TBC

[Shiamorah 20]

Why worry about this? There comes a inevitability of issues with servers end of life. Will they want to let their servers die off when they hit the final vanilla patch?

.....No. the project won't just cease to exist like they are done or something. They will continue to progress. Threads like this are moot, because it addresses an obstacle Elysium does not need to face yet.

[Fladrif 14]

1 hour ago, FEYAARES said:

Or, with more logic. 

You make an announcement : "TBC is coming in 6 month ! Transfer will open one week before the release prepare your character !" 

Aaaaaaaaaand oooooh magic ! Every player awaiting for BC will go to Anathema to start lvling for it ! This is logic and big plus : it's blizzlike.   

 

36 minutes ago, Ickus said:

Hey someone made sense!!! yea that's basically my thoughts on it... the raid gear barely matters at all passed 65 with the exception of a few items from Naxx which last a while. Fresh start tbc is a horrific idea when you have so many ppl that could copy characters. Fresh starts get old... let's have something a private server hasn't done... PTE

 

Why not starting fresh and allow copy-char only if population number isn't high enough?

[Ickus 40]

1 hour ago, Fladrif said:

 

 

Why not starting fresh and allow copy-char only if population number isn't high enough?

Why not just level on the vanilla server and transfer... I mean come on. It's the same experience basically but one you go right to outlands and one you do vanilla raids... seriously this fresh start shit has to end. Also as a person who would be rerolling a draeni shaman I still think it should be a continuation

[Guest]

It would need to be a continuation or a transfer system model of some kind. Opening a 'fresh start' TBC realm is precisely the argument that people from Anathema point to when population numbers compared to Elysium are brought up. The team would have to be twenty kinds of stupid to launch a fresh start realm after dealing with this mess already AND having witnessed the K1/K2 fiasco as well.

The only conceivable way they could justify a fresh start realm is if a standalone core were provided (such as Gummy's) and transfers from Anath/Darr were limited in some way instead of a 1:1 move (such as an old character lock until a new character on that account is leveled up to 60, for example). This way you're able to maintain a fresh start crowd literally begging for a new TBC realm while also attempting to appease the old Nost crowd, but even then this would probably not work very well and I wouldn't even recommend that.

[Fladrif 14]

A char-transfer service has the precise purpose of bringing a playerbase on a particular realm for a definite reason which is related to the realm's health.

If a fresh TBC realm is destined to be highly-populated (see Felmyst), what would be the reason to allow a char-transfer from the best vanilla realm? 

Do you want to save the precious "work" which you put in your character? Stay vanilla and enjoy it.

[Forest_ 40]

56 minutes ago, Fladrif said:

A char-transfer service has the precise purpose of bringing a playerbase on a particular realm for a definite reason which is related to the realm's health.

If a fresh TBC realm is destined to be highly-populated (see Felmyst), what would be the reason to allow a char-transfer from the best vanilla realm? 

Do you want to save the precious "work" which you put in your character? Stay vanilla and enjoy it.

I couldn't bother quoting the rest of your retarded posts. But yeah.. you're not that smart. Please stop typing.

Fresh start only happens if a new project starts a TBC server, if Elysium started a TBC server we all have 60's that would go there. Blood Elves and Draenai would all have to start from level 1 anyway.

I would bet my house on the fact that a fresh start TBC realm would never happen on this project.

Again.. please stop typing.

[Fladrif 14]

8 hours ago, Forest_ said:

I couldn't bother quoting the rest of your retarded posts. But yeah.. you're not that smart. Please stop typing.

Fresh start only happens if a new project starts a TBC server, if Elysium started a TBC server we all have 60's that would go there. Blood Elves and Draenai would all have to start from level 1 anyway.

I would bet my house on the fact that a fresh start TBC realm would never happen on this project.

Again.. please stop typing.

Yes, you'll surely get a demon hunter and a bag full of candies in the future TBC because you're a special boy who deserves the best. :-)

[True_Hard 12]

Never

[QQsya 4]

On 8/4/2017 at 4:02 PM, Fladrif said:

A char-transfer service has the precise purpose of bringing a playerbase on a particular realm for a definite reason which is related to the realm's health.

If a fresh TBC realm is destined to be highly-populated (see Felmyst), what would be the reason to allow a char-transfer from the best vanilla realm? 

Do you want to save the precious "work" which you put in your character? Stay vanilla and enjoy it.

It's like people forget about the "RP" part of MMORPG and just think it's a MOBA. Can you honestly say you don't get attached to your character after literally thousands of hours /played? Your character is "you", it's your identity, and I for one would like to keep playing the same character up through whatever content tiers are released.

[Shiamorah 20]

43 minutes ago, QQsya said:

It's like people forget about the "RP" part of MMORPG and just think it's a MOBA. Can you honestly say you don't get attached to your character after literally thousands of hours /played? Your character is "you", it's your identity, and I for one would like to keep playing the same character up through whatever content tiers are released.

I think that what you are saying is spot on here, but it is not the "answer". There is no "answer". This is because as humans, we have very different opinions. One thing someone likes that another person hates. This is no different. There will be people that come here for progression, and when that progression ends, they demand more progression.

Alternately, there are people who come here for Vanilla content, and they demand only Vanilla content.

Arguing about something like this is silly, because there is no right and wrong. Respect the fact that there are those that wish to proceed to TBC, and respect the fact that there are those that wish to stay in Vanilla. If Elysium eventually decides they want to proceed to TBC, I guarantee they will not abandon Vanilla fanatics. They will not force players to play TBC. They will simply open up their doors to anyone that does.

Our community is flawed because we look at issues like this, issues that are completely preferential, and see anyone else with different opinions as enemies. 

 

 

The reality is that when TBC launched in Retail, there were tens of thousands of players who were level 60 already. And there were tens of thousands more who joined level 1 and didn't give a care in the world about it. 

[Fladrif 14]

"The reality is that when TBC launched in Retail, there were tens of thousands of players who were level 60 already. And there were tens of thousands more who joined level 1 and didn't give a care in the world about it. "

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Ok, just for fun let's play the trick of "what Blizzard did" and see what happens.

Vanilla WoW, released on November 23, 2004 and in the year 2006 (before TBC was announced) Blizzard had 7 millions subscribers.

• from TBC announcement to TBC release, Blizzard gained +1.5 million subscribers (+ 21%)
•  from TBC release to WOTLK announcement, Blizzard gained + 0.8 million subscribers (+ 9%)

Considering 7000 players on Elysium, that means:

• with TBC progression announcement, you'll play vanilla with 8470 player (7000 + 21%)  for 6 months and the average level of main chars would be 50+ ("everyone's getting ready for TBC");
• with TBC release, you'll have 762 (9% of 8470) new players in starting zones.

 

 

[Fladrif 14]

11 minutes ago, Toradh said:

This is a pserver. That was retail, it's obviously gonna go down a hell of a lot different.

Why?

Don't you think that a fresh TBC will have a greater longevity than a progression of an existing (and healthy) realm? 

Don't you think that those who want to play TBC with their geared level 60 will play  fresh TBC nonetheless? 

 

[Forest_ 40]

2 hours ago, Fladrif said:

Why?

Don't you think that a fresh TBC will have a greater longevity than a progression of an existing (and healthy) realm? 

Don't you think that those who want to play TBC with their geared level 60 will play  fresh TBC nonetheless? 

 

1. You don't get it.

2. Longevity means an extra 2 weeks of leveling? Lol what?

3. No?

[FEYAARES 3]

17 hours ago, Fladrif said:

Why?

Don't you think that a fresh TBC will have a greater longevity than a progression of an existing (and healthy) realm? 

Don't you think that those who want to play TBC with their geared level 60 will play  fresh TBC nonetheless? 

 

I understand your way of thinking Fladrif.

There was a lot of people awaiting for Felmyst, I was one of them and it was not an issue for me to start my lvling again. But if I can transfer my character for sure I will.

If people know TBC will open in 6 month and Anathema Character's are transferred a lot of new players will join to start lvling.

First of all on Pserv you can't judge the amount of population playing on a fresh server before 2/3 month for a "stable" value of active players (because you was speaking about numbers), and you can't come with retails number because it was new, it was not free (so you really invest yourself for something like this), population was stable and growing at this time. 

At the end if Elysium don't want to loose all the population they have like so many other vanilla pserv, they need to attract new players and take care of the old player base.

In the next month/year a lot of TBC servers will be released. The only way to maintain the Elysium population is to allowed transfer. You will have for sure the hype of OMFGFRESHSERV, or a famous streamer who will try this one and this one and blabla and you know the story. With no strategy our population will be split with the other TBC Project (because this one open first or this one look's better). But if you've played 2 month on the Vanilla Server, you like the player base/ your carac because of the time you spent in, you will not change so easelly on different TBC pserv.

So at the end for Elysium (and at the end for us because you don't want to play alone) the goal is : Attract new player one the actual Vanilla Server, stabilize the population, transfer the people who was looking for TBC on the TBC Server.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Asher86 1]

still we gotta get to patch 1.11 and yet you ask for tbc.... let developer works...  still too early to alk about tbc.

[FEYAARES 3]

35 minutes ago, Asher86 said:

still we gotta get to patch 1.11 and yet you ask for tbc.... let developer works...  still too early to alk about tbc.

Too early... Yes an no :) 

Personally I'm not waiting for a timeline or something like that. Just if Yes or Not we will move on TBC and in which way. This is a way to fix the issue about low pop on Anathema if they announce this realm as the first to move.
For the moment we are very low pop on Anathema and the largest party of player has cleared the content. I'm finishing my lvling and I don't want to run too fast the old content. So with new player it become possible for me and some other people to start in a proper way without big rush/pl.

 

[Guest]

If you can't be constructive about your feedback, please proceed to Discord's #barrens-chat since that's where this kind of garbage belongs.

 

1 hour ago, Asher86 said:

still we gotta get to patch 1.11 and yet you ask for tbc.... let developer works...  still too early to alk about tbc.

It's still a good idea to carry a conversation about TBC, as longevity of the project for Anathema in the short term, Darrowshire in the medium term, and Elysium in the long term is always going to be a looming question and should be addressed. If the project actually does have concrete plans to progress to TBC in some meaningful way, they should either drop these rather childish """hints""" with the Dark Portal and either say "Yeah it's on our Project Timeline as a vague plot point rather than a hard confirmed release date but we're going to do it" or "No, we're not considering it at this time."

[Asher86 1]

what develppers wanna do is not our businness. remmeber we are guests in their project. maybe was just a trolling hnt or maybe a real one or maybe they just putted it onto the trailer because they liked to do so. harrassing for  a tbc servr will not speed up things. just realax and enjoy vanilla content.

personally i did not liike tbc due to the fact of horrible outland skins but that's my personal point of view of course.

[Fladrif 14]

2 hours ago, Toradh said:

That's your only contribution after getting told you're wrong? Yeah every single point you made in that last post is completely invalid now. (not that it was valid in the first place)

That's the only contribution I can freely give to a guy who told me "you're mind numbingly stupid".

 

 

 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Asher86 said:

personally i did not liike tbc due to the fact of horrible outland skins but that's my personal point of view of course.

With this, we can agree.

However, the Staff's communications have always suffered from vague statements about "we're looking into this" or "we're discussing this", even during my tenure. Being absolutely clear about intent and saying they're directly planning on proceeding to TBC is one of the better ways they could get people paying attention to an Elysium-TBC project instead of just giving little nods or memes about it - people clearly want it given how successful Felmyst could have been by analyzing the launch numbers that turned out.

[Fladrif 14]

7 hours ago, FEYAARES said:

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In the next month/year a lot of TBC servers will be released. The only way to maintain the Elysium population is to allowed transfer.

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Elysium population is dropping and it's still the best vanilla realm out there. How could you think that allowing a transfer you'll maintain elysium's population?

Yes, at first a lot people will play there... but at the end, after a massive transfer, Elysium will be a shadow of its former self.

People are getting bored of vanilla content: we're talking about "progression" of Elysium to TBC. That day will come and it'll be the last of vanilla Wow. But before even considering that, it's not wise to ignore the success of Felmyst's 5 hrs. A lot of people want a fresh start on a massively populated realm.

Do you think that Elysium players who want TBC will quit the game if they're not given progression immediately?

No, they'll roll on the best TBC realm out there... "best" means "high population" and since warmane is renown for faking pop numbers, there's not a good enough TBC realm ATM.

Who hold in his hands Gummy's core...?

[FEYAARES 3]

@Toradh Why are you trying to discuss with some stupid guys who are just here for trolling ? 
 

[FEYAARES 3]

40 minutes ago, Toradh said:

You mean I've been had??! D:

I think so but that's why you are an alliance guys... :D 

[Forest_ 40]

Further confirmation of a TBC coming soon:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ElysiumProject/comments/6sd48p/any_plans_to_go_to_bc/dlbu2vz/

[Haestingas 30]

Considering the team is struggling to even implement 1.10, I don't understand why people think TBC would be even REMOTELY possible in the next 3 years. The only way is if Elysium somehow magically lands gummy. Considering how Elysium treated the Nost players, I would rather they don't get any more servers handed to them.