Make premades only face premades

[Xena 2]

Hey guys, sup.

If you've been grinding your ass to grand marshal in a premade on alliance side you know how boring it is. You 5 base the enemy pug team and done. You follow this google spreadsheet to make brackets so you don't have to grind too much and don't have any competition. Eventhough it's all blizzlike and back in the old days it was technically possible, it's not really a vanilla feeling at all, let alone a true pvp experience. You queue up solo as horde, get rekt by an alliance premade. You queue up as horde premade, you have super long queues. You queue up solo as alliance, you get rekt cause alliance sucks and the only decent players are in one of the premades.

Sooooo easy solution: make premades only face premades, they did this on Nostalrius for months. No idea why they stopped it but it was a lot of fun. You queue up as a premade you actually have to do something to win and not /afk and 5base them. Hell you're not even fighting the horde if it's not a premade, you're fighting time and looking at your goddamn google spreadsheet. And then the puggers will only face pug groups as well.

To make it clear I guess a premade is considered a premade when its over 5 people, so 6-7-8-9-10 would get queued in the "premade queue" and 5 or lower get queued in the "pug queue". The only problem I can think of is not enough players in general to make both queues not too long. But at least it's more fair for everyone.

Any ideas suggestions yes no maybe? Or shouldn't I have bothered suggesting it seeing how much cancer there is on these forums.

[Nelythia 44]

Nost tried that, it failed.

[Eyedie1 1]

You do realise how bad that theory is right? So if I queue as a 6 in Warsong Gulch. Then we can't get any more people. As the 4 spaces cant be filled by puggers or premades (groups too big). On top of that, the "premades" would just queue up as a group of 4 and then queue at exactly the same time. Creating a new Arathi Basin or Warsong Gulch. This was done on Nostalrius and there is no way to stop premading. Even in vanilla you had premades floating around because even they knew how to rank with the honor system and what was best. Just "git gud" and join the premades or enjoy BGs for what they are.

[Xena 2]

31 minutes ago, Eyedie1 said:

You do realise how bad that theory is right? So if I queue as a 6 in Warsong Gulch. Then we can't get any more people. As the 4 spaces cant be filled by puggers or premades (groups too big). On top of that, the "premades" would just queue up as a group of 4 and then queue at exactly the same time. Creating a new Arathi Basin or Warsong Gulch. This was done on Nostalrius and there is no way to stop premading. Even in vanilla you had premades floating around because even they knew how to rank with the honor system and what was best. Just "git gud" and join the premades or enjoy BGs for what they are.

No, you don't understand. If you made a group with 6 and queue up the rest gets filled by puggers, but you only face another team that also has a 6man premade or bigger. If you queue up as 4 you're in the pugged queue and can meet any other team in the pugged queue, like a full pugged team, or a team with a 2 man premade, or a 3 man etc.

And you don't have to "git gud" to join premades. That's the whole point, they don't do anything. The opposing faction realizes its a premade, they give up, you win. All you have to do is be online and stick to the google spreadsheet. I'm in one myself, I just want competition. But i guess competitive pvp in vanilla is a joke and like i said, this forum is just full of 1500 rated cancerous trolls that never did anything productive towards anything in their life.

Edited March 1, 2017 by Xena

[Aladya 0]

I agree on the point that most premades just go get 3 flags or cap 5 bases without any competition. And it's boring. Bt the only solution for this is that puggs try harder & make premades themselves.

[Lorilay 12]

The current system is the best way to face premades against each other. The only one that worked any better was ranked BGs on retail, which isn't possible to implement on here without modifying the client (and also required a large enough number of teams on cross-server matching to be viable).

[Slootie 0]

On 3/2/2017 at 6:25 AM, Aladya said:

I agree on the point that most premades just go get 3 flags or cap 5 bases without any competition. And it's boring. Bt the only solution for this is that puggs try harder & make premades themselves.

What's more likely to happen is people wanting to rank will just wpvp ally for another 3-4 months while horde guilds catch up in gear.  The gear difference between the top 3 ally premades who are constantly running and the majority of horde is pretty massive at the moment.   Ally will continue to feed off the newer 60s who don't know any better than to queue up or the pvpers who are just praying for that 1/10 chance of matching vs a pug while the rest of ally will get camped in any level 50+ zone.   Pretty awesome system, isn't it?

Battlegrounds and pvp on these servers is a joke in it's current form.  I just hope they limit the premades or things balance out a bit more.  As a player who did run with a GM premade back in vanilla, most of the time it was boring as shit.  Every once in a while you would get a good game(which was actually fun) but most of the time the other premades would just afk against you(prior to deserter buff being added into the game).  Time vs honor gain just wasn't worth it.

[Zyfire 2]

By your analogy though, if this was to be implemented, alliance would be recked in every single BG. Because apparantly alliance always lose when solo queueing.

It would also kinda ruin the whole point of a premade, winning games fast/easy for more honor. I don't premade just because I like playing with people on teamspeak, I premade because it's a faster way of gaining honor, if I were to only face other premades that would not be true anymore (most of the time).