Shadow Priest Theorycraft by Killerduki

[Asphycsia 0]

Did Intellect shown better than Spell Damage? Yes it did and that is fact.

Does Intellect boost value of Spell Damage? Yes it does and that is fact. 

 

In an extreme circumstance cherry picked ideology that will never exist for a person that gears appropriately.

 

 

Stop talking or actually keep talking tbh because you are providing the same type of entertainment the kardashians do. We all know they are inconsequential and retarded but there are a number of people that can't get enough of em. 

 

 

Your arguement about an actual game mechanic of holy resist has absolutely nothing to do with this topic so for you even to site that you are grasping at straws. Yes you are right about holy resist. But this isnt some bug in a game this is you not applying appropriate parameters to theorycrafting what gearing method a shadowpriest should persue

Edited December 8, 2016 by Asphycsia

[Asphycsia 0]

Overall what the general community can get from this thread is that you have no concept of legitimate real in game application of theorycrafting. That is the exact message 

 

 

P.S inb4 the other pally shows up to support his mentor. I would hope even that person realizes what we are trying to explain to duki.

Edited December 8, 2016 by Asphycsia

[killerduki 54]

 

By Killerduki:

Did Intellect shown better than Spell Damage? Yes it did and that is fact.

Does Intellect boost value of Spell Damage? Yes it does and that is fact. 

 

 

In an extreme circumstance cherry picked ideology that will never exist for a person that gears appropriately.

 

Stop talking or actually keep talking tbh because you are providing the same type of entertainment the kardashians do. We all know they are inconsequential and retarded but there are a number of people that can't get enough of em. 

 

Your're arguement about an actual game mechanic of holy resist has absolutely nothing to do with this topic so for you even to site that you are grasping at straws. Yes you are right about holy resist. But this isnt some bug in a game this is you not applying appropriate parameters to theorycrafting what gearing method a shadowpriest should persue

 

 

Alright you don't want to see "Cherrypick Stats".

Fine.

 

Let this be your lesson forever:

 

http://kronos-logs.com/boss_info/boss/Nefarian

 

Ruktuku 851.6 DPS on Nefarian.

Bezawit  426.1 DPS on Nefarian.

 

Ruktuku : 500 Spell Damage on his Gear

Bezawit : 500 Spell Damage on his Gear

 

Ruktuku :162 Intellect.

Bezawit : 118 Intellect.

 

Ruktuku : 7 Mp5

Bezawit: 21 Mp5

 

You did wanted "non cherry pick stats" , you got them. Nearly Twice more DPS thanks to Intellect .

 

/Kind regards Killerduki

Edited December 8, 2016 by killerduki

[Asphycsia 0]

So you are going to compare a 1:42 minute fight to a 5:25 minute fight. Which comes down to the rest of the groups dps.

 

The average ilvl for for ruk is 76.2 while the ilvl for bezwit is 68.something.

 

Once again you prove your outlook on theorycrafting to be absolutely retarded.

 

Twice the dps had nothing to do with intellect it had to do with the length of the fight you god damn moron

 

Thank you for proving everyone else's point that you really have no concept of actual theorycrafting

Edited December 8, 2016 by Asphycsia

[Asphycsia 0]

Once again take a gear set and use the avg fight length for a boss with raid buffs and consumes used. Now look at the benefits of adding 1 spellpower vs 1 intellect. That is the proper way to theorycraft stat weights.

Edited December 8, 2016 by Asphycsia

[Asphycsia 0]

im pretty sure between myself, cry, docholly, and maxvla we even convinced your fan boys or somewhat sympathetic people like undertanker to say you are 100% in the wrong when it comes to realistic theorycrafting

 

on that note i quit seeing as cry's post is pinned hopefully aspiring shadowpriests look at that and not your фекал show

Edited December 8, 2016 by Asphycsia

[cryofsorrow 5]

Kilergooby, pls. Stop embarrassing yourself. You can't compare two players' DPS when they were not in the same raid. Also, we can't see consumables used or innervates/mana tides recieved. How is this even a proof?
Why is it so hard for you to say 'sorry, i was wrong' and end it.

[Undertanker 88]

somewhat sympathetic people like undertanker

 

Lost my sh it when I saw that.   Funny.

[killerduki 54]

Kilergooby, pls. Stop embarrassing yourself. You can't compare two players' DPS when they were not in the same raid. Also, we can't see consumables used or innervates/mana tides recieved. How is this even a proof?

Why is it so hard for you to say 'sorry, i was wrong' and end it.

 

You gave nothing , no evidence , no formula , literally nothing to confirm your claim.

You was owned by your own Spread Sheet when you decide to test my formula, you was also owned by "non cherry peak" logs and you still deny it with every possible excuse in earth.

 

I know what bothers you , to be wrong and i can understand that.

 

/Kind regards Killerduki

[cryofsorrow 5]

Doki, you are going postal. I gave you calculations in my first post in this thread. Others showed you different situations with Intellect vs Spell Power, it was explained why intellect>sp sucks, wtf more do you want? What's the point of your posts!?

[davfer 0]

So let me get this straight killerduki 34 intellect is the reason why Rukutuku did double bezawit's dps on nefarian. It had nothing to do with the first fight lasting 102 seconds while the second was 325 seconds.......

 

Edited December 8, 2016 by davfer

[killerduki 54]

Doki, you are going postal. I gave you calculations in my first post in this thread. Others showed you different situations with Intellect vs Spell Power, it was explained why intellect>sp sucks, wtf more do you want? What's the point of your posts!?

 

Calculation you gave based on Infinite Mana , i am sorry but you are completely irrelevant here. Why do you even bother ..

Others was also rekt by their own Spread Sheet and evidence is there.

 

Thanks to reymond exposing this so i will post this Video for your "infinite mana" Theorycraft.

 

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5wtjt_mana-mana-shadow-priest-pves-song_videogames

 

From now on i will call you Infinite Mana.

 

/Kind regards Killerduki

Edited December 8, 2016 by killerduki

[cryofsorrow 5]

Calculation you gave based on Infinite Mana , i am sorry but you are completely irrelevant here. Why do you even bother ..

Others was also rekt by their own Spread Sheet and evidence is there.

 

Thanks to reymond exposing this so i will post this Video for your "infinite mana" Theorycraft.

 

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5wtjt_mana-mana-shadow-priest-pves-song_videogames

 

From now on i will call you Infinite Mana.

 

/Kind regards Killerduki

I actually gave two rotations on both of my calculations.

You are the most useless participant in a conversation ever.

Edited December 8, 2016 by cryofsorrow

[Phnom 1]

Alright you don't want to see "Cherrypick Stats".

Fine.

 

Let this be your lesson forever:

 

http://kronos-logs.com/boss_info/boss/Nefarian

 

Ruktuku 851.6 DPS on Nefarian.

Bezawit  426.1 DPS on Nefarian.

 

Ruktuku : 500 Spell Damage on his Gear

Bezawit : 500 Spell Damage on his Gear

 

Ruktuku :162 Intellect.

Bezawit : 118 Intellect.

 

Ruktuku : 7 Mp5

Bezawit: 21 Mp5

 

You did wanted "non cherry pick stats" , you got them. Nearly Twice more DPS thanks to Intellect .

 

/Kind regards Killerduki

How can you pick one character with almost BiS AQ40 gear in a fight of 102 seconds and compare it to a character wearing 7 blues in a fight of 325 seconds? You do not think this is in any way cherry picked circumstances? 

"Let this be your lesson forever". "You did wanted "non cherry pick stats" , you got them. Nearly Twice more DPS thanks to Intellect". I am speechless. This Killerduki has to be a troll.

My previous post appears to be removed, though I can explain it in short: Killerduki claimed that warriors rage should decay in combat. This severe lack of knowledge of the class did not prevent him from writing an essay on how rage generation is wrong. Although he might be right in one of the situations, where spell damage generates wrong ammount of rage. The point is that he still spreads his every word as well proven facts even though he is multiple times proved wrong.

/Kind regards Phnom

[Theloras 108]

"Killerduki claimed that warriors rage should decay in combat." - stop lying because he never said that - he made a mistake and thought you were OOC but were in fact still in combat due to entering the next boss phase and he even admitted that he was wrong in his next post.

 

As for me personally, I wanted this to be flushed out myself because I can tell you with 100% assurance that given current conditions on Nost/Elysium, using Flask of Distilled Wisdom is much better than Flask of Supreme Power for Ret DPS as it allows spamming of max rank Consecration throughout the length of any boss fight.

 

As I said earlier in this thread, Smiter would pop a Distilled Wisdom every raid both here and on Vanilla Gaming and would top meters so I was curious to see with this Priest example if going for the T2 3set bonus (an extra +15% mana regen during combat) instead of +spell dmg items and focusing on INT would provide more damage over the long run.

 

Unless you test things out, no one knows for sure - experiment and try new things.

[davfer 0]

 

Unless you test things out, no one knows for sure - experiment and try new things.

 

 

That's fine and no one is saying not to see where you can improve or tweak things. However after reading through this entire thing, it shows how seriously flawed his thoughts are on what consitutes valid testing of circumstances and mechanics. He has intentionally picked instances and setups that wouldn't realistically happen in a raid environment. He has tried to use logs of 2 different raids that can not be equally comparable given gear differences across the board, fight lengths, etc and then says "See there is my proof". These are the types of posts that lend credence to why people think he is a troll.

Edited December 8, 2016 by davfer

[Phnom 1]

Regarding the above compared priests, how come the 34 intellect is the major factor in this damage increase, and not the increase of spell damage(or other factors)? I would for one not compare two different lengths when talking about DPS. I don't fully understand the intellect vs spell damage so if either of you, Killerduki or Theloras, could explain to me in which realistic situation the intellect is better, I would be thankful. It seems to me that in any relistic situation, where people are actually buffed and have talents picked, the spell damage trumps intellect?

 

 

 

"Killerduki claimed that warriors rage should decay in combat." - stop lying because he never said that - he made a mistake and thought you were OOC but were in fact still in combat due to entering the next boss phase and he even admitted that he was wrong in his next post.

 

@Theloras Well, then, I made a mistake. I misinterpreted his phrase "0:06 - 0:10 = 4 seconds you can notice that his Rage did not decay either during Combat." in which I believe you mean tell me that he thought the warrior in the movie was OOC?

Surely, he later said "Ok i was wrong on that , what makes you feel so enjoying to insult someone ? Born in Cave ?" - which I obviously missed.

[killerduki 54]

Regarding the above compared priests, how come the 34 intellect is the major factor in this damage increase, and not the increase of spell damage(or other factors)? I would for one not compare two different lengths when talking about DPS. I don't fully understand the intellect vs spell damage so if either of you, Killerduki or Theloras, could explain to me in which realistic situation the intellect is better, I would be thankful. It seems to me that in any relistic situation, where people are actually buffed and have talents picked, the spell damage trumps intellect?

 

1- That is reason why the 3 trolls which derail my thread are doing that , they simple can't understand what does it mean theorycraft at the very first thing.

 

-Intellect - increase the X amount of mana which result to extra X duration of fight and increasing X increased Damage done (DPS) for the duration.

-Intellect - boost the duration of Spell Damage scaling it's maximum coefficient for X duration of time.

-Intellect - it can only be replaced with Mp5 or balanced between Mp5 because it regenerate the mana by X amount which also result to extra Damage done for the X duration of fight.

 

Priest currently don't have any special form of Regenerating mana like Mages Gems/Evocation and Warlocks Lifetap , this makes Shadow Priest more hungry for mana due to his expensive Abilities.

 

The reason why Intellect vs Spell Damage is because they both have different value and increase different amount of damage done for X duration of time.

 

34 Intellect was comparing to 34 Spell Damage to see which stat will result better DPS for X duration of time, so shadow priest should focus on that stat as priority over other stat if Item have X amount of both stats compare to another item with different way of stats (example one item have 34 Spell Damage and 8 Intellect vs another item have 34 Intellect 8 Spell Damage).

 

@Theloras Well, then, I made a mistake. I misinterpreted his phrase "0:06 - 0:10 = 4 seconds you can notice that his Rage did not decay either during Combat." in which I believe you mean tell me that he thought the warrior in the movie was OOC?

Surely, he later said "Ok i was wrong on that , what makes you feel so enjoying to insult someone ? Born in Cave ?" - which I obviously missed.

 

 

Since you come to talk about my words used and you tend to ignore the guy which my words was used against .

 

Here is a big answer for you:

 

 

Also, I want to ask you a few questions regarding why you keep posting, in my eyes, very weird theorycrafting and claims? What do you get out from doing this, when people are very.. negative of what you have to say? How come that you post so much theories, and while they are shot down, you keep defending them when there are many people proving you wrong?

 

Nothing was proven by their own side , literally . They went for something which is mathematically incorrect , the "combat log" that guy was trying to show and claim as his evidence was based of "infinite mana" without Intellect and Mp5 explained,which is 100% unrealistic.

 

The other guys that was trying to prove , they even build their own spread sheet and their own spread sheet even proved them wrong , when they saw that they are wrong, then they used their excuse "cherry pick", instead what was the purpose of the formula written and why there was "Intellect vs Spell Damage".

 

On top of this, you do very rude things like writing: "That's why i love Google Chrome and HTML , i can always reduce the speed of any Video and see Details  ". Later in the same thread, you are proven wrong on a video and you just bragged about how it is so easy to watch and reduce speed on videos, in order not to miss any details. Then you just drop it and move on to the next matter, without any word on this.

 

You talk about this : https://forum.elysium-project.org/index.php?showtopic=22647&p=244135

 

sorry but nothing was proven wrong about that, even if i got mistaken with some detail i surely admitted unlike other troll "which you call them peaceful and you call me rude" is insulting like 10 year old crybaby kid with the words used :

you can't be that ваууing retarded.

If my words sound rude compare to this kid writing this words , then i don't know what you in western civilization know what is rude or not. (clearly someone need complete education or is born in cave or wild jungle 100%).

 

I am sorry but even if i am wrong 500% , this kind of words are never acceptable from me and i will never tolerate childish behavior , neither he said sorry for insulting when i admitted the "part" which i was wrong.

 

Do you realise why you come off as an asshole while doing this?

On the Priest forum where you give a guide on shadow priests, you take an example of two characters and compare them. This in itself is not wrong. But you say that you wont prove any cherry picked circumstances.

 

That's why you got screenshot by the same person denying me where he personally tested and he got proven wrong.

 

8.

 

9.

 

One of the priests is AQ40 geared.

The other one is far from BWL geared.

You compare them in two different fights, where one takes ~100 seconds and the other ~300 seconds. Then you claim that the DPS is better, thanks to an increase of ~34 intellect.

Do you not realise why the Damage Per Second always will be uncompareable if you don't compare fights with the same length? Why do you not consider the extra ammount of spell damage the AQ40 geared priest has compared to the other one? How can you oversee these facts and then claim that this is "not cherry picked information"? Because this, this is indeed cherry picked information.

 

When i was telling him to use separate and "cherry pick" stats explaining each stat per X seconds how much will benefit , he denied asking for "Non cherry pick" , well he got the answer he deserve and he got rekt by that , he got clearly non cherry pick dps log.

 

If he dare to ignore stuffs then why would i care about his ways either ?

 

/Kind regards Killerduki

Edited December 9, 2016 by killerduki

[Starboy 0]

Making shadow priests great again. Keep it up Duki!

[cryofsorrow 5]

Your posts are simply wrong, Doki. You love to ignore total parts of posts which is another fine trait of yours. ваууing troll.

[Bezawit 0]

Did you really compare my 5:25 minute kill made almost a year ago to a 90 second log from a few months ago and try to convince people Ruk did double my dps because he has 44 more intellect??

Even following your very flawed logic, the 14mp5 you listed me as having over Ruk would have translated into more mana than what 44 intellect provides on a 5:25 minute fight.

Not only that but you also claim we both have 500 spell power?? He has 671 shadow damage compared to my 471 shadow damage. What nonsense!

[Bezawit 0]

AND I'm alliance, he is horde. Our intellect is practically the same (5 difference) when I have kings!

[killerduki 54]

Did you really compare my 5:25 minute kill made almost a year ago to a 90 second log from a few months ago and try to convince people Ruk did double my dps because he has 44 more intellect??

Even following your very flawed logic, the 14mp5 you listed me as having over Ruk would have translated into more mana than what 44 intellect provides on a 5:25 minute fight.

Not only that but you also claim we both have 500 spell power?? He has 671 shadow damage compared to my 471 shadow damage. What nonsense!

Fixed for you with another person with same amount of "shadow spell power like you".

 

http://kronos-logs.com/boss_info/boss/Nefarian

 

Bezawit - 500 Shadow spell power

Livmoor - 500 Shadow spell power

 

Bezawit - 122 Intellect + Kings = 134 Intellect

Livmoor - 214 Intellect

 

Bezawit - 21 Mp5 + Kings = 22 Mp5

Livmoor - 22 Mp5

 

Bezawit - 426 DPS

Livmoor - 546 DPS

 

/Kind regards Killerduki

Edited December 9, 2016 by killerduki

[Bezawit 0]

Fight length 3 minutes. Livmoor 672 shadow damage.

Fight length 5:25 minutes. Bezawit 471 shadow damage.

And I'm not sure why you seem to think kings buffs mp5 by 10% because it definitely does not. Also kings buffs your total amount of intellect by 10%, not just the intellect you gain from gear.

Do you also seriously think you can compare two logs and form a conclusion about stat weights? You dont know how often someone had to move, shield themself, who got feared, who is using what consumable, who has what world buff, who is executing their priority list better, who is accidentally clipping mind flay with itself and different fight lengths. You need to sim a few thousand times just to even start getting accurate stat weights.

Edited December 9, 2016 by Bezawit

[killerduki 54]

Fight length 3 minutes. Livmoor 672 shadow damage.

Fight length 5:25 minutes. Bezawit 471 shadow damage.

And I'm not sure why you seem to think kings buffs mp5 by 10% because it definitely does not. Also kings buffs your total amount of intellect by 10%, not just the intellect you gain from gear.

Do you also seriously think you can compare two logs and form a conclusion about stat weights? You dont know how often someone had to move, shield themself, who got feared, who is using what consumable, who has what world buff, and different fight lengths. You need to sim a few thousand times just to even start getting accurate stat weights.

 

You want details ?

Ok

 

 

 

Base Intellect = 120

Base Spirit = 137

 

Bezawit - 501 Shadow spell power + Trinket that increase Spell Power by 200 = 701 Shadow spell power.

Livmoor - 539 Shadow spell power.

 

Bezawit - 122 Intellect + Kings + Base Stats = 266 Intellect

Livmoor - 214 Intellect + Base Stats = 334 Intellect

 

Bezawit - 21 Mp5 + Kings Thanks to extra 15 Spirit (calculating via Meditation only) = 22 Mp5

Livmoor - 22 Mp5

 

http://kronos-logs.com/boss_info/boss/Nefarian

 

Bezawit - 426 DPS

Livmoor - 546 DPS

 

/Kind regards Killerduki

Edited December 9, 2016 by killerduki