Great Wall internet here in China, and it is practically unplayable, however on a VPN I receive 300-400 MS ping, and it becomes playable.  This is just my firsthand experience with it.. 

I can understand where you are coming from, but it is an illusion. A VPN will place your virtual location closer to the server location, which will definitely lower your MS... Except that you forget about the MS required to connect to that VPN. The ping doesn't change. Consider this- You have the distance of a mile from where you are to the location you are connecting to. You have a VPN that is located in the middle. With the VPN on, the distance is lowered by half. But, in reality, I would not be accounting for the half of the distance that it takes for me to connect to the VPN.

 

This is why it seems like your ping is lowering, but all that is happening is you are dedicating more of your ping to connecting to the VPN. There are some cases that the VPN might provide a better connection than your own internet... But that is such an extremely rare case. (Regarding how Internet connections could possibly have less hops using a VPN...)

Edited January 4, 2017 by Shiamorah

[Macstabbin 0]

Yes Shiamorah, I assume this is my rare case, because if you would like, I can video tape playing WoW without a vpn, versus playing with a vpn, and you will see the difference in being able to hit a mob versus not hitting a mob for 10 seconds while its hitting you :)

[Holkan 13]

8 minutes ago, Shiamorah said:

I can understand where you are coming from, but it is an illusion. A VPN will place your virtual location closer to the server location, which will definitely lower your MS... Except that you forget about the MS required to connect to that VPN. The ping doesn't change. Consider this- You have the distance of a mile from where you are to the location you are connecting to. You have a VPN that is located in the middle. With the VPN on, the distance is lowered by half. But, in reality, I would not be accounting for the half of the distance that it takes for me to connect to the VPN.

 

This is why it seems like your ping is lowering, but all that is happening is you are dedicating more of your ping to connecting to the VPN. There are some cases that the VPN might provide a better connection than your own internet... But that is such an extremely rare case.

Distance isn't whats affected when you connect to a VPN. What can be affected that helps people with VPN's is the route your connection takes to the server. If a hop along the route is greatly congested or your isp takes an inefficient route to the server it can help immensely. This doesn't apply to everyone, but there are people it does help.

And if it worked how you said when you connect to a VPN right next to the server like say france for elysium and you lived in the USA you'd have sub 50 ping displayed according to your explanation as the proxy would be right next to the actual server. But you don't have that low of ping because thats not how it works.

Also when choosing a proxy you don't choose one closet to the server you want better ping to you choose the proxy closet to your physical location. If you choose the proxy closet to the server your ping will greatly increase. VPNs are useful for lowering ping if your ISP's route has heavy traffic or takes an inefficient route this doesn't apply too many but you make it sound like it does nothing and that a vpn falsely shows your ping as lower.

Edited January 4, 2017 by Holkan

[Shiamorah 20]

3 minutes ago, Holkan said:

Distance isn't whats affected when you connect to a VPN. What can be affected that helps people with VPN's is the route your connection takes to the server. If a hop along the route is greatly congested or your isp takes an inefficient route to the server it can help immensely. This doesn't apply to everyone, but there are people it does help.

And if it worked how you said when you connect to a VPN right next to the server like say france for elysium and you lived in the USA you'd have sub 50 ping displayed according to your explanation as the proxy would be right next to the actual server. But you don't have that low of ping because thats not how it works.

Mmmm, I don't know why you think there is no difference in ping when you have to connect from your ISP to a VPN that is located across the world, but ok...