Anathema Premades Problem

[Bieb 3]

I love this server, but i honestly believe the current battleground situation on Anathema, especially Horde, is killing the enjoyment for many players.

During the few hours i play every night, I will sometimes spend most of it against full alli premades which results in EVERYONE going afk at the gates and not respawning in order to minimize the amount of honor we give them.

It's not 10% of the time, it's not 20% of the time, it's almost 50% of Battlegrounds result in full teams going AFK.

I'm all for vanilla, i've played it, but the premade problem has never been this bad. You SHOULD be able to solo queue and still enjoy the game. My point is it's simply unplayable unless you form a premade of your own.

Having a solo queue would be so amazing, players would actually play the game and lose or win but still go for the fight.

I truly believe something can be done and should be done.

[Emptora 17]

Why don't you get a premade going on Horde side and go head-to-head with them instead of this?

[Xile 0]

Premades are just how it's done.

Pug BG's are rare in themselves. Join a guild / make some friends to PvP with.

Edited January 27, 2017 by Xile

[Bieb 3]

Basically, what i'm understanding is your only feedback to this is : 'don't solo queue, go full premade if you want to play BG's'

Now what i believe is if solo queuers and premade groups had any sort of system matchmaking, it would be more enjoyable for EVERYONE.

I don't see what's fun in 5 capping and smashing afk players with a full 15 man premade.

[Fylgja 3]

They aren't there for PvP, they're there to farm honor as quickly and effortlessly as possible. Tangible rewards from PvP have never done anything but harm.

[Xile 0]

If you know someone that knows how to do that.. by all means speak with the admins.

Been in premades. Yeah they get boring.. but they're going for high ranks. They love quick and easy games.

[artan 14]

God dam it , so your crying vs the fact that alliance is playing better then horde? , you bring shame to the horde ... grow a pair and do someting aboth it. Fix your own premade and farm them back. 

[Fylgja 3]

In which magical universe honor farming premades don't just dodge other premades?

[levran 146]

6 hours ago, Fylgja said:

They aren't there for PvP, they're there to farm honor as quickly and effortlessly as possible. Tangible rewards from PvP have never done anything but harm.

Why never?

 Patch 2.4.0 (2008-03-25): Battleground matchmaking for premades has been tightened, so it is more likely that a premade will meet a group with similar gear. This can result in longer queue times for premades.

We need it. 

[Ayruslol 1]

GiT guD

[Lorilay 12]

10 hours ago, levran said:

Why never?

 Patch 2.4.0 (2008-03-25): Battleground matchmaking for premades has been tightened, so it is more likely that a premade will meet a group with similar gear. This can result in longer queue times for premades.

We need it. 

This is a 1.12 client. There is no possible way to add the matchmaking system to it, and the devs here have already said that they are not modifying the game client, period. Nost tried to add a priority to match groups vs other groups, and it wound up being a total disaster that they rolled back after a few months.

Edited January 27, 2017 by Lorilay

[void_echo 10]

6 minutes ago, Lorilay said:

This is a 1.12 client. There is no possible way to add the matchmaking system to it, and the devs here have already said that they are not modifying the game client, period.

Why on earth do you think that matchmaking would be client-side instead of server-side?

[Lorilay 12]

If you're talking about just matching groups with groups, Nost already tried that and it was a complete failure. If you're talking about matching gear levels with each other, that's not possible unless you have a TBC client.

[Fylgja 3]

Gear based matchmaking would be pointless anyway as we don't have the abysmal gear gaps and stuff like resilience in vanilla..

[levran 146]

In our case gear not matter, but we need to premade meet premade.Thats need to randomly breed real registration time from registration time at battlemaster, and "join as group" should lead to meeting with same groups.  I cannot find notes about matchmaking in 1.12, but note from patch 2.4.0 shows that premade has long been separated from random groups.

[Shayss 43]

Make your own premades you shit players.

Just because ur intorvert antisocial noobs doesn't mean everyone has to be at your low level.

[Slicy 11]

The current situation is way different from what you're stating. Horde has a lot of players queuing together since a long time and in several premades atm (russianmade, Weinermade, Chinamade, rankermade, etc.). Alliance ranker premade is dodging them for whatever reason. Most of the time if you premade as alliance you will face a horde premade right now. So basically what you are asking for already exists considering how the default queue system works.

The fact you end up facing a premade when you soloqueued is just a problem of one side not having enough big groups to match the number of the other side. 

With a premade queue priority you will have 1 side completely rolling over another one because of higher number of prems, forcing them to dodge this special queue and these games (aka they have to queue with 5 or less) just for honor efficiency. 

Premade queue priority, in short, is making all the alliance premades wait 5 minutes before they get a queue pop, unless horde has a group of more than 5 players queuing. These horde groups would infinitely face alliance premades and quickly disband and go 5 man queuing because the honor they're getting is just terrible.

Also queuing solo or with 3-4 ppl has never been this fun on the server. You can definitely try and even win against premades or get pug v pug games and all the afk/chaos they have.

Edited January 28, 2017 by Slicy

[levran 146]

24 minutes ago, Shayss said:

Make your own premades you shit players.

Just because ur intorvert antisocial noobs doesn't mean everyone has to be at your low level.

If all make premades, then from whom these premade will be? But right - make your premade and play with premades. You need premades for farm, but some peoples here wanna fair play.

Edited January 28, 2017 by levran

[Shayss 43]

It is fair. You just don't want to make a group and play with friends.

[levran 146]

1 hour ago, Shayss said:

It is fair. You just don't want to make a group and play with friends.

Yes, i don`t need to make a group to fight with randoms. If premade vs random its fair for you, its your trouble, bb hf.

Edited January 28, 2017 by levran

[Bieb 3]

4 hours ago, Shayss said:

It is fair. You just don't want to make a group and play with friends.

lol, this guy most likely autistic. The point isn't we can't beat alli premades, it's that random  games should be fun too without having almost every game at prime time end up going AFK.

but thanks for your 2cent logic.

[Shayss 43]

2 hours ago, Bieb said:

lol, this guy most likely autistic. The point isn't we can't beat alli premades, it's that random  games should be fun too without having almost every game at prime time end up going AFK.

but thanks for your 2cent logic.

All I read there was "Omg Shayss, but that means I would need to actually make a group with people and I can't do that because I am shit".

Nice_One_M8!

[Ravni 2]

No idea what this guy is talking about. I solo que or 2-3-man que a little for fun on horde-side, mostly in AB and occasional WSG, and I'd say less than a quarter of the time I face premades, and most of those are pretty beatable especially in AB. Hell, had a recent game against an almost all-r12+ group and they couldn't even 4-cap it.

US horde que times got very fast since relaunch too: it used to be that we had to wait anywhere from 20-40 minutes, now it's usually something like 2-4 minutes. With the exception of the first few weeks of the server, this is the best it's ever been for non-ranking players to have fun in BGs.

[Neversmiled 0]

В 27.01.2017 в 04:54, Emptora сказал:

Why don't you get a premade going on Horde side and go head-to-head with them instead of this?

 

В 28.01.2017 в 12:42, Shayss сказал:

Make your own premades you shit players.

Just because ur intorvert antisocial noobs doesn't mean everyone has to be at your low level.

The problem is that if horde make a premade - 80% of alliance premades will dodge it, they (devs) need to mark dodgers with deserter debuff so the count of premades will descrease dramatically

Edited January 30, 2017 by Neversmiled

[Emptora 17]

3 hours ago, Neversmiled said:

 

The problem is that if horde make a premade - 80% of alliance premades will dodge it, they (devs) need to mark dodgers with deserter debuff so the count of premades will descrease dramatically

I don't really have any statistics to back this up, but by observation horde do make pre-mades and still lose a majority of the time. The problem is there are fewer horde at level 60 than there are level 40 horde ganking lowbies.