Reckoning Bomb - What procs build off eachother?

[foleet 1]

Saw a similar question on reddit, but it hasn't been answered yet. The context is trying to build a really strong reckoning bomb. 

Can someone explain what procs can build off eachother? If you have Drake Talon Cleaver with Lifesteal enchant with Seal of Righteousness, with Darkmoon Maelstrom trinket. 

1. Can LS/SoR/Maelstrom proc a DTC wound?

2. Can DTC wound/SOR/LS proc a Maelstrom?

3. Can DTC wound/SOR/Maelstrom proc a LS?

What if you replace SOR with Seal of Command? Which seal would be considered better in this case of making a huge reckbomb going for as many procs as you can. 

Thanks!

 

[Whitewolf 1]

Hand of justice should be able to proc off of the reckoning.

Otherwise the only other thing that procs the weapon proc would be SoR as it counts as a melee hit.

That being said, 3.4 weapon speed is kind of low. When it's possible I would get

http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=21856

The proc scales from spell damage and it has the nice slow speed you want.

With a reckoning bomb at full stacks you get one swing to proc. Using SoR you get 5 SoR procs. That gives you 6 (7 or more if HoJ procs) chances to proc the weapon and trinket procs. If you were to use SoC it would proc once, unless you got lucky on a HoJ proc.

I have a thought that it might be possible to seal twist to add the SoC proc, but I am currently not in a position to test that possibility.

[Nirinia 0]

anything can chain proc except those items/talents that add extra attacks like hoj and if, tf also can't chain proc. This is because it's hard coded not to allow them from multi-hit sources

[killerduki 54]

Everything can proc from Reckoning 1st swing , while from the next 4 swings only ability that can proc is SoR . (Read the Patch 1.11).

But from SoR that will proc off reckoning should give you more procs , which mean you can get procs from all 5 x SoR swings.

/Kind regards Killerduki

[Whitewolf 1]

Good to know, I'll edit my post above

[Whitewolf 1]

4 hours ago, killerduki said:

Everything can proc from Reckoning 1st swing , while from the next 4 swings only ability that can proc is SoR . (Read the Patch 1.11).

Now that I'm thinking about it, isn't it supposed to be that the extra swings have a chance to proc but from all 5 attacks you can only proc once?

[killerduki 54]

5 hours ago, Whitewolf said:

Now that I'm thinking about it, isn't it supposed to be that the extra swings have a chance to proc but from all 5 attacks you can only proc once?

The "on-next swing" abilities means = 2-3-4-5 swing by reckoning , how it explain the patchnote is a bit weird but the intention is that.

so only 1st reckoning swing can proc everything while (all swings can proc only SoR ), the thing why you might see multiple procs is because of SoR does procs   .

/Kind regards Killerduki

[Xaph 1]

On 9/15/2017 at 6:05 PM, killerduki said:

The "on-next swing" abilities means = 2-3-4-5 swing by reckoning , how it explain the patchnote is a bit weird but the intention is that.

so only 1st reckoning swing can proc everything while (all swings can proc only SoR ), the thing why you might see multiple procs is because of SoR does procs   .

/Kind regards Killerduki

Does this mean that SoR on reckoning swings should be able to proc items like HoJ for instance? And, SoR on the HoJ could theoretically proc another HoJ? I have yet to see personally a HoJ proc from anything other than the initial white swing.

[killerduki 54]

1 minute ago, Xaph said:

Does this mean that SoR on reckoning swings should be able to proc items like HoJ for instance? and SoR on the HoJ could theoretically procs another HoJ? I have yet to see personally a HoJ proc from anything other than the initial white swing.

Yes , that way it should work.

/Kind regards Killerduki

[Theloras 108]

On September 15, 2017 at 8:16 AM, foleet said:

Saw a similar question on reddit, but it hasn't been answered yet. The context is trying to build a really strong reckoning bomb. 

Can someone explain what procs can build off eachother? If you have Drake Talon Cleaver with Lifesteal enchant with Seal of Righteousness, with Darkmoon Maelstrom trinket. 

1. Can LS/SoR/Maelstrom proc a DTC wound?

2. Can DTC wound/SOR/LS proc a Maelstrom?

3. Can DTC wound/SOR/Maelstrom proc a LS?

What if you replace SOR with Seal of Command? Which seal would be considered better in this case of making a huge reckbomb going for as many procs as you can. 

Thanks!

 

1. SoR can but not the other 2

2. Yes but not LS

3. Yes, but not Maelstrom

SoR Reck does much more burst overall especially if you stack spell dmg gear and proc items.

[Theloras 108]

On September 16, 2017 at 0:09 AM, killerduki said:

Everything can proc from Reckoning 1st swing , while from the next 4 swings only ability that can proc is SoR . (Read the Patch 1.11).

But from SoR that will proc off reckoning should give you more procs , which mean you can get procs from all 5 x SoR swings.

/Kind regards Killerduki

all 5 white and 5 sor attacks all have a chance to proc lifestealing, maelstrom, Drake Talon

[Xaph 1]

If I understand correctly, physical damage procs or wounds can proc other coh items? Does that mean somethingn like http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=12583 is better than TUF for reck bombs?

[Whitewolf 1]

3 hours ago, Xaph said:

If I understand correctly, physical damage procs or wounds can proc other coh items? Does that mean somethingn like http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=12583 is better than TUF for reck bombs?

That depends on the proc rate. Using the doomsaw you will be missing ~43% of your attack power as damage (not counting crits) over a 4 stack swing because it has a faster attack speed. ~43% of your spell damage as damage unbuffed is gone also if you use SoR (you should).

Also it does 24 damage per swing less because of the lower weapon dps.

[killerduki 54]

21 hours ago, Theloras said:

all 5 white and 5 sor attacks all have a chance to proc lifestealing, maelstrom, Drake Talon

i stand corrected then . Not sure still about the Maelstrom/Drake Talon , but lifestealing i think should work , it is enchant,not item.

/Kind regards Killerduki

[Theloras 108]

14 hours ago, Xaph said:

If I understand correctly, physical damage procs or wounds can proc other coh items? Does that mean somethingn like http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=12583 is better than TUF for reck bombs?

they're both good - more dmg and overall stats on tuf vs chance to proc more procs

also the zg polearm is also excellent for reck as it is an upgraded version of the Doomsaw

[Theloras 108]

8 hours ago, killerduki said:

i stand corrected then . Not sure still about the Maelstrom/Drake Talon , but lifestealing i think should work , it is enchant,not item.

/Kind regards Killerduki

drake talon is a melee proc so it can proc stuff - the EPL video from Vanilla with the Paladin attacking the scarlet elites shows that Fiery enchant would proc off of white, SoC/JoC and Drake Talon proc

[killerduki 54]

4 hours ago, Theloras said:

drake talon is a melee proc so it can proc stuff - the EPL video from Vanilla with the Paladin attacking the scarlet elites shows that Fiery enchant would proc off of white, SoC/JoC and Drake Talon proc

I am bit confused, because we don't talk about SoC and JoC , we talk about Reckoning white swings (2-3-4-5) .

I don't deny the enchants , they suppose to proc from all , the Items proc from 2-3-4-5 swings is the issue ,  i think they should not do from reck stacks according to patch 1.11. (not items who have 100% proc rate ,items who have chance to proc or ppm).

For example SoC and Maelstrom have 1 thing in common , ppm .

/Kind regards Killerduki

 

[Theloras 108]

14 hours ago, killerduki said:

I am bit confused, because we don't talk about SoC and JoC , we talk about Reckoning white swings (2-3-4-5) .

I don't deny the enchants , they suppose to proc from all , the Items proc from 2-3-4-5 swings is the issue ,  i think they should not do from reck stacks according to patch 1.11. (not items who have 100% proc rate ,items who have chance to proc or ppm).

For example SoC and Maelstrom have 1 thing in common , ppm .

/Kind regards Killerduki

 

what specifically in the 1.11 patch notes are you referring to?

[killerduki 54]

18 hours ago, Theloras said:

what specifically in the 1.11 patch notes are you referring to?

1.11 or 1.12 it was

on-next swing abilities no longer proc items.

/Kind regards Killerduki

[Theloras 108]

On 10/3/2017 at 4:08 PM, killerduki said:

1.11 or 1.12 it was

on-next swing abilities no longer proc items.

/Kind regards Killerduki

I would say that Reck charges aren't in the same category as say Heroic Strike

[Xaph 1]

15 hours ago, Theloras said:

I would say that Reck charges aren't in the same category as say Heroic Strike

I don't think it's on-next swing but extra swing category abilities that cannot proc items.