Legacy Crusade: The Journey doesn't end here!

[Forest_ 40]

1 hour ago, Ickus said:

Spoken like a true MC hero. I'd like to see elysium transfer at the same time to have a very well populated tbc server. 

Just a heads up there is no MC in TBC. I thought I'd just warn those who only seem to love MC

Lol rekt.

But yeah seriously. This is a group effort. We want to end this petty bullshit of OUR server vs YOUR server type of stuff that Ozolz exemplified quite flawlessly just now.

In a server where we all play together there is no need to bash someone for playing elsewhere. We can just bash each other in PvP or on the meters.

[FEYAARES 3]

You ask for suggestion on this topic ? 

I don't have suggestion for the actual way to transfer all the Server on different timeline on TBC but maybe just open transfer from Ely to Anathema.

At the end I'm just dreaming of this : 

Vanilla, BC, TLK servers and every 2 years merge all the realm on the same version together and open a fresh Vanilla again , and migrate the most recent Vanilla to BC, BC to TLK and like this forever. 6 realm, 3 old, 3 fresh and the story never end. 

[sreaver 0]

If the code is ready before Elysium realm is fully done then question about single server all boils down to two points; Can the server handle it, and are Anathema players willing to wait possibly ~6 months extra to play TBC?

From a development point of view, it would be crazy to either accelerate the time line or to move your players to TBC before they have had enough time to farm Naxx (meaning even lower tier guilds clearing it enough times). They spend a lot of time and effort to realize that content, so it would be mighty demoralizing for those developers if the majority of the players couldn't enjoy it to the fullest.

Notion that they can stay farming the Naxx even if TBC is out is not going to fly, as these players then want a fresh start at TBC and most likely are big enough group to get what they want. Thus you would have diminished your hard worked vanilla content and still would end up with multiple TBC Servers with different time lines.

So in my opinion, the only rational course is what I suggested earlier; release an Anathema only TBC for those who don't want to wait and to test the content, and once Elysium has had enough time with Naxx, release Elysium TBC server, but allow transfers to it from Anathema's vanilla server. That way players from Anathema who want to be a the main realm can do it, and those who don't want to wait, can start TBC earlier with the knowledge that their server will be low population server.

 

[Keala 28]

42 minutes ago, FEYAARES said:

I don't have suggestion for the actual way to transfer all the Server on different timeline on TBC but maybe just open transfer from Ely to Anathema.

No matter how look at it, having multiple realms on different timelines is what causes most of the issues. If somehow Anathema TBC and Elysium TBC get to be both on the same content patch, it would actually be fine to have multiple servers: the main problemi is having one server more progressed than the other.

On the other hand, we also know that releasing TBC only when Elysium has Naxxramas ready is not a good idea too. At that point, Anathema players might have grown tired of waiting and there might simply be no one left.

It's also worth noting that by uniting all the players into one single TBC realm might cause some major problems. Just imagine having all the 60s from Anathema, Darrowshire and Elysium entering hellfire peninsula all at the same time. The Outlands are not as big as the classic world, it might get so clunked that crashes might happen constantly. Because of this, I personally think it would be for the best to have multiple realms instead of one single realm (and keep in mind, I am one of those that would love to see all the players in one single realm).

Let's keep some facts in mind:

1. The players don't want to transfer into an existing TBC realm where people have already farmed their gear, not to mention the realm might have progressed quite a lot in the meantime. It makes sense for them to want their own TBC realm (this concerns mainly Elysium and Darrowshire players, as being the realms that don't get TBC first).
2. Most of the players also don't want to have multiple realms on different timelines, otherwise we'd be repeating Anathema/Elysium all over again (this concerns mainly Anathema and Darrowshire players, as being the older realms).

After having taken these 2 things in consideration, the only thing I can think of is this: release Anathema TBC as soon as it's ready instead of waiting for Elysium to catch up to Naxxramas. When Elysium is ready to have their own TBC realm, they should release Elysium TBC at the same patch of Anathema's TBC realm.
Ofcourse, I have not mentioned Darrowshire, but it would probably get the same treatment.

By doing this, we're completely erasing these problems:

• Multiple realms on different timelines.
• Possible extreme lags and crashes due to outlands being not as big as the classic world.
• Forcing players to join on an already progressed realm where there are already people geared and the economy is estabilished (the only main problem here is that the server has still progressed as much as Anathema, you simply don't have anyone playing there yet).

There are surely going to be some players who don't like my suggestion, I'll gladly hear you out on why you don't think it would work out, as long as people give me their reasoning behind their statements.

EDIT: I forgot to mention that by opening transfers from Elysium to Anathema/Darrowshire would also help implementing this kind of "solution", while also giving benefits to both sides right now. The players who don't want to wait Elysium to reach Naxxramas before being able to see TBC, can just transfer to Anathema and prepare for it.

[sreaver 0]

4 minutes ago, Keala said:

• Forcing players to join on an already progressed realm where there are already people geared and the economy is estabilished already (the only main problem here is that the server has still progressed as much as Anathema, you simply don't have anyone playing there yet).

 

Forcing great majority to skip hard worked content/progress to cater for small minority does not sound rational.

[sumeht 9]

11 minutes ago, Keala said:

On the other hand, we also know that releasing TBC only when Elysium has Naxxramas ready is not a good idea too. At that point, Anathema players might have grown tired of waiting and there might simply be no one left.

 

I think a fair compromise to that is you let the Anathema realm be copied over into beta at some point after Naxx is on farm and let us test TBC as it is finished / polished.  Then release everything all together.

[Keala 28]

8 minutes ago, sreaver said:

Forcing great majority to skip hard worked content/progress to cater for small minority does not sound rational.

Does this mean that, in your opinion, joining a new TBC realm where the only difference is that it starts at a later patch instead of 2.0 is a bad idea?

EDIT: Also keep in mind that their main idea is even worse for the majority. They said Anathema players would be the first to transfer over, hinting that there will be a single TBC realm. If that is the case, then you'll just end up being in a realm where old Anathema players have farmed a part of the content already. Sure, nothing is final and they already stated that, but I'm fairly sure we can agree that if you had to decide, you'd probably pick my solution instead of simply joining an already progressed realm where guilds and players have been farming raids for months, right?

[sreaver 0]

It's obviously worse than starting with the correct patch and a real 'fresh' feel to the realm (meaning that you don't have to rush through what is considered obsolete content at later patches).

I seriously doubt they have even contemplated on forcing majority of their player base to follow minority. Thus I think their go-to strategy is to keep status quo and first release Anathema TBC, and then with correct time line release Elysium TBC (if you note the first post mentions TBC realms). They most likely hope that TBC will revive Anathema, so it could function as proper server on it's own. My suggestion on how to handle the situation, still leaves them with that option.

 

[Keala 28]

3 minutes ago, sreaver said:

I seriously doubt they have even contemplated on forcing majority of their player base to follow minority. Thus I think their go-to strategy is to keep status quo and first release Anathema TBC, and then with correct time line release Elysium TBC (if you note the first post mentions TBC realms).

While it's true the first post used plural, there are also hints that it would be only one server:

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• Once the server is live, Anathema players will be the first to transfer across. 
• The existing realms will not close, and all characters will remain on their respective realms as well as being copied to the new TBC realm.

Once THE server is live.
As well as being copied to THE new TBC realm.

 

I feel like that at this point we would need a reply from the staff to know if their initial plan was to have only one realm or multiple ones.

[Ickus 40]

42 minutes ago, sreaver said:

If the code is ready before Elysium realm is fully done then question about single server all boils down to two points; Can the server handle it, and are Anathema players willing to wait possibly ~6 months extra to play TBC?

From a development point of view, it would be crazy to either accelerate the time line or to move your players to TBC before they have had enough time to farm Naxx (meaning even lower tier guilds clearing it enough times). They spend a lot of time and effort to realize that content, so it would be mighty demoralizing for those developers if the majority of the players couldn't enjoy it to the fullest.

Notion that they can stay farming the Naxx even if TBC is out is not going to fly, as these players then want a fresh start at TBC and most likely are big enough group to get what they want. Thus you would have diminished your hard worked vanilla content and still would end up with multiple TBC Servers with different time lines.

So in my opinion, the only rational course is what I suggested earlier; release an Anathema only TBC for those who don't want to wait and to test the content, and once Elysium has had enough time with Naxx, release Elysium TBC server, but allow transfers to it from Anathema's vanilla server. That way players from Anathema who want to be a the main realm can do it, and those who don't want to wait, can start TBC earlier with the knowledge that their server will be low population server.

 

My guild is fine with waiting and many others have stated the same. I can't speak for all Anathema players but my guild at least wants to wait on Elysium simply to avoid split timelines and unhappy players. Merge together! 

[Ickus 40]

35 minutes ago, sumeht said:

I think a fair compromise to that is you let the Anathema realm be copied over into beta at some point after Naxx is on farm and let us test TBC as it is finished / polished.  Then release everything all together.

Yes please listen to this young buck! This is actually the perfect idea!

[Ashteloren 2]

I wonder how it will work in the future though?

Will it be:

-crestfall PTE comes out first

-Anathema TBC comes out next

-Finally, Elysium TBC comes out last

 

Or something like:

-Anathema TBC comes out first

-Crestfall comes out second

-Elysium TBC comes out last.

 

I'd love to play TBC, but I don't trust Crogge to be able to develop a really good server, contrarily to the entirety of the CF team, so I'll still play on the CF server.

It's not a big deal in any case, many people will play TBC even if it's average, but I still believe that crestfall is the most popular thing in development out of the two right now.

[Ickus 40]

They've already said they don't want to do two different timelines, so I would bet Anathema and Elysium go same time... that's what they should be doing. I don't know why would wouldn't trust Crogge but you'd trust CF to release.

[Keala 28]

11 minutes ago, Ickus said:

They've already said they don't want to do two different timelines, so I would bet Anathema and Elysium go same time... that's what they should be doing. I don't know why would wouldn't trust Crogge but you'd trust CF to release.

Well, it mainly depends on what the staff decides to do at the end of the day. If they decide to release Anathema TBC and Elysium TBC at the same time like you mentioned, it makes sense that people start suspecting what server will come out first. Personally, if this happens to be the case, then it would be totally possible to see Crestfall out before Anathema/Elysium TBC. Keep in mind that (assuming Anathema will actually wait Elysium to catch up) Naxxramas on Elysium will only come out around September 2018. After that, they still need some time before actually upgrading to TBC; since it wouldn't make any sense to release Naxxramas only to go TBC 1 month later, or am I wrong?

We need to be careful when we state things like "I'm willing to wait for elysium to catch up!", because it might mean that we won't see TBC even in 2018. I am myself not sure whether or not I would actually wait more than 1 year.

[Fyron 0]

12 minutes ago, Ickus said:

They've already said they don't want to do two different timelines, so I would bet Anathema and Elysium go same time... that's what they should be doing. I don't know why would wouldn't trust Crogge but you'd trust CF to release.

Because there is these kind of people who believe that CF will be a perfect godlike experience without seeing any evidence for it's quality because Asura and the others are damn good at creating a hype only with words.
It's some kind of delusional at this point.
I will believe it when there is an open beta.
 

[sumeht 9]

7 minutes ago, Fyron said:

Because there is these kind of people who believe that CF will be a perfect godlike experience without seeing any evidence for it's quality because Asura and the others are damn good at creating a hype only with words.
It's some kind of delusional at this point.
I will believe it when there is an open beta.
 

That is sadly just the state the entire private server community over the last few years.

Any project you can actually play on is garbage, any server that isn't out yet but promises the moon will be perfect.

[Hurricane2 2]

"So in my opinion, the only rational course is what I suggested earlier; release an Anathema only TBC for those who don't want to wait and to test the content, and once Elysium has had enough time with Naxx, release Elysium TBC server, but allow transfers to it from Anathema's vanilla server. That way players from Anathema who want to be a the main realm can do it, and those who don't want to wait, can start TBC earlier with the knowledge that their server will be low population server."

That's the best suggestion I've seen so far.

[Ickus 40]

5 minutes ago, Hurricane2 said:

"So in my opinion, the only rational course is what I suggested earlier; release an Anathema only TBC for those who don't want to wait and to test the content, and once Elysium has had enough time with Naxx, release Elysium TBC server, but allow transfers to it from Anathema's vanilla server. That way players from Anathema who want to be a the main realm can do it, and those who don't want to wait, can start TBC earlier with the knowledge that their server will be low population server."

That's the best suggestion I've seen so far.

No dude... release a tbc server just for it to die? That is an absolute waste of time and resources. Just wait on Elysium and let them both go to tbc... Don't do two separate timelines or even two separate servers... TWO SEPARATE SERVERS DOESNT WORK. We saw it with ZKs death and anathemas decline. Just wait on Elysium to finish naxx and then let EVERYONE go at the same time. Allow anathema ppl in the beta to test but please no go on two servers and separate timelines.

[Keala 28]

9 minutes ago, Ickus said:

No dude... release a tbc server just for it to die? That is an absolute waste of time and resources. Just wait on Elysium and let them both go to tbc... Don't do two separate timelines or even two separate servers... TWO SEPARATE SERVERS DOESNT WORK. We saw it with ZKs death and anathemas decline. Just wait on Elysium to finish naxx and then let EVERYONE go at the same time. Allow anathema ppl in the beta to test but please no go on two servers and separate timelines.

I completely agree that two different timelines should never happen ever, but I personaly think it's too early to say the same about multiple realms in general. Let's assume they will release only one TBC realm: will that server be stable enough, considering it will have the population of Anathema, Darrowshire and Elysium concentrated in the outlands? Keep in mind that even now Elysium sometimes has stability issues, there are quite a few topics popping out once in a while talking about how the server keeps crashing.

[Ickus 40]

2 minutes ago, Keala said:

I completely agree that two different timelines should never happen ever, but I personaly think it's too early to say the same about multiple realms in general. Let's assume they will release only one TBC realm: will that server be stable enough, considering it will have the population of Anathema, Darrowshire and Elysium concentrated in the outlands? Keep in mind that even now Elysium sometimes has stability issues, there are quite a few topics popping out once in a while talking about how the server keeps crashing.

Then just avoid 2 separate timelines... and be prepared to merge at a point. I think they realize this tho. Just the idea to release a tbc server and then release another on a different timeline is a horrific idea.

[Keala 28]

5 minutes ago, Ickus said:

Then just avoid 2 separate timelines... and be prepared to merge at a point. I think they realize this tho.

That's the advantage of having those realms at the same content patch. It's safe to assume that whenever they release TBC, it's gonna be overcrowded with people: only 1 realm might bring some major issues. On the other hand, If somethings goes wrong for any kind of reason on one particular realm, you can always merge them... something that cannot be done with our current Anathema, Darrowshire and Elysium realms.

[nucleardoom 0]

y not wait on servers and add cross realm pvp to be blizz like having split timelines really really sucks 

[Ickus 40]

I think one thing discovered in this thread is no one wants separate timelines. Happy the vast majority agrees on that.

[Haestingas 30]

24 minutes ago, Ickus said:

I think one thing discovered in this thread is no one wants separate timelines. Happy the vast majority agrees on that.

ICKUS https://twitter.com/elysium_dev?lang=en GET HYPE!

[Vastraum 0]

I believe that they should just have 1 server if it can handle around 8k people. if they cant, release 2 or 3 realms and then merge since the timelines would be the same (ie: zethkur). open it up when available to all servers. let anybody transfer to it as vanilla gear really doesnt matter anyway as by the time you hit 63 blues and greens are better than naxx gear. since it just a copy people can still raid on vanilla and lvl in TBC. Guaranteed most people will leave Elysium server and start fresh on TBC anyway. Fresh servers will always get the pop.