Stance of Compensating Ninja Looter

[The Fapmonsoon 14]

If they plan to equip it they absolutely have higher say on it then someone who is going to sell. Period. Go back to retail with this mentality.

[Garun 9]

16 minutes ago, rikkisix said:

Oakenlix just has a different mindset from us that's all. All in all Most will see this as ninjaing, no mater what we say how we say it, that is his answer. We may not agree or disagree with it but, it is what it is. Yes this was cleary ninjaing, becuase Personal greed help's no one but oneself, BOES. EVEN when everyone needs rolls on them, in dungi's we always and i mean ALWAYS make sure whoever needs it gets it. For atleast as a tank, for some one to need on a BOE tank item that's say BIS (I think it was stockade shoulderpads or something which is BIS till Chrom in T2,) for there own greed is. by all means laughable, and unheard of. The fact that some one would screw, one of the most tedious and annoying roles / classes in the game surely us tanks are machonist no? being screwed by easyist farm class (Mage) is almost pure maddness, but again. Diffferent strokes different mindsets. It could be a generation gap? Who know's it's just that in Retail vanilla such greed was unheard of. Unless they where a pure blood troll / greifer etc. I mean this sucks, but atleast it wasn't like your BIS till end game, some people get hurt by this real hard.

People like him and Beerwizard are one of the main reasons I don't pug as a tank. Why would I tank for someone that isn't in my guild, and might steal gear so they can get some gold. Beer can farm that gold easily while a tank can't. The next time you can't get a tank for a dungeon to gear up, you can thank the BoE needers.

[The Fapmonsoon 14]

Just now, zmandude24 said:

People like him and Beerwizard are one of the main reasons I don't pug as a tank. Why would I tank for someone that isn't in my guild, and might steal gear so they can get some gold. Beer can farm that gold easily while a tank can't. The next time you can't get a tank for a dungeon to gear up, you can thank the BoE needers.

And these same guys will cry "there's no tanks waaaaaghhhh" after they ruin it for everyone else.

[Garun 9]

1 minute ago, The Fapmonsoon said:

And these same guys will cry "there's no tanks waaaaaghhhh" after they ruin it for everyone else.

At least those guys won't get into a decent guild, but the others will have a chance to be able to.

[zlord 0]

2 minutes ago, zmandude24 said:

 Beer can farm that gold easily while a tank can't.

 just bc you decided to be one specific class of your choosing, doenst make you more entitled to something of the same value to everyone

everyone rolls need (unless otherwise discussed before raid/dungeon) and luck of the draw wins simple as that

[Oakenlix 79]

3 minutes ago, The Fapmonsoon said:

No because you justify it as its not greed, you needed gold. Its greed prick. Get over it. Stop pushing your "I need gold" bullshit, we all need gold. Sorry your snowflake retardism is showing through hardcare. I wish you were on my server, I would enjoy camping your fucking ass for days.

I'm not talking about that, lol. Call it what you want - need or greed, but I've never said I should have more rights to get a BoE than anyone else. Quite the opposite, I'm saying everyone needs them equally. So you're either a liar or a dumbass who didn't grasp anything from reading my posts.

And yeah, I don't doubt you're sad enough to actually camp someone in a game because you disagree with them.

[The Fapmonsoon 14]

No, by saying everyone deserves an item that they cant even use is saying that your greed outweighs their need. Again, it wasn't an accident that blizzard made the greed icon a coin. You're too stupid to fucking understand basic logic. Again I just wish we played the same server so I can corpse camp you until you gave up on the server. I am actually decent to players in the game regardless of my affiliation with them because that was what vanilla was about, community. You come in wanting to fuck everyone because "I need gold as much as you need to equip". Fuck off kid.

[Garun 9]

7 minutes ago, zlord said:

 just bc you decided to be one specific class of your choosing, doenst make you more entitled to something of the same value to everyone

everyone rolls need (unless otherwise discussed before raid/dungeon) and luck of the draw wins simple as that

It is NOT the same value to everyone in that case. It takes a mage like maybe 15 hours to farm 400g with AoE farming while those shoulders are BiS until Chromag in BwL.

Edited February 16, 2017 by zmandude24

[Palos 0]

15 hours ago, Oakenlix said:

What makes you think the need to equip it is somehow superior to the need of selling it? Are you being serious now?

Well that is the logic of a ninja looter/gold farmer :D. You selling much lately? I see the spammers switched to sending us in game mails. Did or all your level 10 + toons get banned/ignored?

[Oakenlix 79]

1 hour ago, The Fapmonsoon said:

No, by saying everyone deserves an item that they cant even use is saying that your greed outweighs their need.

Eh...  then what does "outweigh" even mean in that case? Jesus, dude, it's not how logic and common sense work.

Anyway, I should really focus on answering to those members of community whose brain at least functions.

 

5 hours ago, zmandude24 said:

BoE needers cause people to be less likely to pug due to the chance of losing a BiS BoE epic taken from you by some greedy little piece of crap. 

It's funny because it's quite the opposite, actually.

You forget that you may not just lose a roll for an item you can wear, but you can also win a roll for an item you can't. So, the overall possibility of getting value X isn't really changed, it only becomes more random (due to rolls) and therefore, I'd say, even more fair.

Not only that, but you would lose the possibility to get screwed like that if everyone rolls "Need" on BoEs. You would never happen to roll "Greed" on something only to see someone else roll "Need" and get it without giving you a chance.

 

1 hour ago, rikkisix said:

Oakenlix just has a different mindset from us that's all. 

Just me? Or all the other people who say everyone should need on BoEs too? 

1 hour ago, rikkisix said:

Yes this was cleary ninjaing, becuase Personal greed help's no one but oneself, BOES. EVEN when everyone needs rolls on them, in dungi's we always and i mean ALWAYS make sure whoever needs it gets it. For atleast as a tank, for some one to need on a BOE tank item that's say BIS (I think it was stockade shoulderpads or something which is BIS till Chrom in T2,) for there own greed is. by all means laughable, and unheard of. 

So you are saying that demanding everyone to pass a universally valuable item to you because you can wear it and despite the fact it could serve as an equal gear upgrade for them - isn't personal greed? If that isn't, I don't know what is.

1 hour ago, zmandude24 said:

It is NOT the same value to everyone in that case. It takes a mage like maybe 15 hours to farm 400g with AoE farming while those shoulders are BiS until Chromag in BwL.

So you're basically saying that warriors need gold more than mages because they are poor. While this is very arguable, as every player is responsible for his class choice and every class/role has its pros and cons, I understand why you would think that. But, while it's always good to be nice and pass something away for someone who can't earn as much, there is no reason to blame people who don't do that as ninjas.

27 minutes ago, Palos said:

Well that is the logic of a ninja looter/gold farmer :D. You selling much lately? I see the spammers switched to sending us in game mails. Did or all your level 10 + toons get banned/ignored?

It's not, but it sounds like one to you, because you're either very dumb or just didn't read this thread. My condolenses.

 

 

 

 

[rikkisix 0]

1 hour ago, Oakenlix said:

Eh...  then what does "outweigh" even mean in that case? Jesus, dude, it's not how logic and common sense work.

Anyway, I should really focus on answering to those members of community whose brain at least functions.

 

It's funny because it's quite the opposite, actually.

You forget that you may not just lose a roll for an item you can wear, but you can also win a roll for an item you can't. So, the overall possibility of getting value X isn't really changed, it only becomes more random (due to rolls) and therefore, I'd say, even more fair.

Not only that, but you would lose the possibility to get screwed like that if everyone rolls "Need" on BoEs. You would never happen to roll "Greed" on something only to see someone else roll "Need" and get it without giving you a chance.

 

Just me? Or all the other people who say everyone should need on BoEs too? 

So you are saying that demanding everyone to pass a universally valuable item to you because you can wear it and despite the fact it could serve as an equal gear upgrade for them - isn't personal greed? If that isn't, I don't know what is.

So you're basically saying that warriors need gold more than mages because they are poor. While this is very arguable, as every player is responsible for his class choice and every class/role has its pros and cons, I understand why you would think that. But, while it's always good to be nice and pass something away for someone who can't earn as much, there is no reason to blame people who don't do that as ninjas.

It's not, but it sounds like one to you, because you're either very dumb or just didn't read this thread. My condolenses.

 

 

Why do you insult some one becuase i disagree with you? that's at best chilidsh, Yes warriors by all means do passively need more gold then any other class (Or tanks do) Honestly the fact that you insult some one like this, already show's what kind of person you are, and there really isn't a point to try and show you a different perspective even. I wish you luck mate and good hunting!

 

Why do you insult some one becuase i disagree with you? that's at best chilidsh, Yes warriors by all means do passively need more gold then any other class (Or tanks do) Honestly the fact that you insult some one like this, already show's what kind of person you are, and there really isn't a point to try and show you a different perspective even. I wish you luck mate and good hunting!

Edited February 17, 2017 by rikkisix

[The Fapmonsoon 14]

Yea Rikkisix, there is no use arguing with this idiot. All he does is claim hes morally superior and knows everything and you are stupid and retarded if you for any reason dont think the item isnt gold before its an item. 

[Oakenlix 79]

13 minutes ago, rikkisix said:

Why do you insult some one becuase i disagree with you? that's at best chilidsh, Yes warriors by all means do passively need more gold then any other class (Or tanks do) Honestly the fact that you insult some one like this, already show's what kind of person you are, and there really isn't a point to try and show you a different perspective even. I wish you luck mate and good hunting!

I try not to insult anyone I want to persuade, that would be indeed quite silly. With Fapmonsoon, however, I gave up some time ago (you may want to read our long discussion in Beerwizzard thread), so I just insult him because he's an utter moron and sometimes writes some funny stuff as replies to me.

And correct me if I'm wrong, but whatever impression you may have about me isn't really relevant to the issue we are arguing about. I'd love to see any valid arguments against my point, and not just something like "you're a greedy cunt". But alas, none so far.

Well, good luck to you too!

PS: about warriors, as I said earlier, everyone makes their choices, every role has pros and cons. Tanks can't farm very well, but they have easier time finding groups, just for example. So no, it doesn't mean they have a priority while looting. 

Edited February 17, 2017 by Oakenlix

[Rapteg 0]

3 часа назад, Oakenlix сказал:

 

PS: about warriors, as I said earlier, everyone makes their choices, every role has pros and cons. Tanks can't farm very well, but they have easier time finding groups, just for example. So no, it doesn't mean they have a priority while looting. 

Also as a warrior you will almost always get a group leader. So... that's your opportunity to be a ninja (well, if this is BiS BoE and you don't want to buy it, instead, demand people to handle it over, you can just ninja it next time for the same effect), or to discuss loot rules when group is formed. I haven't seen a single group ingame who wouldn't want to roll need on all BoE items, everyone thinks that it's retarded idea to not to. So i guess it's just a vocal forum minority that doesn't reflect reality

Edited February 17, 2017 by Rapteg

[Garun 9]

57 minutes ago, Rapteg said:

Also as a warrior you will almost always get a group leader. So... that's your opportunity to be a ninja (well, if this is BiS BoE and you don't want to buy it, instead, demand people to handle it over, you can just ninja it next time for the same effect), or to discuss loot rules when group is formed. I haven't seen a single group ingame who wouldn't want to roll need on all BoE items, everyone thinks that it's retarded idea to not to. So i guess it's just a vocal forum minority that doesn't reflect reality

So taking your BiS when others only want it for gold is ninja looting but rolling need on something that you can't use but can sell is not makes a lot of sense. It would be ninja looting if they did it for something they couldn't use though. What part of need before greed do you not understand? Everyone wants a few hundred gold, but not everyone needs the BoE.

[Rapteg 0]

1 час назад, zmandude24 сказал:

So taking your BiS when others only want it for gold is ninja looting but rolling need on something that you can't use but can sell is not makes a lot of sense. It would be ninja looting if they did it for something they couldn't use though. What part of need before greed do you not understand? Everyone wants a few hundred gold, but not everyone needs the BoE.

Yes, taking something without rolling is ninjaing. Rolling need on it, just everyone else (because everyone needs a BoE pieces, they BoE for exactly this reason - they are useful for everyone regardless of class a rogue can (and should) roll on two-hander to trade if for devilsaur leather piece. BoE are cheap way to buy power for you character.

I'll just make it easy for you

BoE = tradable = any equivalent piece of BoE gear. There, are you able to understand now?

If you failed the roll - i advice you to not yell at winner "GIMME", but offer him something instead. Like, you know, gold.

Edited February 17, 2017 by Rapteg

[Rapteg 0]

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Edited February 17, 2017 by Rapteg
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[cargalia 2]

In all honesty I've never experienced anyone upset over losing a BoE.... And that stems from playing on nost to here. I feel like everyone already knows the common etiquette in groups. You greed BoEs and most times there's always that one guy that waits til all have voted to make sure they don't  need at last second. That's the same guy that could potentially ninja it though. Just out of selfishness not ignorance. 

[Oakenlix 79]

2 hours ago, zmandude24 said:

Everyone wants a few hundred gold, but not everyone needs the BoE.

Hey! Pss! Wanna know a secret? 

BoEs can be converted to gold. And the other way around.

But don't tell anyone!

[Justme 9]

1 hour ago, Oakenlix said:

Hey! Pss! Wanna know a secret? 

BoEs can be converted to gold. And the other way around.

But don't tell anyone!

And gold is Need not Greed

[TheDruidCode 28]

You're making a new Beerwizard thread? I wanna be part too. 

Thy shall not be greedy!

Thanks.

[Oakenlix 79]

4 minutes ago, Sabre said:

But if everything were converted to gold, what value would it have?

A market value. What's wrong with it?

4 minutes ago, Sabre said:

No dungeon would be able to be done. Gear comes first in all regards.

What? What are you talking about?

We're talking about BoE items. Your post makes no sense.

Edited February 17, 2017 by Oakenlix

[Sesshomaru 1]

On 16/2/2017 at 5:13 AM, Halfcover said:

Won the item on a need roll to sell it versus people with a legit need for it. Definition of ninja looting. There is no problem if the item was equipped to bind it to them. 

here we go again!!!

*grabs popcorn*
 

[`Xdembe` 47]

Oakenlix - pls, change your forum rank  from "specialist" to "ninja-senpai". Or stop pressing need button.

[Oakenlix 79]

1 hour ago, `Xdembe` said:

Oakenlix - pls, change your forum rank  from "specialist" to "ninja-senpai". Or stop pressing need button.

No, thanks. I don't think you can change your forum rank either.