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1 hour ago, Wirt said:

They're basically giving us all the finger and want all WoW "pirate" servers to shut down. All this because they have some ambitions with Blizzard. Yeah, Blizzard, the very company that ruined the game in the first place.

They all got horny expecting paid positions within a Legacy servers' team at Blizzard. Had they been put pressure on they wouldn't release their data and certainly not announcing it to everybody.

They could've transferred their data without reach by Blizzard's radars, thus sparing themselves from further prosecution.

Blizzard indeed followed the "casual gameplay" path and is certainly rewardful as you can see Overwatch and HoTS being quite sucessful. On the other hand is a shame our beloved WoW's atmosphere couldn't hold for much longer and that they care more about expansion sellings rather than founders -the ones who made them pretty much what they are today-.

Now talking about Nost, I believe there are two scenarios for this and we may not point fingers and judge without proper knowledge about what happened on background. People are spitting upon the plate they've all been eating for quite some time... Yeah perhaps Nost team sold their "good will" to Blizzard but they may also had no exit thus closing the server and managing this hype. The porpuse still remain "Nostalrius handed us the torch, we have no intention of putting it out". So basically, whatever they purpose was, they gave us another option to keep fighting before withdrawning themselves.

Unfortunately all we can do is hope for the best and work towards a stronger community, spread the word and by no means defame Nost for what they did because it's not upon us to judge, as they have did a good job so far.

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5 minutes ago, Orocnogu said:

I'd avoid arguing with that particular person, not only he has an ironclad opinion about Elysium being bad guys for some reason, but also his dedication to share said opinion, extensively, on the slightest possibility, is admirable >.<

I was just warned by several other people about the same thing.  Thanks mate, I'll avoid it in the future. <3

Edited by potatocurry

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46 minutes ago, potatocurry said:

Again, I said that I AVOIDED Nost because everybody seemed very far up their own bumbums.  It seems a bit different here, the people are nicer, and they convinced me to try it.  And heck, I actually like it. 

 

You know you don't have to despise something to avoid trying it, yeah?  I didn't like it before so I avoided it, and now I'm enjoying myself despite the past.  I'm sorry that for whatever reason triggers you so very badly.

Fair enough. I respect the fact that most rely on their emotions when making decisions. I'm also playing on their servers despite what I know. However I've taken into consideration that the servers may be shut down at any moment.

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1 hour ago, Damodred said:

Blizzard indeed followed the "casual gameplay" path and is certainly rewardful as you can see Overwatch and HoTS being quite sucessful. On the other hand is a shame our beloved WoW's atmosphere couldn't hold for much longer and that they care more about expansion sellings rather than founders -the ones who made them pretty much what they are today-.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say. I said Blizzard ruined WoW and you come up with this. I agree that Blizzard is very successful at attracting hordes of players from all corners. It strayed away from the more niché kind of company it once was. The evolution (degeneration) from Diablo 1 to Diablo 2 to Diablo 3 and the evolution within World of Warcraft speak for themselves.

1 hour ago, Damodred said:

Now talking about Nost, I believe there are two scenarios for this and we may not point fingers and judge without proper knowledge about what happened on background. People are spitting upon the plate they've all been eating for quite some time... Yeah perhaps Nost team sold their "good will" to Blizzard but they may also had no exit thus closing the server and managing this hype. The porpuse still remain "Nostalrius handed us the torch, we have no intention of putting it out". So basically, whatever they purpose was, they gave us another option to keep fighting before withdrawning themselves.

Unfortunately all we can do is hope for the best and work towards a stronger community, spread the word and by no means defame Nost for what they did because it's not upon us to judge, as they have did a good job so far.

In their announcement Nostalrius is basically saying they want Elysium to shut down their servers:

"The following values that have always been at the heart of any of our actions:

Achieving official Blizzard Legacy servers"

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"Contrary to our expectations, our decision to release our source code and character database to Elysium actually made our 2 goals harder to achieve"

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"We ask Elysium to join this effort for Legacy realms by stopping to use data that we provided."

and

"Nostalrius community is no longer about private servers, it is about official legacy realms."

Based on this, if you can't judge that they did a bad job, how can you judge they did a good job so far?

Edited by Wirt
+1 quote from Nostalrius' announcement

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Whats heppening i cant log in is the server shutting down?

disconected from the server pops up when i try to log in

when can we play again?

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15 minutes ago, Damodred said:

Now talking about Nost, I believe there are two scenarios for this and we may not point fingers and judge without proper knowledge about what happened on background. People are spitting upon the plate they've all been eating for quite some time...

There are some over generalizations in this statement.  

First, you're generalizing people being critical with spitting (disrespectful).  Yes, some people have over reacted but the majority simply disagree with the latest announcement from Nost.  It's okay to disagree and be critical.

Second, you're saying that people are spiting upon the plate they've been eating upon.  Not true since the situation has changed a few times and thus it's not the same plate.  Nost running a private server is different from the Nost after the C&D letter which is different from the Nost that passed the torch to Elysium which is different from the Nost per the latest announcement.

I believe Nost has been a huge positive for the legacy community up until the last three weeks.  Taking the token generator offline after two weeks, with no communication for three weeks, and then posting they want the torch back from Elysium is a massive negative and does nothing but hurt the legacy community.  Their actions could have hurt the legacy community more than anything Blizzard, or their DDOS'ing fanboys, could have done.  Hell they indirectly called us pirates.  Sadly, they've hurt their own team who helped carry the torch over to Elysium and then stayed to help.  I support those that have stayed even after this announcement.

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8 minutes ago, Slack said:

I believe Nost has been a huge positive for the legacy community up until the last three weeks.  Taking the token generator offline after two weeks, with no communication for three weeks, and then posting they want the torch back from Elysium is a massive negative and does nothing but hurt the legacy community.  Their actions could have hurt the legacy community more than anything Blizzard, or their DDOS'ing fanboys, could have done.  Hell they indirectly called us pirates.

Yes, Nostalrius could very well be shutting down the road for vanilla servers altogether.

8 minutes ago, Slack said:

Sadly, they've hurt their own team who helped carry the torch over to Elysium and then stayed to help.  I support those that have stayed even after this announcement.

I wouldn't be so sure on that Elysium didn't have a say on this. After all there's a leaked letter, total submission and a disrespectful refusal to condone Nostalrius' actions towards us.

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One question then I wont say anything else. 

Will Nost attack Elysium and try to bring them down? And will Blizzard attempt to bring down the servers as well? This SUCKS! We just wanna play Vanilla, why the fuck should Blizzard care? 

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I've read the Nost announcement several times and it's pretty masterful in what it fails to discuss. The only hard assertion is this:

> Today, only 10% of the former Nostalrius players have generated a token to join Elysium, and we believe that we failed to satisfy this community entirely, as at the same time legacy fans acquired a reputation of “pirates” on the official WoW community.<

Well, what a shock! You wreck the token generator and then you complain that folks don't transfer. What a load of crap. As for "reputation", since when was that important? Since you started cuddling up to Blizzard? Do me a favor and hold your breath while you see how long it takes for Blizzard to grant you permission to have an official Vanilla server.

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5 hours ago, Plirig said:

In short, This

 

Nost came out asking Elysium to stop using Nost's stuff and Elysium responded with the first post in this thread.

So Nost is separating from Elysium?

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Just now, Orcasm said:

So Nost is separating from Elysium?

From Private Servers in General I guess. I don't claim to be an expert, but that's at least what I've gotten out of it all.

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7 hours ago, Slack said:

First, you're generalizing people being critical with spitting (disrespectful).  Yes, some people have over reacted but the majority simply disagree with the latest announcement from Nost.  It's okay to disagree and be critical.

I agree with you, perhaps I was too harsh on my words. I appologize to all those who felt unjusticed and were just looking for critical thoughts.

 

7 hours ago, Slack said:

Hell they indirectly called us pirates.

More than anyone they shared passion towards Legacy community and worked for it, even tried to came up with official servers -what if they wanted jobs aswell?-. But now since Blizzard has been pressuring them legaly and even tho they shared their core and data, that was something to think about it. They probably knew this situation would come, they could predict what Blizz was going to do and then wrote a proper statment to get their asses out the scene while Elysium keeps their core -with different name- and all the population.

Bringing vanilla back  is just a hobby and when your family, your money even your freedom gets threatened by a hobby, you must do something.

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For those interested in knowing key events that took place since Nostalrius shut down their servers up until today, I made this list for reference:

10 April 2016: Nostalrius shuts down its servers, supposedly because of a threat letter by Blizzard. https://en.nostalrius.org/#announcement

26 April 2016: Blizzard responds on vanilla servers by saying the very best we could get would be "pristine" realms. https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20743584206?page=1

26 April 2016: Mark Kern, former teamlead of vanilla WoW, offers Nostalrius his support for vanilla servers by Blizzard. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60CXk503QsQ

~27 May 2016: Mark Kern meets with Blizzard's CEO, Michael Morhaime. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vS4g2rkZwLI

3 June 2016: Nostalrius' staff travels to the USA for a meeting with Blizzard. https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=44218

10 September 2016: Nostalrius starts a T-shirt campaign. https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=44371

24 October 2016: Another T-shirt campaign by Nostalrius. https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=44449

24 October 2016: Blizzard lets us know they won't address vanilla servers during Blizzcon. Blizzcon took place from 26 October to 5 November. https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20749678358

6 November 2016: Nostalrius announces that they're releasing their data to Elysium as to keep the community together. They're planning on releasing the data to the public at a later stage. https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=44550

17 december 2016: Elysium starts up servers Nostalrius PvP/PvE. https://forum.elysium-project.org/topic/23775-legacy-returns-official-release-date/

6 January 2017: A key Nostalrius/Elysium core team member, Nano, leaves the scenery. https://www.reddit.com/r/ElysiumProject/comments/5mekte/nanos_retirement/

7 January 2017: Elysium starts up server Elysium PvP. https://forum.elysium-project.org/topic/27417-elysium-pvp-realm-official-release-date/

13 January 2017: Elysium starts up server Zeth'Kur PvP. https://forum.elysium-project.org/topic/32204-zethkur-pvp-realm-official-release-date/

14 January 2017: Nostalrius demands Elysium to stop using the data they were provided. Nostalrius says it no longer stands for private servers but for official Blizzard legacy realms. https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=45489

14 January 2017: Elysium responds to Nostalrius saying they will delete, discontinue the use of and deny future Nostalrius data. https://forum.elysium-project.org/topic/32701-our-official-response-to-nostalrius-—-elysium-will-prevail/

17 January 2017: Elysium is severely hacked, causing major downtime. They hire the villain hacker to help them withstand future attacks. https://forum.elysium-project.org/topic/33369-explanation-for-20170117-downtime/

In case there's something erroneous with the list or I missed anything feel free to contribute and I'll edit my post.

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On 1/18/2017 at 1:09 AM, Damodred said:

More than anyone they shared passion towards Legacy community and worked for it, even tried to came up with official servers -what if they wanted jobs aswell?-. But now since Blizzard has been pressuring them legaly and even tho they shared their core and data, that was something to think about it. They probably knew this situation would come, they could predict what Blizz was going to do and then wrote a proper statment to get their asses out the scene while Elysium keeps their core -with different name- and all the population.

Bringing vanilla back  is just a hobby and when your family, your money even your freedom gets threatened by a hobby, you must do something

What he said. Pretty obvious imho.

At the end of the day, either unsung heroes or blizzard pawns, we're all just SPECULATING

It's so easy to automatically assume the worst of someone, don't you think after all they've done, they deserve the benefit of the doubt?

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Nice list Wirt. Back at the time of Nost shutdown,  i didnt even hear about Nostralius.  But then,  being a retail Vanilla player myself,  the least I could do is quit retail and create a toon on a private server... 

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В 17.01.2017 в 22:17, blooper сказал:

One question then I wont say anything else. 

Will Nost attack Elysium and try to bring them down? And will Blizzard attempt to bring down the servers as well? This SUCKS! We just wanna play Vanilla, why the fuck should Blizzard care? 

Cuz u no play Legion.

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