Shammies OP in vailla?

[Badmutafuka 0]

Just recently signed up gents, this vanilla gaming is a blast!  I seem to remember shammies being OP in vanilla.  However, I don't get that vibe from reading the shammy forum here.  Am I remembering wrong?  Are any of its specs OP?

Thanks!

[Rafale 6]

Shamelem 30/0/21 or 31/0/20 is very OP in pvp at 60 (insane burst with Lightning bolt + Chain Lightning + Shock) but no one want a shamelem in pve because you don't have enough mana and you bring less than a shamheal (u can heal with some healing gear).

Enh Sham is OK in pvp but not as good as shamelem, because you don't control your burst, and you re weaker than a shamelem (no shield). Unbreakable video is a myth, it doesn't show the reality, WF is only a 20% proc so 80% of your swings are not proccing WF... never forget that before reroll. In pve, you need the nightfall axe, and you need to kill the other enh shammy of your guild.

Shamheal is OK in pvp, and very useful in PVE thanks to Chain Heal rank 1, mp5 gear, and totems.

[Liftus 0]

Hey i ran 0/21/30 for pvp with all defensives. Very tanky and pretty op. Had a mix of t1 and some t2 and it was awesome.

[Egregious 1]

Resto Shamans are OP all time, ever time.

[Indarctos 0]

On 5/7/2017 at 9:24 AM, Egregious said:

Resto Shamans are OP all time, ever time.

Egregious, Would it be possible for you to post your guide of Resto Shaman somewhere? The forum where it used to be is gone

Thanks in advance

[Egregious 1]

Something the fuck happened to that website. I'm actually hella pissed now because my work may have potentially been deleted.

[Kvel 0]

You can still get it using a cached version: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:SYOUHlgGSUUJ:www.classicwow.com/forum/topic/15129-the-egregious-guide-to-resto-shaman/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ru&client=opera

Don't know if this works for recovering the layout though.

[dogg 0]

any serious horde premade will have an elemental shaman

[Kvel 0]

Seems like even the cache is down now. I uploaded a mirror: 

https://kvel2d.github.io/html5games/egregious-shaman-guide/

You can get the raw files here as well: 

https://github.com/Kvel2D/html5games/tree/gh-pages/egregious-shaman-guide

[jmul1212 7]

On 6/25/2017 at 10:01 AM, Rafale said:

Shamelem 30/0/21 or 31/0/20 is very OP in pvp at 60 (insane burst with Lightning bolt + Chain Lightning + Shock) but no one want a shamelem in pve because you don't have enough mana and you bring less than a shamheal (u can heal with some healing gear).

Enh Sham is OK in pvp but not as good as shamelem, because you don't control your burst, and you re weaker than a shamelem (no shield). Unbreakable video is a myth, it doesn't show the reality, WF is only a 20% proc so 80% of your swings are not proccing WF... never forget that before reroll. In pve, you need the nightfall axe, and you need to kill the other enh shammy of your guild.

Shamheal is OK in pvp, and very useful in PVE thanks to Chain Heal rank 1, mp5 gear, and totems.

Pretty much this.

Enhance!

 

PVE!

http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#hxcZxVbdVM

This is the core raiding setup you will need for Enhance.  You NEEEEEED a nightfall or you are a gimp.  You are a support class!  

1. Keep up proper totems

2. Cure Poison/Disease

3. Heal Group, and Raid

4. Kick with Rank1 Earth Shock

5. Earth Shock adds off healers and run to tanks

6. DPS!!!!!

 

PVP!

Spec1

http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#hVfzLMhZxibkV0ux

I prefer Elemental Fury over Stormstrike.  Stormstrike is expensive on Mana.  

Spec2

http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#hVcZxibkV0utx0xz

That 1 point can go into Earthbind radius in Ele Tree or Hitchance in Resto Tree

Spec1 is more damage, Spec2 is more controlled.  Spec1 needs a 3 set of T1 for totem range.  Belt, Shoulders, and Legs are the best imo.  Spec2 is better for higher gear level.

 

Enhance requires you to play properly in PVP.

You need to keep your totems up, and kite.  You need to keep a searing and earth bind, and poison cleansing down to counter rogues.  

You need to use grounding totems to counter mage burst and kick with rank1 ES.

You need to purge and time your weapon swings.

You need to have a shield and a 1 hander to swap for rogue stuns to reduce rogue damage.

You need to pressure warriors with Lava totem.

You need to manage mana.

 

Playing enhance to its highest capability is a lot more than "I HOPE WF 1 SHOTS THIS GUY LEL!1!1!!!!".  Getting things like the darkmoon maelstorm card and the drake talon cleaver are important to get the rando burst.  Having something like Shatterer and a shield is how you counter rogues and warriors.  

It's not the same skill cap as rogue, but its a hell of a lot higher than warlock, priest, paladin, mage, and hunter.  If you want to play it to be a mongoloid and just walk around and try to 1 shot people, which is fun(if it happens), you are going to be really unhappy when you get kited down and never even get to touch the target.  

The moment you die to a level 58 hunter as a geared 60 enhance because the hunter knew how to play hunter.  You will understand this post.  

[Asher86 1]

jusr as a note: all 3 specs of shammys are viable completely in pvp.

dont get headache for finding the best none. All are good!

[lorthiras 7]

В 07.08.2017 в 23:08, jmul1212 сказал:

not the same skill cap as rogue, but its a hell of a lot higher than warlock, priest, paladin, mage, and hunter.  If you want to play it to be a mongoloid and just walk around and try to 1 shot people, which is fun(if it happens), you are going to be really unhappy when you get kited down and never even get to touch the target.  

The moment you die to a level 58 hunter as a geared 60 enhance because the hunter knew how to play hunter.  You will understand this post.  

btw hunter=highest skill cap in the game

[flowqz 34]

On 7.8.2017 at 10:08 PM, jmul1212 said:

You are a support class!  

 

is the bonus of improved weapon totems not worth getting than? should be better than eye of the storm at least.

[jmul1212 7]

4 hours ago, flowqz said:

is the bonus of improved weapon totems not worth getting than? should be better than eye of the storm at least.

I don't bother with improved STR/AGI totems for pvp tbh.  Your gonna be tremor and grounding and earth bind, and WF for others.  In PvE you take all improved dps totems tho.  

 

I can't check my specs I made on my phone, I might have messed up on one.