Are the admins looking into the Rag kill?

[Klan 3]

It seems like there's a lot fishy about it.

• The raid kicked someone for streaming it, indicating that there was something to hide
• there were several people under level 59 in the raid, which is unheard of for a blizzlike instance in retail
• Ragnaros was killed before the horde even cleared *LBRS*
• It seems impossible that someone would have enough reputation with the appropriate faction to douse all the runes. Even if they farmed the rep in Silithus, that isn't blizzlike if we're going by rolling content (that stuff didn't exist until 1.9)

Ragnaros has been bugged and abused and players have cheated to kill him on many servers. This is almost a rule on vanilla private servers. Admins need to look into it.

[Cynysi 0]

Here's a link to the entire, unedited run from a tank's PoV. If you find any exploiting in there then make sure to point it out.

Horde not clearing LBRS before alliance players downed Ragnaros does not in itself warrant administrative action.

And the rep not being blizzlike is on the dev team, not the players. It was the same thing when the PvE realm launched.

 

[Bluntski 13]

The fight is seriously undertuned and broken if ytou watch the video. There are hunters that take ZERO damage the whole encounter. Fight needs to be fixed.

[Knetik 2]

Rag was broken on all servers, nothing new. Here some quotes that point the problems out....not shilling crestfall but...

 

http://imgur.com/a/GB53P

Edited January 19, 2017 by Knetik

[Imbaslap 14]

7 hours ago, Corrozus said:

Here's a link to the entire, unedited run from a tank's PoV. If you find any exploiting in there then make sure to point it out.

Horde not clearing LBRS before alliance players downed Ragnaros does not in itself warrant administrative action.

And the rep not being blizzlike is on the dev team, not the players. It was the same thing when the PvE realm launched.

 

http://imgur.com/a/pTC9n

nice double soul stone bug, but throughout the video, the tank was getting white melee hit for 500-1000. (which is wrong) no crushing/critical blows due to the lack of defense gear on the tank in FR. 

also the tank in the clip never used shield block? no idea why since that would make him susceptible to crushing blows more often which should be 6k total fire damage melee hits then mitigated by the FR on the resist roll.

rag didnt have any damage reduction debuffs on him at all either.

 perfect example of a Grizzly tank basically getting smoked with a PWS on with better gear than the tanks in that raid. 

crushing blows + crits should be very common for any tank who ignores the basic melee table rules of bosses, even if the bosses melee damage is fire(armor doesn't do anything, Fire resist takes place for Armor essentially)

500 melee white hits doesnt even add up with a 75% partial on a 4k fire melee hit no matter how much you try to spin it.

lets not discuss the same issue that nost had back then with lava eruption not even occuring much at all.

4k *75% does not equal 500 melee white hits. also the lack of Shield Blocks used and little incoming crits/crushes begs a bigger question.

 

the evidence is pretty clear in the videos posted. that rag hit like a wet noodle.

Grizzly had to chain Shield Walls to kill old Nost's rag back then. these tanks didnt know what Shield wall was (no offense).

i'm sure if Grizzly killed rag first, everyone would be pitchfork raving about how they exploited a broken boss again. 

also care to explain why a cat was not damaged for over 20s when rag was trying to melee it? 

here is the snapshot: 

1362/3990 hp... not even touched for a long period of time.. also when did pets become crush immune? cats cant even touch the FR to the warrior tanks. 6:45:09-6:45:27 the cat was tanking rag with 0 damage taken and rag sitting there like a derp with his thumb up his butt.

again cat tanking rag from  6:10:19 - 6:10:34 cat had 380/3304 hp. (spot seems by melee area) 

same bug back when grizzly first killed it on Nost where he just cycles through multiple players trying to cast the 1 shot ranged mechanic when noone is in melee range. (also known as the DDR dance he does)

 

looking forward to a conclusion on this rag kill. good luck with those pet strats. :)

#catgate

Edited January 20, 2017 by Imbaslap

[Xethra 6]

It's a relatively known thing on Nostalrius that you could tank Ragnaros with pets when the tanks weren't in melee. Or at least known by top guilds. So I assume that transitioned over to this server.

Edited January 20, 2017 by Xethra

[Paltos 7]

Glad I bought some new tinfoil this afternoon. Time to start making some hats!

[Knife 2]

a) if you think u need to spam shieldblock on ragnaros thats because u "cant game mechanics"

b) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br1hXGXJ7Tg Retail ragnaros.. much harder than here i reckon

c) if you think  u need to be defcaped and FR caped to do rag see a)

d) if you think a) is wrong post a source and when u cant thats because see: a)

[Paltos 7]

9 minutes ago, Knife said:

a) if you think u need to spam shieldblock on ragnaros thats because u "cant game mechanics"

b) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br1hXGXJ7Tg Retail ragnaros.. much harder than here i reckon

c) if you think  u need to be defcaped and FR caped to do rag see a)

d) if you think a) is wrong post a source and when u cant thats because see: a)

I have no idea what you said but you seem like an incredibly knowledgeable person and you tried really hard to be edgy so I am obliged to agree.

[Imbaslap 14]

7 hours ago, Knife said:

a) if you think u need to spam shieldblock on ragnaros thats because u "cant game mechanics"

b) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br1hXGXJ7Tg Retail ragnaros.. much harder than here i reckon

c) if you think  u need to be defcaped and FR caped to do rag see a)

d) if you think a) is wrong post a source and when u cant thats because see: a)

Why bother with shield block when a pet can tank rag. 

Learn game mechanics first before posting. Thanks.

[Xena 2]

That Ragnaros can even be summoned is kinda the whole damn problem here. How did they get honored so fast to douse runes for Majordomo? I never saw any whole raid of these guilds farming in silithus prior to this raid.

Heres a link even that you DO need honored first and after comes the quest to get the hands and only then do you get the quintessence: http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Quest:Agent_of_Hydraxis

 

[Ironsides 35]

10 minutes ago, Xena said:

That Ragnaros can even be summoned is kinda the whole damn problem here. How did they get honored so fast to douse runes for Majordomo? I never saw any whole raid of these guilds farming in silithus prior to this raid.

Heres a link even that you DO need honored first and after comes the quest to get the hands and only then do you get the quintessence: http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Quest:Agent_of_Hydraxis

 

You don't need a raid to farm silithus. Just a few hunters to drop guild tag and farm elementals. If you paid attention you would've seen them.

[Klan 3]

So, rag is massively undertuned. Why isn't this fixed?

[Iolx 0]

That rag kill should not count as server first until they fix it.

 

plus who wants to brag about killing a undertuned boss

[Ironsides 35]

1 hour ago, Iolx said:

That rag kill should not count as server first until they fix it.

 

plus who wants to brag about killing a undertuned boss

Every raid is gonna be undertuned till AQ40 minimum. Welcome to 1.12 mechanics

[Mgoblue 0]

This is a fvcking joke. So much for a fresh server. There is no way this is legit, I don't care what videos you show me. Does this happen on Blizzard run servers? I highly doubt it. Thanks for killing the server already dooshbags.

[Serendepitys 2]

<-------------the guy who was streaming

 

The kill is 100% legit they're was no "exploiting" involved so put your damn pitchforks down. Were most of the bosses very undertuned? yes. did they cheat to kill any of those bosses? no, the only possible blame for rag being dead already is on elysium for releasing a very undertuned MC

[taladril 43]

Wait a sec, they were able to down rag in complete junk gear and the tanks didn't even need to flask to make it happen? Yeahhhh that is really messed up. I could maybe see success with bad gear plus flask but without, no way.

[Nadlek 0]

@Imbaslap,

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crushing blows + crits should be very common for any tank who ignores the basic melee table rules of bosses, even if the bosses melee damage is fire(armor doesn't do anything, Fire resist takes place for Armor essentially)

rag should not be able to crush and shield block wouldnt even save you from that since you cant block elemental dmg (i dont know if i understand that correctly, but it sounds like you assume shield block also makes you immune to crits - it doesnt)

 

he deals pdmg instead of fire with his autos, that's the main problem

fix pdmg (1-2k hits) from his autos to fire dmg (what was it 3,5-5k fire?)

and gg Oo

[Paltos 7]

4 hours ago, Mgoblue said:

This is a fvcking joke. So much for a fresh server. There is no way this is legit, I don't care what videos you show me. Does this happen on Blizzard run servers? I highly doubt it. Thanks for killing the server already dooshbags.

kek

[Imbaslap 14]

3 hours ago, Nadlek said:

@Imbaslap,

rag should not be able to crush and shield block wouldnt even save you from that since you cant block elemental dmg (i dont know if i understand that correctly, but it sounds like you assume shield block also makes you immune to crits - it doesnt)

 

he deals pdmg instead of fire with his autos, that's the main problem

fix pdmg (1-2k hits) from his autos to fire dmg (what was it 3,5-5k fire?)

and gg Oo

you sure about that bud?

warrior casts shield block at 3:04 4s left. rag hits warrior, shield block stack removed.

if his attacks could not be blocked, then why was shield block consumed? riddle me that batman. (warrior gets crit in the video as well and uses shield block at times.)

http://db.vanillagaming.org/?spell=2565

you can dodge, parry, and miss ragnaros's attacks. why wouldn't he fall under the same category of crushing blows due to level difference?

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Crushing_Blow

the only change between ragnaros and a boss like onyxia for melee is the damage SOURCE from his melee attacks. meaning physical vs fire.  Fire goes off resist table while physical goes off armor.

basic game mechanics 101.

if he's dealing physical damage in the video from server first kill, i think you found 1 of many more problems with the fight. (hence the uproar).

ignorance is bliss, but the ones who say the truth come out ahead.

inb4 wowserver trolls invade this thread and start defending bugs. <3

(proof is provided from retail sources, so good luck in the counter-argument saying Crestfall was wrong)

Edited January 21, 2017 by Imbaslap

[Imbaslap 14]

20 hours ago, Knife said:

a) if you think u need to spam shieldblock on ragnaros thats because u "cant game mechanics"

b) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br1hXGXJ7Tg Retail ragnaros.. much harder than here i reckon

c) if you think  u need to be defcaped and FR caped to do rag see a)

d) if you think a) is wrong post a source and when u cant thats because see: a)

source posted.

good luck with counter argument.

(keep defending those bugs buddy, ignorance is bliss)

Edited January 21, 2017 by Imbaslap

[Nadlek 0]

 

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warrior casts shield block at 3:04 4s left. rag hits warrior, shield block stack removed.

if his attacks could not be blocked, then why was shield block consumed? riddle me that batman. (warrior gets crit in the video as well and uses shield block at times.)

he is dealing pdmg not fire so ofc he can block dmg and it's used ... learn reading instead of babbling nonsense - i already stated that

 

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(proof is provided from retail sources, so good luck in the counter-argument saying Crestfall was wrong)

and with this you counter proofed yourself -.-

also at this point it's absolutely useless to talk to you

[Imbaslap 14]

1 hour ago, Nadlek said:

 

he is dealing pdmg not fire so ofc he can block dmg and it's used ... learn reading instead of babbling nonsense - i already stated that

 

and with this you counter proofed yourself -.-

also at this point it's absolutely useless to talk to you

https://vanilla-twinhead.twinstar.cz/?issue=3124 for more info.

he can crit and crush.

it is physical damage.

it consumes shield block so yes, blocking is a thing on rag.

(retract the fire damage melee due to conflicting sources from patch notes)

pet's are still broken tanking him/bugging him out.

targeting multiple players or "cycling" for the magma blast spell is also a bug.

lava eruption is post 1.5 patch with weaker damage source and also not frequent enough.

 

TLDR: fight is still undertuned and still buggy.

 

Edited January 21, 2017 by Imbaslap

[Imbaslap 14]

Just now, Henceforth said:

Seeing how many people are experts in tuning MC, wonder y they are not applying for the QA positions that are opened :)

jokes on you.

Gratz for the kill. For the haters, so much envy

no interest in QA spot.