So is this RIP for Elysium Servers?

[Frozz 0]

So a bunch of people in my guild get banned, a bunch of people in other guilds get banned, everything is buggy in-game, and the staff are quit about their mass ban wave. This is the same thing that happened in Cataclysm, ban everyone for no reason and the community dies. In-game is really weird and awkward right now. Guilds are falling apart because of the ban wave, and I don't know if it's worth playing a game where I could get banned for no reason. 

I wish the Elysium staff were more open about what's going on. I don't like seeing the population this low. I know this is a free service and it is completely ran by volunteers, by why volunteer to run a game that you are trying to destroy. Seems like a waste of time an energy to volunteer for. RIP this community. It just feels weird to play this game now. My motivation is hanging in the balance of how the Elysium staff handles this ban wave, because I refuse to play a game that is destroying its own community. 

Edited January 26, 2017 by Frozz
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[painmachine696 0]

What guild are you in frozz? My guild is also currently experiencing this 

[Masterbait 10]

For no reason 

 

 

[Rckstr 6]

Why are people so mad and aggressive when someone talks about random bans? Not that something like that has never happened before.

It's in our best interest that these cases get cleared and we receive some official information regarding all these accusations and we only get that by making appeals to the public.

The amount of people who want to continue living in their dream world full of flowers and fluffy unicorns is quite surprising considering that the random banhammer could also hit themselves. But keeping eyes closed is the best way heh?

I'm sure that the vast majority of the elysium staff only wants the best for their project and their community and i'm really grateful for the work they put in to make all this possible! But considering the amount of bans and also the amount of people who claim to be wrongfully banned is pretty alarming and something smells here... i don't like it but something is going on and it needs to be taken care of.

The last thing this community needs is another factor of uncertainty. First the Nost & Blizzard issue and now this... vanilla is a game which forces you to put a lot of time and effort into it, making people worry if their effort is worth it can't be in the interest of Elysium.

Edited January 26, 2017 by Rckstr

[Haestingas 30]

He doesn't mention the reason for the ban, doesn't mention any names at all. Just cries gloom and doom and no details. Either give details or get out.

[gotmilk0112 10]

There are no "random bans", you retards. With 30k+ players, GMs don't have time to "randomly" ban people.

 

46 minutes ago, Rckstr said:

the amount of people who claim to be wrongfully banned is pretty alarming and something smells here... i don't like it but something is going on and it needs to be taken care of.

GM said that 100% of people who claim to be wrongfully banned, were not wrongfully banned.

 

I've played MMO private servers long enough to know that when someone comes crying to the forums that they were "banned for no reason", 999/1000 times they were banned for a real reason and they're just trying to play the victim card to get sympathy.

 

If OP truly believed he was wrongfully banned, he would have gone to the Ban Appeal forum and posted there, instead of coming to General forum and making a huge whiny rant about how the server sucks and the GMs are literally hitler.

Edited January 26, 2017 by gotmilk0112

[void_echo 10]

1 hour ago, gotmilk0112 said:

GM said that 100% of people who claim to be wrongfully banned, were not wrongfully banned.

Then either he wasn't telling the truth or you aren't. As you can see from this quote, at the very least, four people have claimed to be wrongfully banned, and have indeed been wrongfully banned.

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FYI, I banned hundreds of accounts due to gold trafficking last week, only 4 (< 1%) turned out to be false positives and got their ban lifted within 24 hours.

How many is enough to stop you people from piling on every single person who claims a wrongful ban too? For me, it's one. Also, try to imagine how many of them would require a longer investigation that the GMs typically don't bother to engage in to be "proven innocent" (the four that have been unbanned were clearly so not guilty of anything that it was blatantly obvious, since it took less time to unban them than it usually even takes to get a response to a GM ticket).

Edited January 26, 2017 by void_echo

[pôckett 0]

Less than 1% is pretty good odds that most people are lying about being randomly banned. 

[toniplavna 20]

6 hours ago, Frozz said:

So a bunch of people in my guild get banned, a bunch of people in other guilds get banned, everything is buggy in-game, and the staff are quit about their mass ban wave. This is the same thing that happened in Cataclysm, ban everyone for no reason and the community dies. In-game is really weird and awkward right now. Guilds are falling apart because of the ban wave, and I don't know if it's worth playing a game where I could get banned for no reason. 

I wish the Elysium staff were more open about what's going on. I don't like seeing the population this low. I know this is a free service and it is completely ran by volunteers, by why volunteer to run a game that you are trying to destroy. Seems like a waste of time an energy to volunteer for. RIP this community. It just feels weird to play this game now. My motivation is hanging in the balance of how the Elysium staff handles this ban wave, because I refuse to play a game that is destroying its own community. 

Stop exploiting bosses, buying gold, cheat etc.

[reagan 6]

Ive played on nearly every decent private server there is over the last 7 year's, and ive seen ban waves multiple times. Sure Atheraine used ban waves to slow down the "top guilds" and reduce the pressure on their dev team but for the most part almost every person I've known who got banned deserved it. 

 

The guilds who experience ban waves are typically engaging in activity that is bannable, they all do it because they see each other doing it and think its ok because everyone else is doing it, then the admin's catch on and they all get banned. Were you pulling magistrate through the gate in strath? instant resetting, pet tanking rag, gold buying, gold selling, industrial farming of materials?

 

If you really were wrongfully banned, what were you banned for? What's your reasoning behind claiming it was unfair? And why are you posting in general discussion not the ban appeal section?

 

Until you provide actual details of the reason the admins are giving for the "random" bans people im going to continue to assume your a shill trying to bring the community down because your mad that you or one of your friends was exploiting something, got caught and got banned.

Edited January 26, 2017 by reagan

[void_echo 10]

4 minutes ago, reagan said:

If you really were wrongfully banned, what were you banned for?

Most people don't get informed about the ban reason before bothering to appeal (and even then it's very often unclear). If there was more transparency, your question would make sense, but there are very few people who can tell you more than "I don't know, I didn't do anything, or at least I think so"...

Edited January 26, 2017 by void_echo

[brunoviek 1]

Well, gold sellers didn't stopped to spam, so there still people buying gold.

There is plenty of cheaters in game, here it's not like retail where you buy tons of gold and happen NOTHING.

[reagan 6]

Put in an in-game ticket and ask for your ban reason, post in the forums and ask for a ban reason, Nost used to have a website you could goto to tell you why you were banned, im not sure Elysium set that up or not... probably not...

 

Either way, just ask and you will be told why you were banned. Stop feigning ignorance, its not a smart argument,

[Guest]

Hi there,

Let me give you a bit of clarification.

There are no "random bans" or "random ban waves". If you've been banned, its for a reason. Entire guilds don't get banned for any reason - unless they're all doing something they shouldn't be doing. As a player has suggested, open a ban appeal and wait for a GM to reply.

Tyche

[Flexi 12]

10 hours ago, reagan said:

Were you pulling magistrate through the gate in strath? instant resetting, pet tanking rag, gold buying, gold selling, industrial farming of materials?

Wait, all these are bannable? My guild onced tanked Anub'Rekhan in Naxx using a turtle, on retail.

How should I know which bosses you can and cannot tank using a pet? Always assumed this was a viable strategy.

Edited January 27, 2017 by Flexi

[noob257 36]

4 hours ago, Tyche said:

As a player has suggested, open a ban appeal and wait for a GM to reply.

A ban appeal for other players?

 

15 hours ago, Frozz said:

So a bunch of people in my guild get banned, a bunch of people in other guilds get banned

 

15 hours ago, Frozz said:

I don't know if it's worth playing a game where I could get banned for no reason.

 

[smokeit 26]

Also don't take strangers money, they could've bought it and when you accept it its likely you will get banned too.

[void_echo 10]

8 hours ago, Tyche said:

 

There are no "random bans" or "random ban waves". If you've been banned, its for a reason.

This doesn't mean anything. Everything happens "for a reason", it's all part of some greater cosmic causality.

[SerGhost 0]

1 час назад, smokeit сказал:

Also don't take strangers money, they could've bought it and when you accept it its likely you will get banned too.

So don't use trade for selling goods cause you can be banned, don't send CODs cause you can be banned and don't use AH cause to can be banned for that your buyer was an idiot and bought gold. Don't you think that is stupid? Buyers and sellers should be banned, all others max should lost illegal gold without ban.

[Guest]

6 hours ago, noob257 said:

A ban appeal for other players?

 

 

 

No - you should be appealing for yourself.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, void_echo said:

This doesn't mean anything. Everything happens "for a reason", it's all part of some greater cosmic causality.

It means that the word "random" doesn't exist in bans for us. :)

[Guest]

6 hours ago, Flexi said:

Wait, all these are bannable? My guild onced tanked Anub'Rekhan in Naxx using a turtle, on retail.

How should I know which bosses you can and cannot tank using a pet? Always assumed this was a viable strategy.

As long as it's not illegal activity in the TOU, and you're not abusing mechanics of the game (such as bugs or exploits) then no - its not illegal. Tanking bosses with pets (even Rag) isn't against the TOU (to my understanding - unless someone can link an official post stating otherwise).

Tyche

[void_echo 10]

3 minutes ago, Tyche said:

It means that the word "random" doesn't exist in bans for us. :)

Of course. But without transparency and clearly stated ban reasons, it appears random to the players, which is what people mean when they say "random".

 

Especially combined with known cases of people who have been wrongfully banned and then unbanned only after their entire guilds started hassling every single GM they could find to actually look into the case...

[Guest]

Ban reasons are clearly stated in any appeals. Obviously there's going to be mistakes here and there, as we personally review a lot of our bans and are only human. However the false positive rate is extremely extremely low. Below %1. When an appeal is made, we review the ban decision, the evidence, and the verdict - and decide whether or not it was justifiable.

[SerGhost 0]

2 минуты назад, Tyche сказал:

Ban reasons are clearly stated in any appeals. Obviously there's going to be mistakes here and there, as we personally review a lot of our bans and are only human. However the false positive rate is extremely extremely low. Below %1. When an appeal is made, we review the ban decision, the evidence, and the verdict - and decide whether or not it was justifiable.

It was before last ban wave. Some of your stuff without checking banned ppl who get an illegal money by fair way. Boosting lowlvls, selling goods, enchants and etc.

Yes gold was illegal but how we can check it?And now we banned for no reason for us. And we knows it only after 24 hours since ban cause no way to know ban reason except to right apeal and ask.