Pet confusion

[Masterbait 10]

So after reading through dozens of different posts about Pet X and Y i'm a bit confused. 

What i understand:

-Lupos does shadow damage on this server and is considered as the best dps pet for raids

-Broken Tooth has 1.0 atkspeed and is best for pvp against casters

Questions:

-Broken Tooth has no benefits over other cats in pve, right? 1.0 or 2.0 atkspeed does not matter? 

-What makes the ZG bat special besides it's 1.0 atkspeedk (pve)? 

-I read that King Bangalash has Cobra Reflexes, is this true on Anathema and what does it mean? 

-What is so special about Son Of Hakkar?

 

If you would do a top 5 of pets for raiding, how would it look? 

1. Lupos? 

2.? 

3.? 

4.? 

5.? 

[Xylon666Darkstar 4]

Broken Tooth and ZG bat, with their 1.0 attack speed makes them superior vs others of their type, due to the synergy with BM Flurry talent. More tacks in, more chances to crit, more flurry uptime which nets it a DPS increase vs slower speed attack pets of its type, making them both more valuable for PvE, although still not as valuable as Lupos(currently) with its shadow damage attack and DPS buff Howl utility.

You only have stable space for 3 pets, so why top five?

For third pet, I would use an Owl or Bat for Screech utility spam for pve raids (help reduce boss damage towards tank) which it can spam and keep up indefinitely long as it doesn't die. If it's warranted of course, considering the limited amount of debuffs allowed, until ZG patch increases to 16.

Bats have a +6% damage modifier to their overall DPS, Owls have +7%. No +/- changes to armor or health. http://www.companioncodex.com/species-catalog/

1. Lupos

2. Broken Tooth/ZG Bat

3. ZG Bat/Owl for Screech utility

[Drakbak 3]

Broken Tooth's faster attack doesn't have a lot of meaning in a raid environment.  It would benefit from the debuff proc'd from a tank using Gift of Arthas.  In theory, it is better for BM hunters because it increases Frenzy uptime, but raiding as BM isn't a good idea.  I suppose the other benefit would be the more frequent (albeit smaller) hits compared to other cats would allow it's dps to be more consistent. due to better averaging out of dodges, glancing blows, and the like.  Fewer attacks that hit harder will be more subject to RNG swings.

I think the speed is the big point behind the ZG bat, which makes it more beneficial in PvP rather than PvE.  It can learn screech, which is more useful when you want a pet that can aoe tank, but any bat, owl, or carrion bird can learn it.  I believe max rank is available outside of ZG.

As far as I know, Cobra Reflexes is not a pet ability in vanilla.  It was added in TBC as an ability you could teach your pet.  It's possible the King Bangladesh npc has this ability, but if it's carrying forward to a tamed pet, then that is likely a bug that needs to be corrected.

You can only learn the highest rank of the Lightning Breath from the Sons of Hakkar.  Some people like to raid with wind serpents due to lightning breath being a good focus dump that bypasses armor, though you have to consider resistances.

[Roxanne Flowers 15]

5 minutes ago, Xylon666Darkstar said:

For third pet, I would use an Owl or Bat for Screech utility spam for pve raids (help reduce boss damage towards tank) which it can spam and keep up indefinitely long as it doesn't die. If it's warranted of course, considering the limited amount of debuffs allowed, until ZG patch increases to 16.

Hey, just because I started saying that Screech Is Good for tanking assist doesn't mean that everyone needs to pile on the bandwagon...

Furious Howl buffs a 15 yard PBAoE around the Wolf.

Screech debuffs a melee range PBAoE around the Owl/Carrion/Bat.

6 minutes ago, Drakbak said:

As far as I know, Cobra Reflexes is not a pet ability in vanilla.  It was added in TBC as an ability you could teach your pet.  It's possible the King Bangladesh npc has this ability, but if it's carrying forward to a tamed pet, then that is likely a bug that needs to be corrected.

It's not a bug.  King Bangalash is Unique.  If you untrain Bangalash after you get him, you lose the Cobra Reflexes talent he comes with when tamed.  It only speeds him up from a 2.00 to a 1.40 attack speed, which is hardly game breaking.

[Xylon666Darkstar 4]

6 minutes ago, Roxanne Flowers said:

Hey, just because I started saying that Screech Is Good for tanking assist doesn't mean that everyone needs to pile on the bandwagon...

Furious Howl buffs a 15 yard PBAoE around the Wolf.

Screech debuffs a melee range PBAoE around the Owl/Carrion/Bat.

It's not a bug.  King Bangalash is Unique.  If you untrain Bangalash after you get him, you lose the Cobra Reflexes talent he comes with when tamed.  It only speeds him up from a 2.00 to a 1.40 attack speed, which is hardly game breaking.

Has nothing to do with what you said about Screech, its not suddenly 'special' because you think you're the first ever to consider its use Maybe if you actually got into high end raiding, you'd have a better clue. Your name wasn't even mentioned. Please get over yourself.

Screech has been used as an alternative for AP reduction vs making fury warrior specc imp. demo to counteract Curse of Recklessness warlock debuff AP gain for armor reduction(it stacks with sunder armor for more physical damage increase on boss) since forever on retail vanilla , and high end PServer raiding guilds. Particularly BWL raids, going forward.

[Masterbait 10]

1 hour ago, Xylon666Darkstar said:

You only have stable space for 3 pets, so why top five?

So i can skip some like Lupos and Broken Tooth. I don't have much time to play and will not camp hours for a pet. 

[Drakbak 3]

If you don't have the time to camp, then don't.  Get a wolf with rank 4 howl and have fun.

[Xylon666Darkstar 4]

10 minutes ago, Masterbait said:

So i can skip some like Lupos and Broken Tooth. I don't have much time to play and will not camp hours for a pet. 

In that case, Wind Serpent for Lupos and/or ZG Bat or 1.20/1.30 attack speed cat for Broken Tooth. If you care, there is 1.20/1.30 attack speed wolves too from SFK/Hillsbrad Foothills, Burning Steppes Deathmaw rare, etc. Furious Howl R4 from Blackrock Spire wolf.

Son of Hakkar has nothing special to it.

Edited March 1, 2017 by Xylon666Darkstar

[gotmilk0112 10]

4 hours ago, Xylon666Darkstar said:

Broken Tooth and ZG bat, with their 1.0 attack speed makes them superior vs others of their type, due to the synergy with BM Flurry talent. More tacks in, more chances to crit, more flurry uptime which nets it a DPS increase vs slower speed attack pets of its type, making them both more valuable for PvE

It really doesn't matter. With a regular 1.2 attack speed cat, you will have 100% Frenzy uptime.

[Roxanne Flowers 15]

8 hours ago, Xylon666Darkstar said:

Has nothing to do with what you said about Screech, its not suddenly 'special' because you think you're the first ever to consider its use Maybe if you actually got into high end raiding, you'd have a better clue. Your name wasn't even mentioned. Please get over yourself.

I see that someone's Sense Of Humor was made by Gnomish Engineers and has backfired (again?).

https://forum.elysium-project.org/search/?&q=Screech

As you can see, prior to the mention in this thread, there were only 10 posts made that (previously) mentioned Screech anywhere in these forums, and I provided 5 of them.  Have other people mentioned Screech on occasion?  Sure.  They even did it before I could bring it up, so I definitely wasn't the first.  In fact, you might have noticed that I didn't even claim to be the first to have ever thought of using Screech as a supporting skill for tanking.

However, I do think I might have some claim on being the first person on these forums to actually RECOMMEND using Screech and provided a build strategy that could leverage it.  Sure, there might be posts elsewhere on other forums (going all the way back to 2004) which go into detail about Screech and how it ought to be leveraged to best advantage, but no one has cross-posted that historical info HERE or gone to the trouble of suggesting "this is why you want Screech" as part of a complete build strategy.

To your credit, Meldorain mentioned the possibility in a post (the only post they ever made) that is now over 2 months old which I would not presume a lot of people have read, let alone taken to heart (or remembered).

So the way I see it, you've got two options.  You can either keep sitting on your High Horse with your nose pointing skyward ... or you can consider the slim possibility that you overreacted to a bit of self-deprecating humor about not wanting everyone to jump on the bandwagon of using Screech Pets just because some n00b wrote a post that suggested it might be useful (maybe).  After all, what did I say that offended you so much?

9 hours ago, Roxanne Flowers said:

Hey, just because I started saying that Screech Is Good for tanking assist doesn't mean that everyone needs to pile on the bandwagon...

Furious Howl buffs a 15 yard PBAoE around the Wolf.

Screech debuffs a melee range PBAoE around the Owl/Carrion/Bat.

Your turn.