How much honor needed per rank

[thecrazyscot 16]

Can anyone tell me how much honor is needed per rank?  I was rank 2 (it dropped so much since i couldn't get a bg all through the 30s and 40s) and got almost 29k last weekend and I went up to around 35% in rank 3. I was sure it would have been at least rank 4. I tried reading around to see and got so many different answers so was wondering if anybody knew the exact formula of how it works here.

[Gunari 3]

It's based off of weekly standing, not honor.

29k honor may drastically change your rank one week, and minimally another. 

[thecrazyscot 16]

ok, thanks

[keck82 1]

install morunorank addon

at rank 8 i need like 50k to keep my rank and 200k to rank up

Edited March 26, 2017 by keck82

[thecrazyscot 16]

4 hours ago, keck82 said:

install morunorank addon

at rank 8 i need like 50k to keep my rank and 200k to rank up

Thanks

[Amph 5]

Morunorank is not accurate.

[gambinho 11]

Is there something really accurate? Morunorank is up to 20-30% wrong for me

[Storfan 24]

On 2017-03-24 at 8:09 PM, thecrazyscot said:

Can anyone tell me how much honor is needed per rank?  I was rank 2 (it dropped so much since i couldn't get a bg all through the 30s and 40s) and got almost 29k last weekend and I went up to around 35% in rank 3. I was sure it would have been at least rank 4. I tried reading around to see and got so many different answers so was wondering if anybody knew the exact formula of how it works here.

Once you get up to rank 10+ you'll have to take standings into consideration. If you actually consider to go for rank 14 you can probably expect to far like 800k honor/week to even beat the decay.

[Jawohl 3]

Honor = Standing = Rank Points = Rank Progress

standing 1(bracket 1) = 13 000 Rank Points ( Max progress you can get )
standing 2(bracket  2) = 12 000 Rank Points
standing 3(bracker 3) = 11 000 Rank Points
.....

Depending how many Rankers per Week there are will determine how many rankers will fit in a "bracket" that week. With healthy population like we have on Anathema, you can fit ~10 players in Bracket 1, usually.

Fitting in ~10 players in Bracket one can be done by following example : Decide that Bracket 1 honor cap = 710 500, and 10 players will "stack" honor to it.
player 1 = 710 500  - 13 000 RP
player 2 = 710 497  - 12 998 RP
player 3 = 710 489  - 12 996 RP
player 4 = 710 483  -  12 993 RP
....
player 10 = 710 425  -  12 967 RP
    ^  All these ten player are calculated as being "Standing 1" , even though they actually are Standing 1-10 because the Rankers per Week allows it to happen.

Bracket 2 is more flexible and with our population you can fit around 30 - 50 people in it with no problem. Having a "gap" of honor between Bracket 1 and Bracket 2 is required to "fool" the system thinking that Bracket 1 = Standing 1 and Bracket 2 = Standing 2, even though there are multiple players "sharing" the Standing.

player 11 = 610 500  - 12 000 RP 
player 12 = 610 496  - 11 998 RP
....
player 49 = 610 125  -  11 795 RP

Bracket 3 is usually "Free for All" where people dont work together or stack, they just fight for the "scraps" Rank points.

So this is how people "work together" so that everyone can get Max progress Rank Points per week and there is some kind of organization atleast. China and Euro and Russia working together, sometimes its hard.

 

[Jawohl 3]

About Ranking then : 
Rank 1 - 15HK
Rank 2 - 2000 RP
Rank 3 - 5000 RP
Rank 4 - 10000 RP
Rank 5 - 15000 RP
Rank 6 - 20000 RP
Rank 7 - 25000 RP
Rank 8 - 30000 RP
Rank 9 - 35000 RP
Rank 10 - 40000 RP
Rank 11 - 45000 RP
Rank 12 - 50000 RP
Rank 13 - 55000 RP
Rank 14 - 60000 RP

After Rank 3 there is always 5000 Rank points needed to reach the next rank.

So, when you want to know how much Rank points you need to reach next rank you need to know how much Rank points you currently have. You can use this script in~game to get your current progress for Rank Points : 
/script P=(math.floor(GetPVPRankProgress(target)*10000))/100 W=UnitPVPRank("player") N=(W-6)*5000+5000*P/100 Q=(W-5)*5000-N*0.8 SendChatMessage("Rank progress in %: "..P.."% ".."Current RP: "..N.." RP to next rank: "..Q.."","emote")

Lets say you are Rank 8, 50% in. You have 32 500 RP (R8 = 30K, 50% from 5000 = 2,5K)
Decay = 20% * Current RP   ,,, so 32 500 / 100 * 20 = 6500  ---> Your decay being Rank 8 at 50% progress is 6500 RP.
Taking in consideration how much Rank Points you loose, where you at  ---> 32 500 - 6 500 = 26 000 Rank Points.

How much do you need to reach next rank then ?  You wanted Rank9 and that requires total of 35 000 RP. With your R8 + 50% progress, after the Decay you have 26 000 RP. This means you need 9 000 Rank points to go from Rank8 50% to Rank9 1%.
 

Heres where it gets interesting , i give you example : 

Rank 12 = 50 000 RP
Decay for Rank 12 = 50 000 / 100 * 20 = 10 000

Rank 12 + 50% progress = 52 500 RP
Decay for Rank 12 + 50% progress = 52 500 / 100 * 20 = 10 500

Rank 12 + 80% progress = 54 000 RP
Decay for Rank 12 + 80% progress = 54 000 / 100 * 20 = 10 800
 

The further away you go and further away in your rank you are, the more Rank points you have, also meaning the more Decay you will get. Now remember that there are 5000 Rank points needed to jump from Rank to Another, and only to beat Decay at R12 is 10 000 - 11 000 RP, maximum you can get per week is 13 000 so you can only progress 1000-2000 Rank Points per week.

Say we are Rank 12 + 80% progress at 54 000 RP, our decay is 10 800.
54 000 - 10 800 = 43 200
We get Standing 1 (bracket1) = 13 000 RP

43 200 + 13 000 RP = 56 200 RP   ----> We reached Rank 13 + 24%

Rank 13 = 55 000 RP
Decay for Rank 13 = 55 000 / 100 * 20 = 11 000 RP

Rank 13 + 50% progress = 57 500 RP
Decay for Rank 13 + 50 progress = 57 500 / 100 * 20 = 11 500 RP

Rank 13 + 80% progress = 59 000 RP
Decay for Rank 13 + 80% progress = 59 000 / 100 * 20 = 11 800 RP

Being Rank 13 your decay will always be greater than 11 000 Rank Points so you must be Bracket 2 or Bracket 1 if you want progress.
Say you get Bracket 1 = 13 000 RP, 11 000 RP goes to your decay, you advance with 2 000 RP in your rank --> you have 57 000 RP now.
Now you need that 11 500 RP to beat decay, so if you get another 13 000 RP, you are left with 1 500 RP advance --> you have 58 500 RP now.
Now you need 11 800 RP to beat decay, so you get another 13 000 RP, you are left with 1 200 RP advance ---> you have 59 700 RP now.
You are 300 Rank Points away from being Rank 14, but you must play ONE more week to reach it.

[Jawohl 3]

so to put it simple, how to calculate where you going to :

A = Current Rank Points
B = Rank Points you are going to get
C = Decay

A-C+B = your new "current" RP

[Jawohl 3]

Can anyone tell me how much honor is needed per rank?  I was rank 2 (it dropped so much since i couldn't get a bg all through the 30s and 40s) and got almost 29k last weekend and I went up to around 35% in rank 3. I was sure it would have been at least rank 4. I tried reading around to see and got so many different answers so was wondering if anybody knew the exact formula of how it works here.

You were Rank2 ( 2000 Rank Points ) , and you reached Rank3 ~ 35% = 5000 + 1750 = 6 750RP

Rank2 Decay = 2 000 / 100 * 20 = 400 RP
2000 - 400 = 1600
from 1 600 you got all the way up to 6 750, so ... you got 5 150 Rank Points with 29K Honor. Being low level has some kind of effect in the calculations aswell, i cannot remember the values but you can Wiki them, but following your current pattern you can reach R5 atleast with those amounts of honor per week. ))

[thecrazyscot 16]

Wow, thanks for all that. I've read it a couple of times and will read it a few more before it becomes simple enough for me. I don't do very well with math like this unless I'm writing it down and doing it. But another question I had but figured it was stupid so never asked was, I know before 7 and after 7 are different decay amounts, but if I don't do any battlegrounds for a few weeks and decay a lot can I drop a rank or will it leave me at 0% of the rank I am on?

[Oakenlix 79]

@thecrazyscot ranks can deteriorate, so to keep your rank you have to keep pvping. 

You don't have to keep your rank to use the items that require rank though, if you've already bought them. 

[Jawohl 3]

Just as Oakenlix said.

Every week, there will be Decay. (20% from your current RP). Regardless if you play or not so there will be consequence if you dont play. :D

[thecrazyscot 16]

ok, thanks