Suggestion: Start a new server every 4 months, and merge the earlier one with an older server.

[Fleurty 0]

I put this suggestion, because by the time, players seek new fresh servers, either they already are playing on Elysium or have not played here before.
With this suggestion, it will always be a newer server, or a new server that is starting up soon, for everyone.

I figured about some alternatives in this suggestion:

Alternative 1.
If using 4 month as an example:
Then this server will progress 4 month from lowest patch and up to highest patch, transfer/merge characters to an older server that is permanent (that is the end-station for characters), and then restart from lowest patch again.

Alternative 2.
Using 2 temporary servers instead of one, and the time can stretch to 8 month instead, before mergeing with the permanent server.
The 2 servers lasts 8 month each before a reset, while there is a 4 month difference between them in timeline.

Sum:
In the end, there would be 2 or 3 servers that is part in this "layout", one permanent end-server, and 1 or 2 progress-servers.
(The 4 or 8 month is used as an example, where I have no really insight what the best time-line would be.)

Partial ideas or rules that come to mind:
- Players are not allowed (or allowed) to start a new character at the end-server directly (or if not already have a character there).
- The same with middle-phase-server if there is 2 progress-servers (to be allowed or not allowed to start a character there directly where 4 months already have past).
- There could be an option for players, to transfer a character to the server with lower progress-stage, when the server and character is about the merge with the permanent end-server. This would be as a way of getting more time for a player/character to progress at that stage, and have some advantages (?) in compare to the timeline of X months. Basically, it means that the realm-characters stay at that server when it resets. What they get to keep and lose, would probably be a discussion of its own, but reputation, professions and mount is what I first think of. Other items that belongs to a higher patch, is perhaps not legal on a lower patched server/or not usable. If there is 2 progress-servers, this could be enabled at the second stage right before a merge will happen to the end-server, while the newest server would be "clean" from higher leveled players.
- Competition. First to level 60 on a new server, gets a reward. Free epic mount-training + a mount / or code for some epic tradecard. Second and third price, gets a reduced price on mount-skill / less valuable codes. And perhaps other rewards for different achievements on the progressive server(s) for being first.

 

[brocksamson62 0]

4 servers is already too much as it is, and now you would suggest an additional 3? 

You realize servers cost money, right? A server like Zeth'Kur with a median of 600 people online is NOT paying for itself, on the contrary, players from Anathema, Darrowshire+Elysium are paying the costs of Zeth'kur everytime they donate; your suggestion only increases the burden players from the other 3 servers would have to take in order to maintain 3 additional dead servers.

[Banezilla 2]

I like the idea of releasing a new progression server every 6 months or so. The other EQ private servers do the same thing. It's sort of like a season for Diablo 2 or POE.

 

The question is, what do you do with it after the season is up? Merge it with Anathema? ha!

 

I'm assuming these servers are just VMs? It should be easy to do, just copy pasta.

[Forest_ 40]

I'm not sure you fully grasp the logistics of 'just opening' and 'just merging' servers. There is a lot of planning that goes into this type of stuff and it isn't easy by any means.

Also the population is already slightly suffering on Anathema due to the number of people who were given the option to reroll on Elysium (I still stand by the idea that this was a terrible decision to open a fresh server to begin with).

So the idea of opening a new server every 6 months and 'just merging' the old ones together makes absolutely no sense.

Need a GM up in here soon TM to say no and lock this thread.

0/10 idea

[Roxy 8]

1 hour ago, Forest_ said:

I'm not sure you fully grasp the logistics of 'just opening' and 'just merging' servers. There is a lot of planning that goes into this type of stuff and it isn't easy by any means.

Also the population is already slightly suffering on Anathema due to the number of people who were given the option to reroll on Elysium (I still stand by the idea that this was a terrible decision to open a fresh server to begin with).

So the idea of opening a new server every 6 months and 'just merging' the old ones together makes absolutely no sense.

Need a GM up in here soon TM to say no and lock this thread.

0/10 idea

This idea is of course not realistic until all the realms have finished the vanilla timeline, or at the earliest when Anathema has completed Naxxramas so they can dump the characters there when the ladder completes.

And yelling out for a lock on a suggestion you dont like? What are you twelve? 

I personally dont like his suggestion because he seems to only want it because he is bored of farming MC, but the idea of a ladderbased vanilla timeline is interresting. Though i feel 4 months is too short, 8-12 would be a sweetspot, 2-3 month tiers.

Another benefit is that it would make the next tier more challenging cause you wont have your entire raid geared in BiS items by the time next tier releases.

[Hurricane2 2]

1 hour ago, Forest_ said:

Also the population is already slightly suffering on Anathema due to the number of people who were given the option to reroll on Elysium (I still stand by the idea that this was a terrible decision to open a fresh server to begin with).

I for one would not be playing here if they didn't open up a fresh realm.  Zeth'Kur was a mistake but an understandable one.  If the anathema server was the only one that existed it would indeed likely have more population than it does now but the overall number of players for the project would be way down from current totals.

[gaudiman 0]

the point of this,is to give new players a chance to find each other and associate..

i started like 3 weeks ago....im not 60 yet but its already hopeless to find a future on the server,wether its the communication barrier between me and 50% russians or the mentality between me and the 40% millenial kids

the 10% im looking for has already built their bubble...

its a waste of time trying to create a new mc raid on an existing server...joining one is boring too...dont want to be geared effortless

and that is making basicly a high percentage of all kinds of new people quit..

announcing a new server a month ahead tho,would momentarily regress the population,but blast up big time on release...

we,the newcomers, are waiting for such an announcement...

in the meantime you will keep losing potential players just because its not fun to play on established realms...and im sure the number of players lost is already in the 5digits,because nobody wants to play on established realms where everything is already accomplished!

you start out as a minion and always will stay a minion

[Roxy 8]

9 minutes ago, gaudiman said:

the point of this,is to give new players a chance to find each other and associate..

i started like 3 weeks ago....im not 60 yet but its already hopeless to find a future on the server,wether its the communication barrier between me and 50% russians or the mentality between me and the 40% millenial kids

the 10% im looking for has already built their bubble...

its a waste of time trying to create a new mc raid on an existing server...joining one is boring too...dont want to be geared effortless

and that is making basicly a high percentage of all kinds of new people quit..

announcing a new server a month ahead tho,would momentarily regress the population,but blast up big time on release...

we,the newcomers, are waiting for such an announcement...

in the meantime you will keep losing potential players just because its not fun to play on established realms...and im sure the number of players lost is already in the 5digits,because nobody wants to play on established realms where everything is already accomplished!

you start out as a minion and always will stay a minion

Your post is some of the most rediculus i've read in a long time.

There is clearly a communication barrier, but new servers every few months won't help you with that, calling 90% of the players here for Russians and Millenials, i wouldnt want to have you in my circle either when you start your post with something like that. You won't have a good time in a game that is focused on teamplay when you have a attitude like that.

You arent even 60 yet and you talk about creating MC raids: Lvl up, do dungeons, and find players you want to play with, talk with them, start a new guild together, or join theirs.

New servers every few months just so that every player can get a illusion of playing on a fresh server will do nothing but harm all the servers in the long run. Vanilla needs servers with a stable population, if not the server will die off. If you create a new server all the time, all the new players will start on the newest server, and you end up with 10 dead servers instead of having 1-2 great ones.

Being a new player and joining in the middle of Vanilla is no problem, you just need to communicate with people, join a guild get friends, have fun with them, you can catch up pretty easy since a lot of dungeon blues are almost as good as raid epics until you start getting to AQ.

Creating a NEW guild is hard if you join this late yes, but every player doesnt need to be guildmaster of the 1# raidguild on the server, they need to get friends that they enjoy playing with, and you do that by joining other guilds or doing dungeons.

The server may lose a few potential players, but with your suggestion, the server will lose a lot more current active players, and eventually the servers will be empty, and empty servers will attract no new players at all.
 

Elysium got 3 servers when ZK closes. 1 is completely fresh, 2nd ain't even halfway trough vanilla, and the 3rd are slightly over halfway trough, you can't get better options than this.   

You start out as a minion, but it's how you play that decide if you stay one. If you act like a child, people will treat you like one.

[gaudiman 0]

indeed,there is a communication barrier,so whats wrong with me pointing that out?russians ignore you because they either want to be with their own or cant understand you anyway...so what does my sense for teamplay has to do with the reality im pointing out?

its not hard to create a new guild,but it is hard to create one thats going to accomplish something on elysium...especialy with all the established guilds that offer the easy way of instant gear and can invite endlessly - argue with that?if yes,dont read further(just cant handle people that close their mind as long as they are right)

millenials dont wanna build something new,they love the established...i had the argument with some guy who joined the supposed to be number one guild

after tabling his great screenshots from times back then...

and i asked him why he would do that...he responded with:

"whats wrong with that?"

then i asked:

"are you here for the items or for the trial?"

they say leveling,wiping and all the pain that game has to offer is part of the experience and enhances the enjoyment of all the things that are enjoyable...

but thats how millenials work...they only see the goal,they dont seem to enjoy the way to get there - and this guy is a masterpiece of how people are ticking here!

you are also a masterpiece of a one perspective guy who desperately wants to trashtalk anything besides his opinion - that is what a millenial is about ..."me me me - everything else is wrong or sucks"!

i dont say that they should release a server every few months,but right now its definitely time for a new server to be released...i saw many people give up in the 20´s  and 30´s due to getting farmed to hard by no lifer 60 hordes which obviously had nothing else to do besides burning their time to burn ours!

such people were a fking exception back in the days...here tho,it feels like half of em think "its alright as long as i dont get banned" - not a shred of moral or shame...not even in a video game...and i am supposed to treat them like people i want to socialize with?i can only spit in their face,cant offer more than that to such people...

this is my personal opinion and i belive it to be true...because its what im experiencing here...the truth is,especialy in these times,very offending and not ridicioules! - just because you lack the ability to get a better viewpoint,its not ridicioules...

now lets get away from this topic here...

..if they were to announce a new server 1 month ahead,advertise it on youtubechannels or whatever,ill assure you,the population will at least outdo the other 2 servers,constantly...

 

[Roxy 8]

I don't wana ruin this suggestion thread by discussing this, but wow your post is so full of hypocrisy.

6 hours ago, gaudiman said:

indeed,there is a communication barrier,so whats wrong with me pointing that out?russians ignore you because they either want to be with their own or cant understand you anyway...so what does my sense for teamplay has to do with the reality im pointing out?

The language barrier im talking about is on your end, you refuse to accept people for wanting something else than you, and that make them "russsians" and "Millenials" so people probably don't want to talk with you.

 

6 hours ago, gaudiman said:

ts not hard to create a new guild,but it is hard to create one thats going to accomplish something on elysium...especialy with all the established guilds that offer the easy way of instant gear and can invite endlessly - argue with that?if yes,dont read further(just cant handle people that close their mind as long as they are right)

Well obviously it's not hard to buy a guild charter and get it signed duh.

You talk like Elysium is at the end of vanilla and all the guilds have completed everything there is to complete and that is just plain wrong, these players want to experience more than just MC, so they prepare for the next content by joining already established guilds which will give them a chance at doing the next content, instead of creating a new guild with some guy who calls people who don't agree with him for Millenials

6 hours ago, gaudiman said:

millenials dont wanna build something new,they love the established...i had the argument with some guy who joined the supposed to be number one guild

I wouldnt wanna build something with you either, when you call people names for wanting to be with the better players on the server, It's not because of "The love of the etablished" but it is preparing for BWL, AQ and Naxx, noone really care about progressing MC, since there are PuG's clearing it every week. 

 

6 hours ago, gaudiman said:

you are also a masterpiece of a one perspective guy who desperately wants to trashtalk anything besides his opinion - that is what a millenial is about ..."me me me - everything else is wrong or sucks"!

i dont say that they should release a server every few months,but right now its definitely time for a new server to be released...i saw many people give up in the 20´s  and 30´s due to getting farmed to hard by no lifer 60 hordes which obviously had nothing else to do besides burning their time to burn ours!

I'm sorry, you are the only one here who don't see other perspectives than your own, i explained pretty well WHY opening a new server was not a good idea, but somehow you fail to talk about any of the reasons i gave you. 

 

I'm not gonna touch upon the ganking part, i play on a PvE realm for that reason
 

[gaudiman 0]

i repeat:

argue with that?if yes,dont read further(just cant handle people that close their mind as long as they are right)

my stance is the one of a newcomer - since i didnt say a single thing about such things in game so far,i doubt that you could come to the conclusion who i am in game...so "i wouldnt want with you" is not an argument here,and that you have used it 3 times...are you so selfunaware?do you just write down what comes to your mind and then call it "this is right"?

isnt it what i just said about your kin?shall i repeat again? "me me me - everything else is wrong or sucks"!

your perspective IS OF COURSE DIFFERENT,OR ARE YOU A NEW PLAYER???

fkin idiot...

[Justme 9]

Can't OP just make himself a new guild and invite the players he does quests/dungeons with?

[sumeht 9]

If we release a new server every 4 months for the people obsessed with starting over we wont have to script aq/naxx  *thinking*

[Hurricane2 2]

Guadiman, the issues you are having are not going to be fixed by having a constant stream of fresh realms.  You should look into playing a different game as it sounds like the main draws of WoW vanilla and this project are not suited to your play styles or attitude.

[Roxy 8]

3 hours ago, gaudiman said:

i repeat:

argue with that?if yes,dont read further(just cant handle people that close their mind as long as they are right)

my stance is the one of a newcomer - since i didnt say a single thing about such things in game so far,i doubt that you could come to the conclusion who i am in game...so "i wouldnt want with you" is not an argument here,and that you have used it 3 times...are you so selfunaware?do you just write down what comes to your mind and then call it "this is right"?

isnt it what i just said about your kin?shall i repeat again? "me me me - everything else is wrong or sucks"!

your perspective IS OF COURSE DIFFERENT,OR ARE YOU A NEW PLAYER???

fkin idiot...

You open your first response with a insult to 90% of the server, that is what i base my assumption of your personality

You keep ignoring my reasoning for why this suggestion was a bad idea, you only focus on me not agreeing with you. And THAT is why i wouldnt want you in my groups.

 

Yes my perspective is different, but i have also been where you are. New player on a 3-4 month old realm. I joined a guild which had just started raiding, now we're one of the top guilds on Darrowshire where i am a officer.

And i know many people that even started way way later into progression that managed to make a name of themselves, but that is not done by giving up before reaching 60 and insulting other people.

 

[Banezilla 2]

Releasing a new server every 6 months might be a little too frequent depending on the server timeline. A fresh server every year will attract new players looking for a fresh start much like Elysium did.

 

The fresh servers were an awesome idea, look at the Elysium population compared to the dead Anathema.

[Roxy 8]

55 minutes ago, Banezilla said:

Releasing a new server every 6 months might be a little too frequent depending on the server timeline. A fresh server every year will attract new players looking for a fresh start much like Elysium did.

 

The fresh servers were an awesome idea, look at the Elysium population compared to the dead Anathema.

Every year is a bit too often if not the timeline is increased, you would want for servers to remain healthy during its entire timeline, and not just until people get tired of farming MC. And the people who keeps rolling on new servers all the time arent the kind of players a healthy vanilla realm should be aiming for.

 

And the Anathema vs Elysium is a bad comparison.

Anathema was shut down for almost a year before it got rebooted, a huge portion never returned. In the meanwhile vanilla realms got a massive media coverage, drawing thousands of new players into the vanilla scene, most of which wanted a new server over one that was a year old.

Making a new realm now would not draw even 10% of the initial hype that elysium recieved unless it offers something special, like what i thought this OP was suggesting to begin with.

[Banezilla 2]

The Anathema vs Elysium comparison is good for showing that releasing a fresh server was a good idea. It shows that most of these people don't want to play with BWL geared entitled brats. In response to Forest.

[Banezilla 2]

1 hour ago, Roxy said:

Every year is a bit too often if not the timeline is increased, you would want for servers to remain healthy during its entire timeline, and not just until people get tired of farming MC. And the people who keeps rolling on new servers all the time arent the kind of players a healthy vanilla realm should be aiming for.

 

And the Anathema vs Elysium is a bad comparison.

Anathema was shut down for almost a year before it got rebooted, a huge portion never returned. In the meanwhile vanilla realms got a massive media coverage, drawing thousands of new players into the vanilla scene, most of which wanted a new server over one that was a year old.

Making a new realm now would not draw even 10% of the initial hype that elysium recieved unless it offers something special, like what i thought this OP was suggesting to begin with.

Releasing a new server right now isn't a good idea. I do like the idea of a new server when Elysium has progressed past AQ/Naxx though.

[Alright 20]

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