Is griefing your own faction bannable?

[Wazte 2]

Is doing things that are harmful towards your own faction ban-able? For example, you kite an elite mob to a questing hub so all the quest-givers die or if you sheep someone's quest mob so people can't finish the quest. This is quite a gray area which I'd like to see some light shed on. Is it entirely in the hands of the player base to handle these situations (like blacklisting them) or do we go a more Blizzlike way and ban the ones who in some sort ruins the experience for others? I'd love to see some response from the players as well as someone from the Elysium team! :)

[Hurricane2 2]

Both examples you cited are banable offenses.

Edited March 15, 2017 by Hurricane2

[Ragingducks 9]

I think these things should be part of the game, because the game has been designed to allow them.

If we go about them with a ban hammer, we're spending resources on things that don't deserve that level of attention and which are much more needed elsewhere. Elysium doesn't have the resources that Blizzard do, so we should really think about what's important and what's not.

[Watari 0]

Sheeping is not against the ToU, so not bannable, theres like 2 new topics everyday about this, search is your friend.

The first one however, about kitting mobs to kill questgivers IS bannable:

- Intentionally killing or disabling important quest NPCs for an extended period of time;

Please read the ToU before posting questions that are already answered =)

https://forum.elysium-project.org/topic/21966-terms-of-use-rules-regulations/

 

Edited March 15, 2017 by Watari

[Wazte 2]

1 minute ago, Watari said:

Sheeping is not against the ToU, so not bannable, theres like 2 new topics everyday about this, search is your friend.

The first one however, about kitting mobs to kill questgivers IS bannable:

- Intentionally killing or disabling important quest NPCs for an extended period of time;

Yes I saw it and I have understanding for your point, however I'd argue that sheeping an important quest NPC could also be interpreted under that line since it is a way of disabling it for its general purpose.

[Lorilay 12]

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[Watari 0]

1 minute ago, Wazte said:

Yes I saw it and I have understanding for your point, however I'd argue that sheeping an important quest NPC could also be interpreted under that line since it is a way of disabling it for its general purpose.

Easiest solution: Leave the area and come back later =)

[Hurricane2 2]

8 minutes ago, Watari said:

Sheeping is not against the ToU, so not bannable, theres like 2 new topics everyday about this, search is your friend.

The first one however, about kitting mobs to kill questgivers IS bannable:

- Intentionally killing or disabling important quest NPCs for an extended period of time;

Please read the ToU before posting questions that are already answered =)

https://forum.elysium-project.org/topic/21966-terms-of-use-rules-regulations/

 

You should follow your own advice and do some research because the admins have specifically stated you are not allowed to sheep quest mobs like the op was asking about.

[Watari 0]

1 minute ago, Hurricane2 said:

You should follow your own advice and do some research because the admins have specifically stated you are not allowed to sheep quest mobs like the op was asking about.

Yeah sure, that's why all topics regarding sheeping gets locked and there's not a single ban appeal about it =)

[Wazte 2]

1 minute ago, Watari said:

Easiest solution: Leave the area and come back later =)

Well, the reason I posted this topic was to tackle the 'harder' way out. I'd recommend your solution for the general case however.

[Hurricane2 2]

3 minutes ago, Watari said:

Yeah sure, that's why all topics regarding sheeping gets locked and there's not a single ban appeal about it =)

He asked a specific question about sheeping and you are generalizing it into a broader topic.  His specific example has been addressed by the admins and is a banable offense.

[Watari 0]

4 minutes ago, Wazte said:

Well, the reason I posted this topic was to tackle the 'harder' way out. I'd recommend your solution for the general case however.

I had someone sheeping my mobs once:

Entered Stealth, typed /dance, went to the bathroom to poop and take a shower, when i came back i was alone =)

Point is: the more attention you give to people that loves doing that, the more they're likely to keep going, same as lowbies ganking (which BTW i love to do :D)

Edited March 15, 2017 by Watari

[Watari 0]

Just now, Hurricane2 said:

He asked a specific question about sheeping and you are generalizing it into a broader topic.  His specific example has been addressed by the admins and is a banable offense.

Ok, so just report the person in game and wait =)

[Rickrolled 4]

So  dragging stitches back to darkshire is bannable?

[Wazte 2]

4 minutes ago, Watari said:

I had someone sheeping my mobs once:

Entered Stealth, type /dance, went to the bathroom to poop and take a shower, when i came back i was alone =)

Point is: the more attention you do to people that loves doing that, the more they're likely to keep going, same as lowbies ganking (which BTW i love to do :D)

Good point, however I feel in cases like these where a quest mob gets sheeped repeated times the players who feel affected by this might start expressing themselves wildly which in turn then implies the thing your point was against which furthermore gives the "sheeper" fuel to keep going. My thought is that if people knew that this was a ban-able offense from the start, then the case of the "sheeper" trying to get a reaction from the affected ones won't be something worth striving in the case of the "sheeper".

[Watari 0]

1 minute ago, Wazte said:

Good point, however I feel in cases like these where a quest mob gets sheeped repeated times the players who feel affected by this might start expressing themselves wildly which in turn then implies the thing your point was against which furthermore gives the "sheeper" fuel to keep going. My thought is that if people knew that this was a ban-able offense from the start, then the case of the "sheeper" trying to get a reaction from the affected ones won't be something worth striving in the case of the "sheeper".

Some people just like to watch the world burn... even if they get banned they'd just lvl another mage and keep going, as twisted as it may be (and it is not because fun is relative) , they like to annoy the hell out of people.

Same as me, i love to go to barrens and kill lowbies, because the thought of someone getting mad over a video game pleases me (yeah, i'm a psychopath xD) and for me it is more enjoyable than simply lvling to 60 and gear up =)

[Hurricane2 2]

11 minutes ago, Rickrolled said:

So  dragging stitches back to darkshire is bannable?

Stiches heads that way on his own so I have no clue why you'd use that as an example.  If you took him to the starting areas then obviously yes, that's banable.

I typed all that before reading your name.  I see I got trollled.

[Wazte 2]

10 minutes ago, Watari said:

Some people just like to watch the world burn... even if they get banned they'd just lvl another mage and keep going, as twisted as it may be (and it is not because fun is relative) , they like to annoy the hell out of people.

Same as me, i love to go to barrens and kill lowbies, because the thought of someone getting mad over a video game pleases me (yeah, i'm a psychopath xD) and for me it is more enjoyable than simply lvling to 60 and gear up =)

I suppose you have a point with people wanting to watch the world burn, but the least thing we can do is to make their effort bigger than the one we make :) Also you killing lowbies is totally fine since it is a PvP realm. The discussion I wanted to make was in the cases when it is towards your own faction.

[taladril 43]

2 hours ago, Hurricane2 said:

Stiches heads that way on his own so I have no clue why you'd use that as an example.  If you took him to the starting areas then obviously yes, that's banable.

I typed all that before reading your name.  I see I got trollled.

They have said that the kiting of strong mobs to quest areas is only bannable for the very early start areas (the lvl 1-6 areas). Places like goldshire etc are free game for shenanigans. The only time you'd run into problems is if you tried to lock down a quest hub for an extended amount of time. Extended would be on the order of multiple hours.