About ValkyrieWoW - Learn before you assume

[Butcherino 0]

Soooo, many people aren't aware that ValkyrieWoW (the people running Elysium) have existed for many many years now. Their server was very unpopular, never had more than a few hundred players, and was ridden with bugs. There were a number of reason why the server was unpopular, a few them being that bugs were rarely (never) fixed, new bugs were frequently created, content was far from Blizzlike, certain classes were not desirable to play due to the way they functioned (in terms of talents and/or pets, etc.).

My point is, the Nostalrius staff are light years ahead of the ValkyrieWoW staff in terms of development capability and programming. Currently, there are several bugs on Elysium that didn't exist on the original Nostalrius. My fear is that these bugs will never be fixed, much like they weren't on the original ValkyrieWoW servers. 

For example - ValkyrieWoW took anywhere between 5 to 8 years to script AQ, and the final product was of course far from Blizzlike, maybe even worse than Feenix (Feenix LUL). Currently, mobs in the world can chase you across the entire map and never reset, like you are in an instance. Instances that functioned more accurately on Nostalrius do not function properly on Elysium (ZF, BRD, Uldaman, etc.). You can die in a certain zone and be transported across the map or world and be forced to spirit rez. Dying in certain instances or zones could make you disconnect. The classic "boat/zeppelin bug" has resurfaced, causing players to sometimes disconnect when loading across the world.

These types of bugs existed on ValkyrieWoW for the duration of server's existence (up to 10 years without being fixed). Their advertisement about the new core being "much better than the Nostalrius core" is simply false advertising, but what else were they going to say about it? It is simple marketing, false hope for the masses.

All the hype and craze about Elysium and Nostalrius has created an illusion about the quality of the server. The server will pale in comparison to Nostalrius Begins, and the community should do their research and be aware of the server's staff and history.

THAT BEING SAID, Elysium-Project is obviously the most popular and desirable Vanilla Wow experience available today, so you should certainly play on it if you want to. Just do your research and be informed before being let down or expecting something you're never going to get. 

I will still play on it too of course, but the probability of a better project eventually coming along is only increasing.

 

Edited February 19, 2017 by Butcherino

[Gardash 11]

Next time, before you post something like this, just don't do it.

[vanillalord 0]

first post of course, hello alexensual, how is your youtube going?

[Butcherino 0]

21 minutes ago, Gardash said:

Next time, before you post something like this, just don't do it.

Why? Are you so overly obsessed about the server that you can't be bothered by the truth?

It is simple, these bugs existed for a decade on ValkyrieWoW. Getting angry in world chat and posting "fix this fix that" will change nothing. It wasn't fixed for a reason, they just don't know how. Why would it be different today? It's the same leadership.

All you snowflakes are so obsessed and upset about a WoW server that you ignore simple facts. Get mad all you want, ignorance is bliss I guess.

Take your own advice next time you post.

[alexinho 1]

33 minutes ago, Gardash said:

Next time, before you post something like this, just don't do it.

He's right, though. The server's much worse than Nostalrius. Why? They had their core, if the server is worse than that when it should be better that just spells out incompetence.

[Red 1]

Well alright, you've expressed your opinion, but not everyone will share the same POV. 

 

Also  a lot of people here are satisfied with current developing and population. I just want to have fun and meet people, I don't care how long it will take to fix things if it's not game breaking Im fine with it.

[alexinho 1]

2 minutes ago, Red said:

Well alright, you've expressed your opinion, but not everyone will share the same POV. 

 

Also  a lot of people here are satisfied with current developing and population. I just want to have fun and meet people, I don't care how long it will take to fix things if it's not game breaking Im fine with it.

A lot of people are also satisfied with Trump. They don't know better. This server was supposed to be better than Nost, considering they received a core and, given capable developers, they should have improved it.

Yet the opposite happened. Why?

[Red 1]

28 minutes ago, alexinho said:

A lot of people are also satisfied with Trump. They don't know better. This server was supposed to be better than Nost, considering they received a core and, given capable developers, they should have improved it.

Yet the opposite happened. Why?

 

Because then Nost went greedy and made a request for Elysium to cease a usage of their core.

[Revo 34]

30 minutes ago, alexinho said:

A lot of people are also satisfied with Trump. They don't know better. This server was supposed to be better than Nost, considering they received a core and, given capable developers, they should have improved it.

Yet the opposite happened. Why?

guess why population is decreasing.

while nostalrius has become better and better rapidly, thus it was very popular and word of mouth constantly brought new ppl to the project, a lot players on elysium are disappointed by whatve been stated by OP. elysium is not becoming better rapidly, so ppl are not satisfied as much and only a few new ppl come here due to word of mouth.

in the end, it all comes down to the servers staff. and the nostalrius team simply was outstanding. so the current trend and situation couldve been forseen

[Smiter 9]

22 minutes ago, Revo said:

guess why population is decreasing.

while nostalrius has become better and better rapidly, thus it was very popular and word of mouth constantly brought new ppl to the project, a lot players on elysium are disappointed by whatve been stated by OP. elysium is not becoming better rapidly, so ppl are not satisfied as much and only a few new ppl come here due to word of mouth.

in the end, it all comes down to the servers staff. and the nostalrius team simply was outstanding. so the current trend and situation couldve been forseen

theres still 30k ppl playing on peak times????? So lets do some math: Nost has 10k peak. Elysium: 30k. + there is a whole new staff form original Valkyrie wow. Notice how fixes are coming out quickly? 

[Revo 34]

2 minutes ago, Smiter said:

 So lets do some math: Nost has 10k peak. Elysium: 30k.

thats fake news.

[Gardash 11]

1 hour ago, Butcherino said:

Why? Are you so overly obsessed about the server that you can't be bothered by the truth?

No, your post is wandering mess of garbage that has no relevance to anything.  You've wasted your time and the time of anyone who read it. 

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All you snowflakes

Oh, I see, you're just retarded.  I'm sorry, it wasn't nice of me to be mean to you.  Go ahead and post whatever you want, champ.

[simhak89 0]

This thread is SPOT ON! They created false prelaunch hype with the nost co-op. False marketing.

You forgot to mention all these stupid system messages that won't stop, that looks so unprofessional. Make a big "WARNING: follow these steps to secure your account" at account creation page, i don't wanna get spammed every 5-10mins ingame about it.

[simhak89 0]

I honestly think that Nost didn't want to share their core, ever. They're probably waiting for a private server to make a good offer to buy it of their hands, because they won't trust another server not making profit out of THEIR work.

But.. Nost doesn't want vanilla world to die either so they probably made this "we will co-op with X server" thing to bring back the hype. Tho It was pretty unsmooth to pull their donger back "oh nevermind, not gonna share our core" they could've made it a bit less obvious.. 

I guess only "smart" or "intelligent" people can see this bigger picture, and since we're a minority to the type of people who play along anything I guess our input on how dirty all this false marketing is won't matter at all. In the long run Valk and people who play along mindlessly wins, even tho the server is shitty! GG

[Garun 9]

4 hours ago, Butcherino said:

Currently, mobs in the world can chase you across the entire map and never reset, like you are in an instance.

 Unless you are talking about specific ones, that is complete bullshit.

[фткyн 1469]

You even played on valk? Valk had far better scripting than wowone, but here was not many devs like 2-3, not many ppl who know how many things supposed to work, bad hosting, here was like 5 guilds that can done bwl, peak online was like 300ppl, and 99% of them was Russians, bcz it was true Russian server, with add-ons translated to Russian and quests translated to Russian. So what? 

[Ellipsea 36]

Fairly sure you didn't play on Nost and you assume, whatever your previous experience was, it must...for whatever reason, be the same despite the obvious.

[фткyн 1469]

4 минуты назад, Ellipsea сказал:

Fairly sure you didn't play on Nost and you assume, whatever your previous experience was, it must...for whatever reason, be the same despite the obvious.

You talking with me? I was, had a two 60 toons, raided bwl, got r10, so i can talk about nost scripting    

[Ellipsea 36]

10 minutes ago, фткyн said:

You talking with me? I was, had a two 60 toons, raided bwl, got r10, so i can talk about nost scripting    

No.  obviously not.  talking to OP.  If I was talking to you, I'd quote you.  If I'm talking to OP, I post in his thread.

Edited February 19, 2017 by Ellipsea

[Ellipsea 36]

Here's 5170 posts for people whining about "bugged" content on Nostalrius.  You know what the constant is?  People whining.

[Revo 34]

20 minutes ago, Ellipsea said:

Here's 5170 posts for people whining about "bugged" content on Nostalrius.  You know what the constant is?  People whining.

1st post: "Three weeks after release of nostralius I found this bugged vein in Silithus"

2nd post: "2) "Pirate server" stigma? wtf is this bullshit, u can only have "pirate server" stigma if there are shit ton of bugged, personal info stealing servers that hurt the scene"

3rd post: "So... i dont know if i should complete another quest before or maybe its bugged or something (i dont think so)."

 

so 1 of 3 was a bug complaint. and this 1 refers to 3 weeks after the server released. so the 5170 post are pretty much nonsense.

however, nost was pretty bugged in the beginning and ppl will always find something to complain about. but nost improved very fast, thats what makes the difference here

and elysium got a huge boost from nost. they wouldve never gotten what theyve got now on their own

Edited February 19, 2017 by Revo

[Ellipsea 36]

It's not nonsense.  People are going to complain wherever they go.  You can sort through those 5170 and se which meet your criteria.  It's not any different wherever you go.

 

Furthermore, people like OP are going to state some type reason for why their particular type of whining is relevant.  For Op or Alex or any expert like that, go make your own fucking server.

Edited February 19, 2017 by Ellipsea

[gotmilk0112 10]

2 hours ago, simhak89 said:

This thread is SPOT ON! They created false prelaunch hype with the nost co-op. False marketing.

You forgot to mention all these stupid system messages that won't stop, that looks so unprofessional. Make a big "WARNING: follow these steps to secure your account" at account creation page, i don't wanna get spammed every 5-10mins ingame about it.

Those things stopped showing up weeks ago, m8.

 

6 hours ago, Butcherino said:

My fear is that these bugs will never be fixed, much like they weren't on the original ValkyrieWoW servers. 

boi

 

have you even glanced at the announcements section here

 

they've been fixing bugs like, every single week, since the servers launched

 

gb2Kronos, Alexensual.

[Revo 34]

3 minutes ago, Ellipsea said:

It's not nonsense.  People are going to complain wherever they go.  You can sort through those 5170 and se which meet your criteria.  It's not any different wherever you go.

ofc there are ppl that complain about bugs at every game and every community. but why would this even matter? what makes the difference is the staff and the way they handle complaints and the way they handle the bugs.

OP did also not only complain about the bugs, but about the time elysium/valkyrie requires to fix them.

[gotmilk0112 10]

2 minutes ago, Revo said:

what makes the difference is the staff and the way they handle complaints and the way they handle the bugs.

And the staff have been fixing bugs. A lot of them.

 

You have to realize that this is not Blizzard, this is a handful of people doing this in their spare time. They do not just sit around 24/7 working on every single bug. And fixing a bug is not as simple as editing a line of text in a .txt file and then saving it.

 

Furthermore, there are tons of things that need fixing, but only so much time to fix them, so obviously they're going to prioritize the most game-breaking and obnoxious bugs. Little things like a spell coefficient being 2% off are not going to get priority over falling-through-the-world bugs and disconnects.

Edited February 19, 2017 by gotmilk0112