Legacy Crusade: The Journey doesn't end here!

[Ickus 40]

It's definitely nice to see people from Anathema and Elysium wanting 1 tbc server. Hopefully they let this happen when Elysium is ready to avoid any separate timelines

[Funktion1 2]

I would like for the community to be united. But I'm not sure that one server is the answer. 10,000 people is a very uncomfortably high number to be running around in Outland. Personally I'd like to see 1 PvP as well as 1 PvE server. We'll just have to wait and see how it shakes out.

[Escatopoulos 1]

23 hours ago, Rygor said:

It would be awesome if there was an "option" to xfer your Elysium character over at the time of the TBC server launch. I don't care if players will be better geared than me, but that's just me!

That is confirmed by the Staff that is not going to happen, and I believe it's the best decision. I would just start a new character there and enjoy the long levelling experience without the need to get to 60 asap. It would reduce the Elysium load too because if I had a 60 and wanted to level up an alt, I would then do it in Anathema so it's ready early when TBC comes ;)

That's why I think it's a good decision that Anathema will be the first stepping through the Dark Portal.

[Ickus 40]

5 minutes ago, Escatopoulos said:

That is confirmed by the Staff that is not going to happen, and I believe it's the best decision. I would just start a new character there and enjoy the long levelling experience without the need to get to 60 asap. It would reduce the Elysium load too because if I had a 60 and wanted to level up an alt, I would then do it in Anathema so it's ready early when TBC comes ;)

That's why I think it's a good decision that Anathema will be the first stepping through the Dark Portal.

It's not confirmed in any way. Look at any dev post on this thread and they've said over and over NOTHING IS CONFIRMED. 2 servers could be decent but they better be ready to merge at some point and DO NOT do different time lines. 10k is better than 600. Nothing's going to be perfect but a packed tbc server will be fun imo

[Escatopoulos 1]

7 hours ago, Undertanker said:

I would say the best thing I've seen in the past month on the forums is Anathema, Darrowshire and Elysium players voicing the same desires (for the most part) in regards to re-uniting the community.  Preference and timing of planned execution is the topic of debate, but the walls seem to be breaking down and bridges are wanting to be built.

8 minutes ago, Funktion1 said:

I would like for the community to be united. But I'm not sure that one server is the answer. 10,000 people is a very uncomfortably high number to be running around in Outland. Personally I'd like to see 1 PvP as well as 1 PvE server. We'll just have to wait and see how it shakes out.

 

But being completely honest, how much of the Elysium Project is community based and how much is the private part of "private server"? Because if I understand properly, the Elysium Project is community based for the code, development, bug tracking, forum etc. but is completely closed and private on the owning and administration of the Elysium Project itself.

And what I mean is if something is community based, it is by definition democratic, if we need more servers or better ones and we need the money for it, we all fund it, each one as much as he can/wants, and I'm sure people would pay a proportionate amount to have top servers and play a top quality vanilla WoW than anything else.

[Escatopoulos 1]

8 minutes ago, Ickus said:

It's not confirmed in any way. Look at any dev post on this thread and they've said over and over NOTHING IS CONFIRMED. 2 servers could be decent but they better be ready to merge at some point and DO NOT do different time lines. 10k is better than 600. Nothing's going to be perfect but a packed tbc server will be fun imo

This by CM Josipbroz yesterday:

"There are currently no plans on offering transfers due to the different realm types and progression."

[Ash 22]

5 minutes ago, Escatopoulos said:

This by CM Josipbroz yesterday:

"There are currently no plans on offering transfers due to the different realm types and progression."

But again, in regards to TBC we're coming up with plans. But the current Vanilla servers, at the moment, will remain the same.

[Ickus 40]

8 minutes ago, Ash said:

But again, in regards to TBC we're coming up with plans. But the current Vanilla servers, at the moment, will remain the same.

Just no different timelines. That's what killed anathema to start <3. I'd really hope if Elysium is able to transfer they don't cry about us having T3 because it's replaced in Kara.

[jmul1212 7]

On 8/27/2017 at 1:02 AM, aMondia said:

Yeah, I guess I could stick around on Anathema and play with the other 7 people online.

I have a feeling they would merge Anathema with Elysium if that actually happened.  Using money to host a server with 7 people doesn't sound like a great idea.  From my own reading i got the Idea that Anathema(Vanilla/TBC) are going to block Proxies, pushing Chinese people onto Elysium(Vanilla/TBC) so there is a good chance they would put a window down for you to transfer to the other server for the sake of Chinese players and for the sake of people who want to avoid the Chinese players.  Not that Chinese players are bad, just because their is a lot of Chinese players who don't really play for fun, they play for market.  

 

Expect precautions and planning that would allow you to pick between Anathema Vanilla or Elysium Vanilla when they are both in the static 1.12.1 state.

Btw, for anyone who cares.  Having a 6k average online pop isn't very favorable, especially for a Vanilla server.  I have seen it hit 9k recently, thats insane.  How can you even PVP or walk around a city?  I bet raids get laggy too.  

[Escatopoulos 1]

9 minutes ago, jmul1212 said:

Btw, for anyone who cares.  Having a 6k average online pop isn't very favorable, especially for a Vanilla server.  I have seen it hit 9k recently, thats insane.  How can you even PVP or walk around a city?  I bet raids get laggy too.  

I've been commenting this since I experienced, on the very first weekend I played a BG, how it was completely impossible to Ambush anybody or backstab, and I have played a rogue all the time since vanilla retail. It makes the gaming experience a frustration instead of a funny thing.

[jmul1212 7]

1 minute ago, Escatopoulos said:

I've been commenting this since I experienced, on the very first weekend I played a BG, how it was completely impossible to Ambush anybody or backstab, and I have played a rogue all the time since vanilla retail. It makes the gaming experience a frustration instead of a funny thing.

I'm not sure why people all quit Anathema to re-roll on a server whos population resembles Beijing.  I imagine the ranking system is impossible from the saturation of people.  I would assume their is a plateau of people that is just a bunch of people half assing AV for 50 hours a week.  

[Ickus 40]

Hey man warm bodies make bgs pop. No bodies dont

[jmul1212 7]

1 minute ago, Ickus said:

Hey man warm bodies make bgs pop. No bodies dont

I have heard the BGs are so laggy at times that melee isn't even able to do anything unless the target is stunned.  I am sure mages and warlocks have a good time.  

[Keala 28]

2 minutes ago, jmul1212 said:

I have heard the BGs are so laggy at times that melee isn't even able to do anything unless the target is stunned.  I am sure mages and warlocks have a good time.  

Everyone is scared of playing on a server that might die. It's an endless cycle, people quit because other people quit because other people quit and so on. I'm fairly sure some players would gladly go back to Anathema now, especially after the TBC announcement.

[Escatopoulos 1]

9 minutes ago, jmul1212 said:

I'm not sure why people all quit Anathema to re-roll on a server whos population resembles Beijing.  I imagine the ranking system is impossible from the saturation of people.  I would assume their is a plateau of people that is just a bunch of people half assing AV for 50 hours a week.  

In my case I was a new player to in a vanilla private server and reading and looking for the best one, everything pointed towards Elysium, Anathema being dead. But I didn't know about this performance issues. I've always said the population should be capped to a much lower limit and send new players to other servers.

[jmul1212 7]

Just now, Escatopoulos said:

In my case I was a new player to in a vanilla private server and reading and looking for the best one, everything pointed towards Elysium, Anathema being dead. But I didn't know about this performance issues. I've always said the population should be capped to a much lower limit and send new players to other servers.

Anathema has good population for Raiding during core hours, like 4 Ony pugs a week and 2 or so MCs.  Guilds are always grabbing people for AQ 40 and BWL, and ZG and AQ 20s happen every day typically.  No lag and everything is smooth.  Sadly BGs don't pop as often as i would hope.  They pop, but not really?  

[Ickus 40]

Look man there's trade offs. Nothing is perfect and the lag was like that on Nost with 10k, but it 100% beats the alternative.

[jmul1212 7]

I'm sure their is benefits, me personally, in pvp.  I don't like losing in situations due to server lag.  It drives me nuts and makes the situation feel helpless.  The worst experience is kicking a cast at 30-40% and they still get it off simply because they are 3 seconds ahead of you.  I have played the "Pre-Interrupting" game before, and i don't enjoy preemptively kicking casts because i know my kick will be late if i wait for the cast.

It also breeds in 3rd party kick bots, and bots to make you face a target instead of properly mouse turning.  Both of which should be welcomed by fire and fury.

TLDR; no pvp > complete shit pvp in my mind.  I will just world pvp in PL or something.  

[Ickus 40]

This is probably the wrong thread to be complaining about the lag. It's more for the upcoming move to tbc. If you don't like it make a thread elsewhere 

[astralrecall 4]

While this is cool and all, don't really understand why we're going to have two 'progressive' realms now. I understand it's not technically progressive on Elysium side because it's just going to TBC, but what's the point? If you want progressive, go to Crestfall kind of thing. Now we'll have a bunch of servers with huge splits in population. Legacy players are only so few, and unless there's one go-to server, the populations spread throughout the many servers will be their downfall.

[Ickus 40]

20 minutes ago, astralrecall said:

While this is cool and all, don't really understand why we're going to have two 'progressive' realms now. I understand it's not technically progressive on Elysium side because it's just going to TBC, but what's the point? If you want progressive, go to Crestfall kind of thing. Now we'll have a bunch of servers with huge splits in population. Legacy players are only so few, and unless there's one go-to server, the populations spread throughout the many servers will be their downfall.

You do realize once naxx is out on any single expansion server it dies right? There are no shortage of ppl looking for tbc. Plz stop advocating for eternal vanilla. There are thousands waiting to play tbc as well. 

[jmul1212 7]

3 hours ago, Ickus said:

This is probably the wrong thread to be complaining about the lag. It's more for the upcoming move to tbc. If you don't like it make a thread elsewhere 

We where discussing a topic that was leading to a lag argument.  

[Escatopoulos 1]

14 hours ago, Ickus said:

This is probably the wrong thread to be complaining about the lag. It's more for the upcoming move to tbc. If you don't like it make a thread elsewhere 

We are talking about server population, server de-population, the consequences of the admins decisions, the lag that all these leads to... It is all related.

Changes bring consequences. If we want these consequences to be positive for all we must foresee them, or face a server that might be victim of its own success.

There are people that will chose to stay in vanilla, again refugees, that will stay in Elysium, but after Anathema has emptied of people migrating to the TBC server, and Elysium 60s have also flown to continue their progression, what will happen to Elysium, an empty Anathema, and an overcrowded new TBC server, facing the same or worse problems that Elysium is already suffering?

[Ozolz 0]

so all 5 of anathema players must gear up and be ready? DAYYYYUUMM

[Ickus 40]

3 hours ago, Ozolz said:

so all 5 of anathema players must gear up and be ready? DAYYYYUUMM

Spoken like a true MC hero. I'd like to see elysium transfer at the same time to have a very well populated tbc server. 

Just a heads up there is no MC in TBC. I thought I'd just warn those who only seem to love MC