Legacy Crusade: The Journey doesn't end here!

[sumeht 9]

2 hours ago, Vastraum said:

I believe that they should just have 1 server if it can handle around 8k people. if they cant, release 2 or 3 realms and then merge since the timelines would be the same (ie: zethkur). open it up when available to all servers. let anybody transfer to it as vanilla gear really doesnt matter anyway as by the time you hit 63 blues and greens are better than naxx gear. since it just a copy people can still raid on vanilla and lvl in TBC. Guaranteed most people will leave Elysium server and start fresh on TBC anyway. Fresh servers will always get the pop. 

Yes this level 63 blue https://tbc-twinhead.twinstar.cz/?item=29456

is better then this KT weapon https://tbc-twinhead.twinstar.cz/?item=23054

oh no wait it's not.

 

[Keala 28]

5 hours ago, Vastraum said:

I believe that they should just have 1 server if it can handle around 8k people. if they cant, release 2 or 3 realms and then merge since the timelines would be the same (ie: zethkur). open it up when available to all servers. let anybody transfer to it as vanilla gear really doesnt matter anyway as by the time you hit 63 blues and greens are better than naxx gear. since it just a copy people can still raid on vanilla and lvl in TBC. Guaranteed most people will leave Elysium server and start fresh on TBC anyway. Fresh servers will always get the pop. 

"Guaranted most people will leave Elysium server and start fresh on TBC anyway." ----> Arguable. There are no fresh servers planned for TBC, there will be only new TBC servers where you can transfer your chacaters (fresh = everyone starts from level ONE). It would be kind of stupid from them to keep on playing on Elysium if they had planned to start fresh on TBC no matter what: why not re-roll now if that's the cae? I'm fairly sure that a good chunk of the players on Elysium would gladly transfer to Anathema now if they had the option, though.

"I believe that they should just have 1 server if it can handle around 8k people. if they cant, release 2 or 3 realms and then merge since the timelines would be the same (ie: zethkur). open it up when available to all servers." ----> Are you really sure that anything above 5k on TBC is healthy? Most of the players will be in the outlands with their level 60 characters, did you even try to imagine what would be to complete the first quests there with so many people around you? And keep in mind this is different from a fresh vanilla start, considering the whole population is not concentrated in a single zone but are instead divided in 6 areas. Not to mention that you don't even have to complete quests to get out of there, you just need to kill mobs for a while and you're done.

"let anybody transfer to it as vanilla gear really doesnt matter anyway as by the time you hit 63 blues and greens are better than naxx gear" ---> Yea you're ri... wait what no what the heck did I just read? I assume you have literally now clue how strong Naxxramas gear is, considering you really think that. Players in tier 3 can literally skip gathering gear in heroics and go straight to Karazhan with that kind of gear.

[Software 9]

21 hours ago, Ickus said:

No dude... release a tbc server just for it to die? That is an absolute waste of time and resources. Just wait on Elysium and let them both go to tbc... Don't do two separate timelines or even two separate servers... TWO SEPARATE SERVERS DOESNT WORK. We saw it with ZKs death and anathemas decline. Just wait on Elysium to finish naxx and then let EVERYONE go at the same time. Allow anathema ppl in the beta to test but please no go on two servers and separate timelines.

What makes you think they won't do at least two separate servers? At the very least, there will two. One PvE and one PvP.

[Software 9]

7 hours ago, Keala said:

"Guaranted most people will leave Elysium server and start fresh on TBC anyway." ----> Arguable. There are no fresh servers planned for TBC, there will be only new TBC servers where you can transfer your chacaters (fresh = everyone starts from level ONE). It would be kind of stupid from them to keep on playing on Elysium if they had planned to start fresh on TBC no matter what: why not re-roll now if that's the cae? I'm fairly sure that a good chunk of the players on Elysium would gladly transfer to Anathema now if they had the option, though.

"I believe that they should just have 1 server if it can handle around 8k people. if they cant, release 2 or 3 realms and then merge since the timelines would be the same (ie: zethkur). open it up when available to all servers." ----> Are you really sure that anything above 5k on TBC is healthy? Most of the players will be in the outlands with their level 60 characters, did you even try to imagine what would be to complete the first quests there with so many people around you? And keep in mind this is different from a fresh vanilla start, considering the whole population is not concentrated in a single zone but are instead divided in 6 areas. Not to mention that you don't even have to complete quests to get out of there, you just need to kill mobs for a while and you're done.

"let anybody transfer to it as vanilla gear really doesnt matter anyway as by the time you hit 63 blues and greens are better than naxx gear" ---> Yea you're ri... wait what no what the heck did I just read? I assume you have literally now clue how strong Naxxramas gear is, considering you really think that. Players in tier 3 can literally skip gathering gear in heroics and go straight to Karazhan with that kind of gear.

How do those players get into karazhan without doing those heroics?

[Ickus 40]

24 minutes ago, Software said:

How do those players get into karazhan without doing those heroics?

By doing the attunement, which doesn't require heroics... heroic gear will replace some Naxx gear so you have to get rep and do them regardless. T3 is replaced by any epic in tbc... it doesn't give that huge of a boost, but is helpful.

[Ickus 40]

1 hour ago, Software said:

What makes you think they won't do at least two separate servers? At the very least, there will two. One PvE and one PvP.

That's not what you said... you're advocating for different timelines. Have 20 servers... just have them on the same timeline so you can merge them like ZK and Ely

[sumeht 9]

1 minute ago, Ickus said:

That's not what you said... you're advocating for different timelines. Have 20 servers... just have them on the same timeline so you can merge them like ZK and Ely

Amen

[Forest_ 40]

2 minutes ago, Ickus said:

That's not what you said... you're advocating for different timelines. Have 20 servers... just have them on the same timeline so you can merge them like ZK and Ely

^ This so much.

[Ironfoot 5]

As I said before, the ideal TBC for this community would be 2 realms on the same timeline with crossrealm BG, Arena and AH, and the vanilla realms should be merged into 1.

The 'low poped' TBC would be more attractive for people who think logical. None of the servers would die out imo. 

Edit: but the 2 realms have to launch at the same time to avoid what happened with ZK. There was demand for a second fresh vanilla server, but not after a week(or two) from launch. 

[riplip 2]

13 hours ago, Ironfoot said:

As I said before, the ideal TBC for this community would be 2 realms on the same timeline with crossrealm BG, Arena and AH, and the vanilla realms should be merged into 1.

The 'low poped' TBC would be more attractive for people who think logical. None of the servers would die out imo. 

Edit: but the 2 realms have to launch at the same time to avoid what happened with ZK. There was demand for a second fresh vanilla server, but not after a week(or two) from launch. 

How in the fuck does your preference in server population have any correlation to how logically you think? Are you retarded?

[Ironfoot 5]

5 hours ago, riplip said:

How in the fuck does your preference in server population have any correlation to how logically you think? Are you retarded?

Start using your mind and don't be monitor hero, find me irl if you want to speak with me the way like this. PM me if you have further question, little kid.

[Anty757 1]

Hello all. I been visiting this forums (lurking a lot) and i must say Elysium is HIGHEST quality vanilla servers ...there is no competition. 

 

Here is my feedback and opinion so i hope people get some ideas bouncing from this post.

 

In blizzard's wow ....i think low is 1000 players medium is 3000 very high is 5000 and full is 7000 +...obviously everybody wants to play on a full server because of social activity, pug groups, good economy, good raid runs and lots of activity.

Elysium is a great server don't get me wrong, it's amazing. I think elysium is probably number 1 in the vanilla community on reddit.

 

SO I think people love starting on fresh either because of hype or they love the "competitive being better than others raid race".

My feedback is - they should make 2 servers - 1 pvp 1 pve - for burning crusade and for vanilla.

For burning crusade they should focus on it as long as possible. There is no flying in old world, and arena and heroics and kara runs are very fun.

Also the class balance is good - both in elysium vanilla and i expect it to be balanced in burning crusade.

 

As for vanilla servers.....they will die off if you keep them at naxx. Best to reroll them fresh ever few years.

And the populations welll....like i said above - everybody wants a health big populated server for friends social activity groups and gameplay.

 

Part of me thinks the reason elysium is so full is because it is based off of more then 10 countries (france germeny russia china NA Brazil) where's the other servers don't have a big demographic.

 

Any ways i love elysium they are the best i just hope they make consciously intelligent decisions and i support them even if the population gets low. Just be careful because for the wow server community - fresh and population = is all that matters for the community it seems. 

[Keala 28]

33 minutes ago, Anty757 said:

Part of me thinks the reason elysium is so full is because it is based off of more then 10 countries (france germeny russia china NA Brazil) where's the other servers don't have a big demographic.

Why are Anathema and Darrowshire not full then?

[Dralek 5]

The best idea would be to have 2 realms, one in Vanilla the other in TBC.

I find quite hypocritical that elysium players now want to get transfers to Anathema, or for it to wait until Elysium catches up, given the possibility of it becoming the only TBC realm. As far as I remember, when Anathema players asked for a merge, they were unkindly rejected by Elysium players. Where is that attitude now?

Having multiple TBC realms in different timelines will simply create the same problem that has been going on for months. Besides there is no reason as to why they would want to make Elysium into tbc too, neither as to why Anathema players should wait for it to catch up.

Let Anathema become a TBC realm, the remining community in this realm completly supports it. Let Elysium players play vanilla, or reroll in Anathema. They have enough time to get a lvl 60 toon before TBC comes out, and start in the same quality (blue leveling gear is equal to Nax gear, so there is no excuse).

[Ironfoot 5]

29 minutes ago, Dralek said:

The best idea would be to have 2 realms, one in Vanilla the other in TBC.

I find quite hypocritical that elysium players now want to get transfers to Anathema, or for it to wait until Elysium catches up, given the possibility of it becoming the only TBC realm. As far as I remember, when Anathema players asked for a merge, they were unkindly rejected by Elysium players. Where is that attitude now?

Having multiple TBC realms in different timelines will simply create the same problem that has been going on for months. Besides there is no reason as to why they would want to make Elysium into tbc too, neither as to why Anathema players should wait for it to catch up.

Let Anathema become a TBC realm, the remining community in this realm completly supports it. Let Elysium players play vanilla, or reroll in Anathema. They have enough time to get a lvl 60 toon before TBC comes out, and start in the same quality (blue leveling gear is equal to Nax gear, so there is no excuse).

Sounds cool!

You expect thousand of players to leave all their toons, all their played time and reroll on Anathema where people have at least 6 characters/player with tons of gold, materials and bis gear on half of them, which won't matter.

In this case, I'd like to suggest to let anathema be the only vanilla server since it's nearly already dead, and if they want to play TBC let them reroll on Elysium. It would affect just a few houndred people instead of thousands.
I hope you feel how does your recommendation sounds for me.

[Keala 28]

12 minutes ago, Ironfoot said:

You expect thousand of players to leave all their toons, all their played time and reroll on Anathema where people have at least 6 characters/player with tons of gold, materials and bis gear on half of them, which won't matter.

Some time ago, before the TBC announcement, there were some discussions going on about making some kind of transfers from Anathema to Elysium, or even merge both servers because of the issues ongoing with the population. The reason is quite obvious: no one wanted to see their progress wasted. A lot of players, and even staff members such as @Stodola, simply told these people to re-roll on Elysium and deal with it if they really cared about playing on a healthy realm. Now you, as an Elysium player, are saying that you don't want to start on another realm and thus losing all your progress and time invested because that one realm is getting TBC first. Most of you started playing on Elysium knowing it was the least progressed server, and while it was obvious it would have the most population out of all 3, you should also have expected an outcome like this. Are you seriously expecting the players on Anathema to wait for you, implying it will simply die if that happens (PLEASE keep in mind Elysium will get Naxx around September 2018, which means Anathema players would have to wait til 2019). Who wants to bet that if you were on Anathema, you would be the one asking for TBC to come out ASAP without giving any care to Elysium? Selfish much aren't we?

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In this case, I'd like to suggest to let anathema be the only vanilla server since it's nearly already dead, and if they want to play TBC let them reroll on Elysium. It would affect just a few houndred people instead of thousands. Cheers.

Don't even have to comment this.

[Ironfoot 5]

2 minutes ago, Keala said:

Some time ago, before the TBC announcement, there were some discussions going on about making some kind of transfers from Anathema to Elysium, or even merge both servers because of the issues ongoing with the population. A lot of players, and even staff members such as @Stodola, simply told these people to re-roll on Elysium and deal with it if they really cared about playing on a healthy realm. Now you, as an Elysium player, are saying that you don't want to lose all your progress and time invested because another server is getting TBC first. Most of you started playing on Elysium knowing it was the least progressed server, and while it was obvious it would have the most population out of all 3, you should also have expected an outcome like this. Are you seriously expecting the players on Anathema to wait for you, implying it will simply die if that happens (PLEASE keep in mind Elysium will get Naxx around September 2018, which means Anathema players would have to wait til 2019). Who wants to bet that if you were on Anathema, you would be the one asking for TBC to come out ASAP without giving any care to Elysium? Selfish much aren't we?

 

I understand what you, Anathema players are speaking here, we are kinda on the same boat since nobody wants to leave their characters behind.

There is simply no output without negative affects, but it's a fact that Elysium has 5x population, so imo if they want to be a healthy, well populated TBC server they shouldn't fk up a well working realm. If only Anathema goes to TBC it will die out again in long terms. The vast majority of Elysium players won't roll to TBC until vanilla progression hasn't finished.

I'd say the best of the worsts option is let anathema wait, since it affects the least players, and nobody forced to reroll, nobody has to leave their characters behind. This is my personal opinion, I see this way the most logical, not because I'm an Elysium player, but I don't expect people to reroll.

[Dralek 5]

13 minutes ago, Ironfoot said:

Sounds cool!

You expect thousand of players to leave all their toons, all their played time and reroll on Anathema where people have at least 6 characters/player with tons of gold, materials and bis gear on half of them, which won't matter.

In this case, I'd like to suggest to let anathema be the only vanilla server since it's nearly already dead, and if they want to play TBC let them reroll on Elysium. It would affect just a few houndred people instead of thousands.
I hope you feel how does your recommendation sounds for me.

 

Elysium is mid-progression through vanilla, Anathema is at the end about to engage in Nax. There is no practical reason as to why they should transfer Elysium players into the TBC realm, and kill the realm. I presume their intention is to have a realm of every old expansion.

Consider that the TBC launch is in part fueled in order to revive Anathema, and pretty much the entire (vocal/forum active) Anathema community (at least whats left of us) wants this change. We do not know how many people from Elysium want to have TBC right now. To us, there is really no other choice in order to revive the realm, to you its a matter of choosing between TBC or Vanilla.

Now, the best thing for the realm community, would be to have Elysium as the vanilla realm, and Anathema and Darrow to merge into a TBC realm, so this community can cater to a large array of players. However, in your case, you are asking for the community to cater to your individual needs. Us Anathema players sticked to a dying realm for months, and pushed for this change (many have been promoting the idea of TBC for months now). So playing first is the reward we get.

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Again, if you want TBC in this community, you are more than welcome to level in Anathema.

 

[Keala 28]

7 minutes ago, Ironfoot said:

I understand what you, Anathema players are speaking here, we are kinda on the same boat since nobody wants to leave their characters behind.

There is simply no output without negative affects, but it's a fact that Elysium has 5x population, so imo if they want to be a healthy, well populated TBC server they shouldn't fk up a well working realm. If only Anathema goes to TBC it will die out again in long terms. The vast majority of Elysium players won't roll to TBC until vanilla progression hasn't finished.

I'd say the best of the worsts option is let anathema wait, since it affects the least players, and nobody forced to reroll, nobody has to leave their characters behind. This is my personal opinion, I see this way the most logical, not because I'm an Elysium player, but I don't expect people to reroll.

Look, I think there's only one thing we have to push for here. I completely understand you when you say "I don't want to start over". Some people have already suggested it, but it feels like it's not getting enough attention.

If Elysium players would be able to transfer to Anathema before TBC comes out, it would solve all problems. That way, I don't feel like Elysium would have any excuse to complain about Anathema getting TBC first. If you really want to play TBC, then you can just transfer there without having to re-roll.

[Dralek 5]

2 minutes ago, Keala said:

Look, I think there's only one thing we have to push for here. I completely understand you when you say "I don't want to start over". Some people have already suggested it, but it feels like it's not getting enough attention.

If Elysium players would be able to transfer to Anathema before TBC comes out, it would solve all problems. That way, I don't feel like Elysium would have any excuse to complain about Anathema getting TBC first. If you really want to play TBC, then you can just transfer there without having to re-roll.

That is an option. The downside is that, in the process, you will be removing a lot of people from the Elysium community. The other problem is that Elysium players are not ready to make the sacrifice.

We don't know when TBC is coming out. Would Elysium players be ready to transfer now and wait with us? Or do they want to enjoy Elysium as much as they can, and simply be able to transfer 1 week before TBC launches?

[Keala 28]

5 minutes ago, Dralek said:

That is an option. The downside is that, in the process, you will be removing a lot of people from the Elysium community. The other problem is that Elysium players are not ready to make the sacrifice.

We don't know when TBC is coming out. Would Elysium players be ready to transfer now and wait with us? Or do they want to enjoy Elysium as much as they can, and simply be able to transfer 1 week before TBC launches?

I don't know that, but there are already people who want this simply because there is a chance Anathema might get TBC first.

On the other hand, it would fix some other issues like the heavy lag and crashes happening on Elysium lately. Just look around the forums, there are so many people complaining. There are players willing to move from Elysium to Anathema/Darrowshire mainly because of these problems aswell.

EDIT: I just think that transfers from Elysium to Anathema/Darrowshire can benefit everyone in so many ways... It helps balacing the population on the realms, it helps the lag/crashes issue with Elysium and it lets people who want to experience TBC ASAP simply move on to Anathema.

[Dralek 5]

2 minutes ago, Keala said:

I don't know that, but there are already people who want this simply because there is a chance Anathema might get TBC first.

On the other hand, it would fix some other issues like the heavy lag and crashes happening on Elysium lately. Just look around the forums, there are so many people complaining. There are players willing to move from Elysium to Anathema/Darrowshire mainly because of these problems aswell.

I suppose its not a bad option. The problem is that the Elysium community is filled with people that jump ship at the first sign of trouble.

Once TBC is about to launch, and the transfer is enabled, some (maybe not that many) will transfer. This will in turn make other people transfer in order not to get stucked in the new "dead realm", and so on, and so on. Pretty much, the TBC realm will kill the vanilla realms. Now this is a given for Anathema, but considering we are at the end of the vanilla period anyway we don't really see it as a bad thing, but for Elysium players who re in the mid stage of vanilla, it could be trouble.

If the admins wish to keep Elysium up and growing, they need to keep it as a Vanilla realm, and make Anathema the focus of TBC. Given a high number of former Anathema players are currently playing in Warmane TBC, it is expected they will return here. Also, we will get our own market for new players that are looking for a TBC realm instead of vanilla. It would be a win/win for everyone, because we don't really need to take players away from Elysium.

Now, if we allow transfers from Elysium, that kills the realm. In all honesty I think the best solution is to allow Elysium players to transfer right now or never at all. This will show which players do truly want TBC, and are willing to wait for it in our realm (in which they can still play, and gather gear/gold/mats/etc), from those that are only planning to jump ship to the new hot thing out of fear of being stucked.

But thats me, and that is the only way we can have 2 different realms that cater to different public.

As for darrowshire, they should be allowed to transfer to Anathema too if they want.

[Keala 28]

4 minutes ago, Dralek said:

Now, if we allow transfers from Elysium, that kills the realm. In all honesty I think the best solution is to allow Elysium players to transfer right now or never at all. This will show which players do truly want TBC, and are willing to wait for it in our realm (in which they can still play, and gather gear/gold/mats/etc), from those that are only planning to jump ship to the new hot thing out of fear of being stucked.

I completely agree, and to be honest it seems even better than letting people transfer at any time. Giving them the option to transfer only now should ensure that Elysium doesn't die.

[Kovalenkov 0]

Hold on.. so if i get this right, they are going to start the TBC and kill the vanilla servers ?!.. what if ppl still wanna play the vanilla and dont wanna play the TBC ? if any game master sees this then plz do not kill the Vanilla servers.. !

[Dralek 5]

Just now, Keala said:

I completely agree, and to be honest it seems even better than letting people transfer at any time. Giving them the option to transfer only now should ensure that Elysium doesn't die.

Excactly, that way we can offer 2 realms with 2 expansions, an have both realms with a healthy amount of population. The idea is not to have both realms compete with each other, which so far has been the cause of all our problems.

If we only allow transfer for a short time, months ahead (lets say 15 September - 1 October) only the players that truly want TBC will transfer. Those that only trnasfer out of fear won't do it because they will not want to be stucked in a nearly dead realm for a long time (we can probably expect TBC at least next year, not before). It is the only sensible solution in order to not screw one realm over the other.