Aruni 1 Report post Posted February 20, 2017 Hi! I am currently leveling a paladin (27 so far). So far I haven't been part of many dungeon groups (had a 60 friend run me through Deadmines and SFK), but have been part of some parties for elite quests. So far I have always been doing dps. I am specced into Retribution so far. My question is, how viable is ret dps in dungeons while leveling (especially up to lvl 50ish when I start BRD)? I quite enjoy doing dps, and it's easier to gather one set of gear. Would people invite a ret paladin to their group as a dps, or would they demand that I heal? I don't mind healing either, but I would quite like to have the option of dps'ing. At 60 I'm going holy. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dreary 2 Report post Posted February 20, 2017 Ret is very strong while leveling since they are relatively gear independent. Seal of the Crusader will carry you extremely hard, and you won't really feel the fall off until around BRD. By the time you get to that point, however, you should have some sort of heal set. You don't really need a bunch of +Heal, just a mana pool that doesn't evaporate instantly. Pre-Raid Holy BiS starts dropping in BRD anyways, so it really is in your best interest to be healing by that point. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aruni 1 Report post Posted February 20, 2017 Thanks! And yeah, I was planning on starting to heal at that point since, as you say, Pre-raid BiS items start dropping there. So in your opinion going ret dps up until BRD is fine? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
killerduki 54 Report post Posted February 21, 2017 10 hours ago, Dreary said: Ret is very strong while leveling since they are relatively gear independent. Seal of the Crusader will carry you extremely hard, and you won't really feel the fall off until around BRD. By the time you get to that point, however, you should have some sort of heal set. You don't really need a bunch of +Heal, just a mana pool that doesn't evaporate instantly. Pre-Raid Holy BiS starts dropping in BRD anyways, so it really is in your best interest to be healing by that point. Seal of the Crusader is bad DPS even for low level. /Kind regards Killerduki 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aruni 1 Report post Posted February 21, 2017 7 hours ago, killerduki said: Seal of the Crusader is bad DPS even for low level. /Kind regards Killerduki From browsing this forum I've noticed that you know a lot about Paladins. What are your thoughts on ret dps while leveling? As I mentioned I'm planning to go holy to heal in PvE at high levels, but would like to do dps until then. From what I gather it should be viable, but perhaps I'll struggle to find groups? Tried looking for a group to The Stockades today, listing myself as ret dps, with no luck. Do people still turn their noses up to paladins wanting to do other roles than healing? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
killerduki 54 Report post Posted February 21, 2017 (edited) 6 hours ago, Aruni said: From browsing this forum I've noticed that you know a lot about Paladins. What are your thoughts on ret dps while leveling? As I mentioned I'm planning to go holy to heal in PvE at high levels, but would like to do dps until then. From what I gather it should be viable, but perhaps I'll struggle to find groups? Tried looking for a group to The Stockades today, listing myself as ret dps, with no luck. Do people still turn their noses up to paladins wanting to do other roles than healing? Depend on what server you play , even as healer sometime you will have problems finding groups (not always). Deep Ret is the fastest and best way for Leveling,PVP and lot fun around. If you use 3.4+ Speed Weapon then i suggest you to use Seal and Judge of Command max rank (using Blessing of Wisdom) for maximum dps,mana for heals and uptime Vengeance (when you hit the level for it) + Stunned Targets for double DPS or 1 shot if Crit Judge of Command. If you use slower than 3.4 Speed Weapon then i suggest you to use Seal of Righteousness and Judgement of Righteousness, especially if you have Weapon that proc, it will result to double procs due to how Seal of Righteousness work and gives chance to do extra Procs. There are multiple variable ways , such as Judgement of Wisdom (higher level) and Seal of Righteousness, this will result into massive mana regeneration and spamming your Abilities at CD+Heals. Another way is to keep Judgement of the Crusader and Blessing of wisdom while you use Seal of Command/Righteousness for maximum DPS , that way mobs die faster (depend sometime if mob survive long fight only) . I have a full short guide how to Spec and what Weapons are Optimal as Retribution while leveling (Best for leveling) and speed leveling. https://forum.elysium-project.org/topic/22825-hints-and-tips-for-leveling-killerdukis-view/#comment-240282 P.S i suggest you to completely avoid and ignore Dreary , he is clueless about Paladins , he is used to live in "delusional world" using lazy Seal of the Crusader and Consecration (which used in past to be Bugged) , now that Seal of Command,Seal of Righteousness are fixed (at same time) Crusader and Consecration no longer work beneficially bugged , things should be played as Original Blizzlike ways as it used to back in 2005/6. TL:DR , hope you can understand my "Engrish" since i am not "English speaker" but foreigner (Eastern) . /Kind regards Killerduki Edited February 21, 2017 by killerduki 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Roxanne Flowers 15 Report post Posted February 21, 2017 57 minutes ago, killerduki said: TL:DR , hope you can understand my "Engrish" since i am not "English speaker" but foreigner (Eastern) In most cases, your ESL parses better than a lot of native English speakers, so it's not like you have anything to be apologizing for ... 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
apz 0 Report post Posted February 26, 2017 Also leveling a pala as ret. You can be THE savior if you pay attention. Dont know how many times in dungeons that I've seen the healer that obviously isnt heal spec run oom or go afk and tank dont notice and other shit, and u can save the day. Even tho u can keep up dpswise, I would try to not put all mana into dps but save some incase shit gets hairy. After all, palas are great at being backup and support. Just shit that pally Power doesnt seem to work Before greater blessings, so no chance I manage to keep em up 100%. Save som int gear that u get, doesnt matter if its cloth or mail. Just the other day our healer in RFD did a "brb laundry" on the way to the Escort event thingy, just had time to put on like 4 pieces of healing gear Before we got i combat and we managed it til the healer got back on like the 3rd wave. Rets might not keep up with a good hunter or rogue, but nothign else does that either. But its a spec that pretty much everyone should want in their Group while leveling since they can be the char that mean u dont have to make a long corpse walk and maybe a disbanding Group due some following drama. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dirtnasti 1 Report post Posted February 26, 2017 I find ret and feral to do really good dps up untill level 40+. Around that level they start getting outshined by rogues/mages. Also after level 50 pre raid gear starts dropping and rogues/warriors are less likely to bring ret dps into there groups. You should still be able to build up a ret set as a holy paladin just by taking drops that the other players in the group already have tho. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
apz 0 Report post Posted February 27, 2017 @dirtnasti Problem is leveling as holy tho. Would have loved to level all the way as holy but was talked out of that idea. Personally at like 40 I start thinking about going prot from 50-60, or maybe holy but then I might get so bored I might not even finish the last 10. Alternative is staying ret and have bigger issues getting Groups once the pre bis items start dropping. In my case it doesnt have to be that big issue since we are 3 friends that is pretty Close leveled and usually start the Groups ourselves. Btw, which is simplest to level as, holy pala or resto druid? Guess that will be the question that decides who will be tank and who will heal the pre bis farm we will have to do. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dirtnasti 1 Report post Posted February 27, 2017 Level as ret the entire way to 60, as long a you have a second set of +healing and intel gear you will be fine. Then respec when you want to start doing end game 5mans and raids. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Warl0ck 2 Report post Posted February 27, 2017 A few quick leveling questions for Ret.... Do you all judge crusader? Or do you just use your opening judgement on Command/Righteousness? For leveling, is Improved Seal of Crusader worth it (assuming you use the judgement) over 3 in parry (this assumes you take 2 in Improved Judgement). What is the weaponspeed cutoff in choosing between the 2 seals - Command/Righteousness? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
