Diremaul Last Boss North (King) Prevent Bug Abuse.

[Hurricane2 2]

The vast majority want it to be fair.  You do not.  That is an argument in which you will never get the admins to change their minds and for good reason.

[rajinsu 8]

12 hours ago, Hurricane2 said:

The vast majority want it to be fair.  You do not.  That is an argument in which you will never get the admins to change their minds and for good reason.

if u want fair u are playing the wrong game one class will have some over another class dps goldfarimg or so on. all the nerfs some classes seen are just killing what made them fun.Being able to do something another class could not.

fair loooooooool

 

 

 

[Hurricane2 2]

Nothing is going to be 100% fair but you're trying to make it as unfair as possible.  That is illogical.  Your idea sucks, you have no argument and even if you did it's not going to change.

[Slicy 11]

I don't understand why even talk about fairness here ? If you play a class with very low gph capabilities, what prevents you from lvling a hunter or a mage or whatever ?

Or are you gonna say this is not fair either because there are players who can and will play the game more than you ?

Following your reasoning everything should be dull, even, fair etc even concerning classes and specs gameplays ? To what end ? This expansion isn't about fairness, it's supposed to be savage and unfair. Just go play retail lmao.

 

[TheRealJindo 1]

Slicy, this argument is basically retarded. Blizzard never intended for some classes (e.g. hunters) to make these amounts of gold, and they certainly didn't have it in mind while they made the content. Remember this is vanilla we're talking about, Blizzard was very inexperienced in this aspect of the game. Forcing people to mass roll hunters just so they can get the highest GPH in-game is a retarded thing to do, and you know it. Us hardcore players might not care (though some don't want to roll a hunter), but the majority of the playerbase wouldn't be doing it. What does htis mean? A destructive economy, that's right. Do you want that? Of course you do, you'd have your hunter. Is it good for the server? Of course not, it's not interactive at all.

[Jamirus 0]

9 hours ago, TheRealJindo said:

Slicy, this argument is basically retarded. Blizzard never intended for some classes (e.g. hunters) to make these amounts of gold, and they certainly didn't have it in mind while they made the content. Remember this is vanilla we're talking about, Blizzard was very inexperienced in this aspect of the game. Forcing people to mass roll hunters just so they can get the highest GPH in-game is a retarded thing to do, and you know it. Us hardcore players might not care (though some don't want to roll a hunter), but the majority of the playerbase wouldn't be doing it. What does htis mean? A destructive economy, that's right. Do you want that? Of course you do, you'd have your hunter. Is it good for the server? Of course not, it's not interactive at all.

By that logic then other classes DPS potential should see a nerf or hunters DPS potential should see a buff due to hunters being the least gear dependent class in the game.  By Naxxramas hunters are bottom of the barrel and seeing only one hunter per raid will start to become normal.  Should we see more custom fixes to make things "fair"?

I don't think blizzard intended hunters ability to be able to solo DM:N but I also don't think they intended a pure dps class to have considerably lower damage compared to others.  This was why they received a buff in TBC.

[Undertanker 88]

6 hours ago, Jamirus said:

By that logic then other classes DPS potential should see a nerf or hunters DPS potential should see a buff due to hunters being the least gear dependent class in the game.  By Naxxramas hunters are bottom of the barrel and seeing only one hunter per raid will start to become normal.  Should we see more custom fixes to make things "fair"?

I don't think blizzard intended hunters ability to be able to solo DM:N but I also don't think they intended a pure dps class to have considerably lower damage compared to others.  This was why they received a buff in TBC.

Yeah you make a good point on this.   Pretty much people don't want to feel they have to roll Hunter/Mage to make gold as they don't want to invest that time.   They forget that in Naxx, that some hunters had to have alts of pure dps / healer classes.  Bring your hunter for x fight, and then swap to your alt so you can be productive.  It worked well since gear tokens were available the obligation to be at 100% of all boss kills incase RNGesus decided to show up was not as harsh.

I see people state a lot they are gonna level a mage/hunter as a farm alt.  My question to them is, well how much gold to you plan on farming with it and see if it is actually worth it to them.

As a Prot warrior I can make 40-60GPH on Anathema easy with different methods, none that involve herbing/mining.  (forgive me for not sharing my ways).  So take the mid of 50GPH.  Let's say a hunter is managing 100GPH before DM nerf.   It takes me 8 days played to get to 60, + the time investment of getting gear to perform this task.  Do some pre-raid gearing.  So I can now get in a few pug MCs/guild alt runs and lets say 12 days played (288 hours) you got a decent hunter alt to pull off DM North solo pretty quickly I got minimal my T1 and Hunter Quest Bow.

Now you are ready to farm DM North forever (pre-nerf).  Or I could have just got 50GPH on my prot warrior instead in the same time investment.

 

0 Hours of farming on Hunter Alt:

Hunter 0 gold.

Prot warrior: 14,400g.

100 Hours of farming on Hunter Alt:

Hunter 10,000g.

Prot warrior: 19,400g

150 hours farming on Hunter Alt:

Hunter 15,000g

Prot Warrior: 21,900g

250 hours farming on Hunter Alt:

Hunter 25,000g

Prot Warrior: 26,900g

289 hours farming on Hunter Alt:

Hunter 28,900g

Prot Warrior: 28,850g

 

It would take another 12 days played on top of leveling and gearing (24 days played on hunter) to make more gold than you could just by playing your "non gold making main".   

The ironic thing about the break even point is in another thread I did the math on how expensive Naxx + AQ raiding weekly would be with current consumable prices using 5 flask a week as well (1 for Twin Emps + and 2 for each Naxx night) it came out to around 25,000g needed to sustain full consumables for 6 months of raiding both.

So do you really need that farming alt? Seeing as I can cover my raiding cost at 50% the GPH rate of the Hunter I have to contribute time to?

 

 

 

 

[TheRealJindo 1]

What you forget is that the gold from DMT farming is guaranteed, stable, and will remain the same throughout time. Your prot warrior farm is unreliable at best, heavily gear dependent, and population depedent. You can't bring that as a good counterexample, it's simply a whole different case. Mage farming BRD would be comparible, some farming method that's secure.

[Alrik 6]

On 11.4.2017 at 10:09 AM, Undertanker said:

It would take another 12 days played on top of leveling and gearing (24 days played on hunter) to make more gold than you could just by playing your "non gold making main".   

 

 

 

 

Which is very little.

My Mage has around 60 Days @ lvl 60 on it. And thats an farming Alt. (Yes, i do work and have a RL)

[Hurricane2 2]

3 hours ago, Alrik said:

Which is very little.

My Mage has around 60 Days @ lvl 60 on it. And thats an farming Alt. (Yes, i do work and have a RL)

That would take close to a year if you played 5 hours a day.  How could that be an alt?

[Zarant 2]

If you are concerned about hunters ruining the economy, you could just reduce the vendor value from the items of the tribute chest by 75% and make them not disenchantable.

There are many other ways to address the issue, you can change the patrol speeds, aggro range and creature AI to make it a living hell for inexperienced hunters. If you're willing to go a non blizzlike route, you could even consider adding more hyena packs next to king gordok just to slow hunters in a way that you could only do about 2 runs per hour. By adding custom mechanics to king gordok to just not allow hunters to solo it for any other purposes than gold is just stupid, this is just lazy and thoughtless game design.

That is what the vanilla hunter is all about, you are a pure damage class that deals no significant damage but the class mechanics makes up for it, it is what keeps the class interesting to play with.

[Undertanker 88]

On 4/12/2017 at 1:39 AM, TheRealJindo said:

What you forget is that the gold from DMT farming is guaranteed, stable, and will remain the same throughout time. Your prot warrior farm is unreliable at best, heavily gear dependent, and population depedent. You can't bring that as a good counterexample, it's simply a whole different case. Mage farming BRD would be comparible, some farming method that's secure.

The DMT farming is fixed income outside of shards and major mana potions (which would be much cheaper if they could farm it again).  

You have no clue what I farm and call it unreliable.  The majority of what I do farm are things that are much lower level and I can 2-3 shot.  The majority of what I farm increases in server demand 5 fold with AQ and Naxx.  My 50g per hour will be a lot more in later content, and will increase with inflation.  While pickpocket farming and vendoring blues will always remain the same.

So.........  you were saying?

[TheRealJindo 1]

Alright yeah, sure. In your case it can be different; but that's more the exception rather than the rule, wouldn't you say?