The Zeth'Kur problem

[Hurricane2 2]

20 minutes ago, Dizeliun said:

DONT DO A FUCKING MERGER

LISTEN TO YOUR OWN COMMUNITY

Majority wants a merger.   You are demanding they cater to the minority at the expense of the majority.

[Dizeliun 0]

11 minutes ago, Hurricane2 said:

Majority wants a merger.   You are demanding they cater to the minority at the expense of the majority.

Manority wants choice you clearly have not been paying attention. They dont all want to be forced into an overcrowded gank fest. Some want to go to anathema and some to darrowshire. ALLOW THE CHOICE. 

[Hurricane2 2]

3 minutes ago, Dizeliun said:

Manority wants choice you clearly have not been paying attention. They dont all want to be forced into an overcrowded gank fest. Some want to go to anathema and some to darrowshire. ALLOW THE CHOICE. 

You already had a choice and now you want the admins to waste their limited time to fix your mistake.  Talk about not paying attention.

[Sesshomaru 1]

nobody told you to create a character on zk, if u want a new character in a new server, just reroll

[Dizeliun 0]

3 hours ago, Hurricane2 said:

You already had a choice and now you want the admins to waste their limited time to fix your mistake.  Talk about not paying attention.

Listen bro, I don't even play on Zethkur. I simply don't want 5 thousand people leave the project because people like you are too ignorant to realize the lasting impact if one of the realms is dead. It gives the project a bad look overall showing incompetence and apathy to addressing major issues.

Edited April 5, 2017 by Dizeliun

[Dizeliun 0]

38 minutes ago, Razors Edge said:

nobody told you to create a character on zk, if u want a new character in a new server, just reroll

The people on Zethkur are the more casual playerbase, they will NOT reroll and start all over again. If the server shuts down with no migration then say goodbye to thousands of loyal players just wanting a home with their characters.

 

Remember when Elysium merged Elysium-OLD with Nostalrius-PVP? with your logic that shouldn't of ever happened because Elysium-old server (300 pop) had an easier time leveling and grinding compared to Nost (13k pop). BUT GUESS WHAT! it happened, it merged and it worked out. 

[Sesshomaru 1]

21 minutes ago, Dizeliun said:

The people on Zethkur are the more casual playerbase, they will NOT reroll and start all over again. If the server shuts down with no migration then say goodbye to thousands of loyal players just wanting a home with their characters.

if they are so casual, why would they care about losing his characters?  i doubt that every "loyal player" will leave just because they didnt get a transfer to another server...

also, there is a ton of players stating they are planing to leave if they get merged with ZK

[Hurricane2 2]

1 hour ago, Dizeliun said:

Listen bro, I don't even play on Zethkur. I simply don't want 5 thousand people leave the project because people like you are too ignorant to realize the lasting impact if one of the realms is dead. It gives the project a bad look overall showing incompetence and apathy to addressing major issues.

Zeth is already dead.  What gives this project a bad look is doing nothing about it.  The best solution for the admins and players is to merge Ely and zeth.  You going around saying otherwise is ignorant on your part not mine.

[indi 10]

43 minutes ago, Razors Edge said:

if they are so casual, why would they care about losing his characters?  i doubt that every "loyal player" will leave just because they didnt get a transfer to another server...

also, there is a ton of players stating they are planing to leave if they get merged with ZK

All these anecdotal assumptions, basic numbers point to the vast majority preferring a merger. If we lose a hundred or so PvE carebears who unironically believe 300 pop servers are fun (looking at you Caber) then so be it. A merged server will bring back many who quit on Zeth, right now most people are banking for a merger and are either raid logging and taking a break until then.

Honestly, at this point and based on some information I've received, Elysium wouldn't be able to handle a straight merger due to a lack of dev resources, so we have to look at other options. Closing Zeth and allowing transfers to all 3 realms without any trade goods may be the best option if merger isn't possible for the devs.

Other than that, if they can't do a merge expect an exodus off Zeth faster than we are currently seeing as people will finally reroll to the bigger servers to get off the sinking ship.

[Melektaus 0]

If I can't transfer my warlock off Zeth to Elysium, I'm going back to my death knight on Warmane Lordaeron, I've already re-installed wotlk and the addons. Then joining their BC server when its released. Fuck this noise, we've been loyal even during the drama and devs leaving and they still won't hear the concerns of 67% of the population who wants a merge.

[Banezilla 2]

Just because they're not addressing the problem doesn't mean they're not listening.

[kastle 4]

3 hours ago, Melektaus said:

If I can't transfer my warlock off Zeth to Elysium, I'm going back to my death knight on Warmane Lordaeron, I've already re-installed wotlk and the addons. Then joining their BC server when its released. Fuck this noise, we've been loyal even during the drama and devs leaving and they still won't hear the concerns of 67% of the population who wants a merge.

there is literally a response from cogfather on the previous page, and you just threatened to leave if your concerns weren't met while in the same paragraph saying you're loyal.

lol

[Melektaus 0]

28 minutes ago, kastle said:

there is literally a response from cogfather on the previous page, and you just threatened to leave if your concerns weren't met while in the same paragraph saying you're loyal.

lol

That's right. Your point?

[kastle 4]

10 minutes ago, Melektaus said:

That's right. Your point?

your contradictions and lack of reading ability make you and your complaints look foolish, leave or don't no one here really cares?

[Melektaus 0]

51 minutes ago, kastle said:

your contradictions and lack of reading ability make you and your complaints look foolish, leave or don't no one here really cares?

Your opinion doesn't matter.

[Oakenlix 79]

5 minutes ago, Melektaus said:

Your opinion doesn't matter.

Just curious, then why did you ask him about his point in the first place?

[Dizeliun 0]

11 hours ago, Hurricane2 said:

Zeth is already dead.  What gives this project a bad look is doing nothing about it.  The best solution for the admins and players is to merge Ely and zeth.  You going around saying otherwise is ignorant on your part not mine.

Have you read anything that I've posted? god you are retarded.

 

 

[Dizeliun 0]

11 hours ago, indi said:

All these anecdotal assumptions, basic numbers point to the vast majority preferring a merger. If we lose a hundred or so PvE carebears who unironically believe 300 pop servers are fun (looking at you Caber) then so be it. A merged server will bring back many who quit on Zeth, right now most people are banking for a merger and are either raid logging and taking a break until then.

Honestly, at this point and based on some information I've received, Elysium wouldn't be able to handle a straight merger due to a lack of dev resources, so we have to look at other options. Closing Zeth and allowing transfers to all 3 realms without any trade goods may be the best option if merger isn't possible for the devs.

Other than that, if they can't do a merge expect an exodus off Zeth faster than we are currently seeing as people will finally reroll to the bigger servers to get off the sinking ship.

THIS. THIS. THIS.

[Hamblin 0]

5 minutes ago, Dizeliun said:

Have you read anything that I've posted? god you are retarded.

Insulting players with offensive language is not a productive response to something you care about. In the future, please word your responses carefully for the best impact. The staff has not forgotten what consists of 1/4 of the entire project, so please bear with us. Nothing here is immediate, I guarantee you that a majority of staff see the threads posted on the forums daily. No one here is ignored, so please just be patient with us as we try to work out the best solution for everyone involved.

[Dizeliun 0]

6 minutes ago, Hamblin said:

Insulting players with offensive language is not a productive response to something you care about. In the future, please word your responses carefully for the best impact. The staff has not forgotten what consists of 1/4 of the entire project, so please bear with us. Nothing here is immediate, I guarantee you that a majority of staff see the threads posted on these forums daily. No one here is ignored, so please just be patient with us as we try to work out the best solution for everyone involved.

DO NOT MERGE WITH ELYSIUM. Allow transfers off to any of the other servers. CLICK HERE TO SEE WHY

 

as for me calling that idiot a retard, I apologize but here is why I did it.

11 hours ago, Hurricane2 said:

Zeth is already dead.  What gives this project a bad look is doing nothing about it.  The best solution for the admins and players is to merge Ely and zeth.  You going around saying otherwise is ignorant on your part not mine.

He called me ignorant for saying "do not merge, allow transfers to all three realms" and most likely started his reply after reading "do not merge" not even reading my entire post. Merging with one single realm is the stupidest thing you guys can possible do. Go click on that link I posted above to understand why it should be a choice for Zeth to go to ANY REALM, not just forced into Elysium PVP.

[Hamblin 0]

4 minutes ago, Dizeliun said:

DO NOT MERGE WITH ELYSIUM. Allow transfers off to any of the other servers. CLICK HERE TO SEE WHY

 

as for me calling that idiot a retard, I apologize but here is why I did it.

He called me ignorant for saying "do not merge, allow transfers to all three realms" and most likely started his reply after reading "do not merge" not even reading my entire post. Merging with one single realm is the stupidest thing you guys can possible do. go click on that link I posted above to understand the why it should be a choice for Zeth to go to ANY REALM, not just forced into Elysium PVP.

Okay, I am very glad that you care about the project to the extent you do, but that does not make it okay to be offensive to other players who may care about the project the same amount you do... but do not explain it to such an extent. Assuming makes the worst out of all of us. I respect your opinions on what we should do, but the bottom line is that being rude to other players will not progress your goal here. It will not progress anyone's goal, no matter how passionate. So please, just take a second, and respect your fellow players. They enjoy playing here just as much as you do, and while their opinions may differ from yours, they should be respected and valued just as much.

[sporkineye 0]

the community here certainly is blizzlike, whining and trying to be as loud as possible to get what they want. just like the casuals in vanilla retail, and having the same effect.

[indi 10]

Just now, Dizeliun said:

 

We heard you bud, it is time to de-escalate not escalate. Your point was made.

[Dynamite 0]

13 hours ago, Razors Edge said:

if they are so casual, why would they care about losing his characters?  i doubt that every "loyal player" will leave just because they didnt get a transfer to another server...

also, there is a ton of players stating they are planing to leave if they get merged with ZK

It's alarming how toxic the Elysium playerbase is towards people playing on ZK.  The whole us & them attitude is pretty disgusting tbh.  All I see is a bunch of selfish  arrogant assholes that for some strange reason think they are more deserving of PVP ranks & gear than the people that play on other servers.

Some of the high ranking players have 45+ days played time on their accounts.  I have about 28 days myself.  I've farmed BIS raid gear, grinded to rank 10 & raided MC & Ony multiple times.  Why should I or any of the other people I play with just forget about the time invested and reroll fresh again??? 

The whole "casual server" bullshit is getting annoying.  If you want to progress your character in vanilla to a good standard it's virtually impossible to play casually.  You still have to grind rep, rng gear drops, professions, gold, consumables, premades & raiding. You also forget that most of us levelled to 60 at the start when the population was at 5k, so it wasn't the uncontested walk in the park you all think.  It may be very easy to level & do profs now but it certainly wasn't so easy back when the server first started.

I get why people want to merge even though it really doesn't effect me because I have a good guild that plays all aspects of the game together.  If we do eventually merge I would prefer to be given the option to move to another realm because I really don't want to play on Elysium.  It's not the over population that puts me off its the stinking attitude of the community on that server.

[Hurricane2 2]

6 hours ago, Dizeliun said:

DO NOT MERGE WITH ELYSIUM. Allow transfers off to any of the other servers. CLICK HERE TO SEE WHY

 

as for me calling that idiot a retard, I apologize but here is why I did it.

He called me ignorant for saying "do not merge, allow transfers to all three realms" and most likely started his reply after reading "do not merge" not even reading my entire post. Merging with one single realm is the stupidest thing you guys can possible do. Go click on that link I posted above to understand why it should be a choice for Zeth to go to ANY REALM, not just forced into Elysium PVP.

You're ignorant because you're only thinking about it from the players perspective and not the admins.  The options you want are the ones that would strain the admins time the most.