Stop Premades or Enable Double Que

[Jdude2021 1]

PvP is all but dead on Elysium server...Everyday its the same damn thing...

Grizzlys / Praise / The Twilight (ally guilds) run premades ALL day in bgs..It always one of these three guilds (usually mixed up in the premade) that have like 6 marshals, 3 field marshals and a bunch of Knight-Lts vs Horde non premades with 2 warlords and the rest range from grunt-whatever...I've only seen TWO high warlords on horde side, one priest and one rogue...and yet I see many field marshals and marshals on alliance side...Usually there are 3 premade groups going for alliance, so the odds of getting thrown into a fair matchup are very low. (Usually the only time I dont see premades is from 11pm-5am GMT)

When horde sees these premades they AUTOMATICALLY GIVE UP, usually you have half the group afk at the entrance while the other half afks at Farm..Its annoying to only be able to que up for AB (Wsg que takes HOURS) and constanly match after match run into Premades where you lose, horde doesnt even get to 100 points, and you dont even get 100honor..

So please, either make it so groups can only que up to a maximum of 5 or enable double que so that people can que for WSG and AB. I understand that opening up double que makes for easy win trading..But honestly what is the difference at this point? Ally knows they can always win if they just get a premade of 15 and que up for AB..So yea.. Fix please?

[Parla 1]

High warlord is rank14.
Field marshal is rank13.
That is why you see more Field Marshals than High warlords.

Also we stack in brackets to optimize honor on alliance so everyone get the most Rank Progress possible.
Which means alliance will have more high rank players than horde despite a smaller population.

From what I have seen, most horde players queue solo instead of trying to run a premade despite running a premade is more efficient for honor and makes ranking more fun because you are playing with other likeminded players.
Also it would mean no players on your team would AFK.

The situation will become better later however, since most of the alliance premades are 4-5 weeks away from being done ranking.
However your queues will become worse as a result of it when you don't have 5-7 alliance premades opening games against you every 7 minutes.

[fdgmolmosfimu 0]

Actually the number of High ranks for horde and alliance is very similar

Horde :

2 R14

6 R13

28 R12

Alliance :

1 R14

13 R13

29 R12

[Dunkz 1]

Alliance just has 50x the amount of super nerds. Horde has a lot more casuals. This is why we lose bgs to premades and horde cbf to do anything about it. Even myself I cbf, done in a week. 

[Justme 9]

How will double queue fix it? Soubds like itll only make things worse

[csant 3]

21 hours ago, Dunkz said:

Alliance just has 50x the amount of super nerds. Horde has a lot more casuals. This is why we lose bgs to premades and horde cbf to do anything about it. Even myself I cbf, done in a week. 

This is 100% true. Horde have a hell of a lot more casaul/carebears. Hopefully that will change once this current group of hordies hit 60. =) 

[Wrathran 4]

22 hours ago, Dunkz said:

Alliance just has 50x the amount of super nerds. Horde has a lot more casuals. This is why we lose bgs to premades and horde cbf to do anything about it. Even myself I cbf, done in a week. 

Do you have evidence to support your claim?

Start by defining a "super nerd". Next provide evidence on how many there are on each side. Next define "casuals" and then show evidence that Horde have more of those.

Also define who these "we" are that you talk about. Is that people (you) who join battlegrounds solo and loose to premades and base their opinion on this but then later present it as facts without evidence?

[flowqz 34]

12 minutes ago, Wrathran said:

Do you have evidence to support your claim?

Start by defining a "super nerd". Next provide evidence on how many there are on each side. Next define "casuals" and then show evidence that Horde have more of those.

Also define who these "we" are that you talk about. Is that people (you) who join battlegrounds solo and loose to premades and base their opinion on this but then later present it as facts without evidence?

evidence?

think alliance had double the amount of 60s in the first few weeks, despite having less players.

alliance also gets worldbosses despite having less players, cause of some hardcore guilds.

 

[Parla 1]

5 minutes ago, flowqz said:

evidence?

think alliance had double the amount of 60s in the first few weeks, despite having less players.

alliance also gets worldbosses despite having less players, cause of some hardcore guilds.

 

Alliance has 6+ premades running 20 hours a day.
Horde has 1 premade at most and they only like 2-3 hours at a time.

[Aziz 1]

Also look at raidstats, top 50 dps/hps on boss fights are 45 alliance 5 horde.

[csant 3]

Yeah, running 20+ is considered nerdish... lol.

Like someone mention people do not have the time they had 12 years. 20+ days arent happening for a lot of people and it seems like horde have those people. 

Hopefully 4/5 hours a day will be good enough. =) 

[Wrathran 4]

56 minutes ago, flowqz said:

evidence?

think

When you provide evidence that start with the word "think" you have not fully understood what evidence is. Maybe that is why you write "evidence?" with a questionmark...

All I am trying to convey is that if you present a claim you need evidence to support that claim. It's ok to provide ideas and opinion but then you should not present them as a fact.

50 minutes ago, Parla said:

Alliance has 6+ premades running 20 hours a day.
Horde has 1 premade at most and they only like 2-3 hours at a time.

Ok, but do you have evidence to support your claim? Where can I find facts that support your claim? And is people who play pvp in battlegrounds "super nerds"?
You don't write that you think, or that you have heard or that it's your opinion or comment, you write this as a fact. Also, even if you do provide evidence for your claim, what have you proven? Is premades run by these "super nerd"`? I mean no one have defined what a "super nerd" is yet.

 

With all bullshit claims without evidence surrounding this server and even all media with fake news people should stop spreading claims without evidence. That's all.

 

Oh and on topic. Did vanilla have double queues or did vanilla retail prevent premades? You are playing on a "blizz like" vanilla realm that try to clone vanilla retail as much as possible. It's very simple actually. Asking for changes that are not "bizz like" here is stupid.

[flowqz 34]

16 minutes ago, Wrathran said:

When you provide evidence that start with the word "think" you have not fully understood what evidence is. Maybe that is why you write "evidence?" with a questionmark...

All I am trying to convey is that if you present a claim you need evidence to support that claim. It's ok to provide ideas and opinion but then you should not present them as a fact.

 

sorry i didnt make screenshots back than in case some crazy froum guy, that is unable to use his brain, wants evidence on which side is more hardcore.

 

seriously its not that hard to realise. if you need evidence try to find it yourself, everyone else gets it.

 

ill help you out once again:

alliance has less players but got 1st lv60 player, 1st rag, 1st azu 1st kazzak and has way more high ranked guys.

[Wrathran 4]

18 minutes ago, flowqz said:

some crazy froum guy

Yes not accepting claims presented as facts without evidence makes me crazy.... I would say it makes me the opposite. People who accept claims without evidence are the crazy, or at least dumb.

 

18 minutes ago, flowqz said:

seriously its not that hard to realise. if you need evidence try to find it yourself, everyone else gets it.

Get's what? What do "everyone" gets? Who are these "everyone"?
What are a "super nerd" and what are a "casual", we still haven't defined what they are.

So define the following:

"we"
"everyone"
"super nerd"
"casuals"

Then after defining what they are, present evidence for your claims, or, also totally ok, change your position from a factual claim, to an, opinion or personal observation.

 

18 minutes ago, flowqz said:

ill help you out once again:

alliance has less players but got 1st rag, 1st azu 1st kazzak and has way more high ranked guys.

Awesome, but what does this prove? Are they the undefined "super nerds"?

[Wrathran 4]

20 minutes ago, flowqz said:

wants evidence on which side is more hardcore.

I have never asked for that though. Why do you claim I have asked for evidence of what side is more "hardcore".

Also, please define what "hardcore" is.

[csant 3]

Seriously if you are asking for definitions on "super nerd" and "Hardcore" at this day and age. I for one, don't want to feed the troll.

Wait. let me save you the next post/question... "whats a troll?" 

[Aziz 1]

this is some /r/iamverysmart cringe. lol

[Wrathran 4]

12 minutes ago, csant said:

Seriously if you are asking for definitions on "super nerd" and "Hardcore" at this day and age. I for one, don't want to feed the troll.

Wait. let me save you the next post/question... "whats a troll?" 

So I am crazy and a troll for asking for the definition of words used in claims without evidence.

Just define your meaning of a "super nerd" and "harcore" (I mean it's clear that hardcore is used on someone who plays "a lot", but how much? And when do someone change from a "casual" into a "hardcore"?) and provide evidence for your factual claims. That will shut me up. promise.

or

Change your position from a factual claim into an opinion or personal observation.

[csant 3]

how about you just stop posting on our thread if you have nothing constructive to add. I think "we" would like that more... 

[Wrathran 4]

11 minutes ago, csant said:

how about you just stop posting on our thread if you have nothing constructed to add. I think "we" would like that more... 

It's extremely important and constructive to call out people for using claims without evidence.

On topic. It's not "blizz like" so it's stupid to even ask for it on a "blizz like" server. Only time there is something to discuss is when something is not "blizz like" for whatever reason.
What OP is saying is really that Elysium should not be "blizz like" anymore. I strongly disagree. That's my plain and simple opinion.

The most constructive thing I can do is to try and make people stop making factual claims without evidence and instead present them as open and honest opinions or personal observations.

[Dunkz 1]

2 hours ago, Wrathran said:

Do you have evidence to support your claim?

Start by defining a "super nerd". Next provide evidence on how many there are on each side. Next define "casuals" and then show evidence that Horde have more of those.

Also define who these "we" are that you talk about. Is that people (you) who join battlegrounds solo and loose to premades and base their opinion on this but then later present it as facts without evidence?

You're a super nerd by definition. 

[Wrathran 4]

6 minutes ago, Dunkz said:

You're a super nerd by definition. 

Ok that's fine. Your definition (please correct me if I get this wrong) of a "super nerd" is someone who ask for evidence on factual claims and who ask for definitions of made up words.

I don't think other people used "super nerd" in that context though, but hey, you can define any word in any way you want if that makes you happy. Doesn't make any sense though in my opinion.

 

Great, now we have defined what a "super nerd" is. Awesome!

On 2017-04-10 at 5:03 PM, Dunkz said:

Alliance just has 50x the amount of super nerds. 

Now provide evidence for you claim. Thanks.

[Cleave_GG 0]

5 minutes ago, Wrathran said:

Now provide evidence for you claim. Thanks.

look ally/horde ratio then pve content cleared/speeds what more u want m8

[Fotrogue 0]

Are you really that stupid that you think casuals is a made up word? Bury your head in quicksand for 15 minutes and then come back.

[Wrathran 4]

4 minutes ago, Fotrogue said:

Are you really that stupid that you think casuals is a made up word? Bury your head in quicksand for 15 minutes and then come back.

So what is the definition of the word then? Just define it and make me shut up...
What does it take to be considered a casual and when does a casual change from a casual into say, a hardcore? I mean it's an English Word that is printed in the Dictionary, but how do you define the word in this context?

First step is to define the words used as they have different meaning to different people and different contexts. Second step is to provide evidence for the claims where that word is being used.

or

Just say it's not a fact and just an opinion or personal observation.