Does Nost allow Graphical improvement Mods?

[cryofsorrow 5]

We don't by any means want to become any kind of exclusive club, so please welcome people that comes here and accept suggestions as what they are, suggestions.

Fair enough dude, but these suggestions have been floating around ever since Nostalrius 1.0 launched.

Main reason why adding, editting, manipulating in any way of the MPQ files will not be allowed is:

If its "easy" to whitelist; open an educated suggestion in the suggestion board. Maybe with some technical data and good arguments your suggestion, and wish, will come true. As of now the "NO" stands fixed and further discussion leads to nothing.

They don't allow any changes because they can't see what you changed in game. So They will not allow it. Stop create 1000 topics .

Also, here are some links from the old Nostalrius forums:

http://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=30385&hilit=model&start=10#p218648 <- especially this one

http://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=24732 <- this one has the most comprehensive talk on the matter, especially Jeniwyn's posts

http://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=26346

https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=12643&p=80600#p81049

In before "but may be the new team will allow it" - I highly doubt it, and I think your only option to make it work is following Lootolf's suggestion; make a post containing the information how ONLY the new models will be whitelisted. Untill then, sadly, you are stuck with the vanilla models.

Or, I might be absolutely wrong about all this and you guys get a GM/Developer/Administrator note soon that you'll be able to do this.

Edited December 1, 2016 by cryofsorrow

[khiori 0]

Yes, don't touch the game. Only fix bugs and make a perfect clone of vanilla experience.

Yes a perfect clone. So we have to cap the servers and allow multi boxing and undo the changes made to Dire Maul that keep people from farming it for gold. And undo  any other changes that are not Blizz like. Right?

Edited December 1, 2016 by khiori

[windslav 2]

Yes a perfect clone. So we have to cap the servers and allow multi boxing and undo the changes made to Dire Maul that keep people from farming it for gold. And undo  any other changes that are not Blizz like. Right?

Yeah, they also have a timetable of every crash the official servers had. We're going to relive the past down to the minutest detail.

All for the sake of not allowing you to feel pretty.

[khiori 0]

Yeah, they also have a timetable of every crash the official servers had. We're going to relive the past down to the minutest detail.

All for the sake of not allowing you to feel pretty.

Personally I don't want to use the mod. But I am smart enough to realize that some one else using it will not have any effect on my game play what so ever.

[Shayss 43]

smart enough

 

 

You should put those words in " "

 

 

This topic is pointless. IT_WILL_NEVER_HAPPEN.

 

If you disagree, that's cool. You have a game tailored specificaly to your needs.

 

Retail -------------------------->

[arbet 9]

I honestly don't know why people continue to девушка легкого поведения about this, it's not gonna happen because this is a vanilla server designed to preserve the vanilla experience. simple as that. get over it.

[Destron 2]

The problem is people pick and choose what they deem classic.

[khiori 0]

You all keep arguing that you want a Blizz like server but Nost was not Blizz like. What made it popular was it's population. Not that it was Blizz like.

It was a good server with good scripting. But they had made changes to not exactly be Blizz like. The massive population was it's biggest draw.

Edited December 1, 2016 by khiori

[murray 5]

just give the old models a chance and try respect the game as it was created, maybe you will come to like it that way much more than mix of old/new

[Shayss 43]

You all keep arguing that you want a Blizz like server but Nost was not Blizz like. What made it popular was it's population. Not that it was Blizz like.

It was a good server with good scripting. But they had made changes to not exactly be Blizz like. The massive population was it's biggest draw.

 

Yeah let's just FORGET that it's not, TBC, not Wrath, not Cata, not Mists, not WoD, not Legion.

 

Let's just forget that the game is completely different from how it is now.

 

Please. Pop was for sure the biggest draw, I agree, but the second biggest draw was a blizz "LIKE", not blizz "SAME", server that just so happens to be vanilla WoW before corporate greed took over.

[Tholren 7]

So, for a person like me, who prefers the vanilla graphics on a VANILLA server, i am choosing the visually less rewarding gameplay experience?

 

LoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooL.

 

Sersiously all these guys who want the shitty new models are literally coming straight out of retail. They probably won't last a week since they already feel entitled to these models on a server made for vanilla players. I don't care if it doesn't directly affect me. I do care that they think they should be able to modify the game client to satisfy thier retails needs. What next bro? You want some free epics aswell.

 

This topic is pointless. IT_WILL_NEVER_HAPPEN.

 

If you disagree, that's cool. You have a game tailored specificaly to your needs.

 

Retail -------------------------->

 

If you deem the old models as the most rewarding of the visual experiences, then by all means, use and enjoy them. I find absolutely nothing wrong with that. 

Why advocate against people using the newer models? How does it affect you, personally? How does the desire to see more polygons and different animations in a character model translates into wanting "some free epics as well"? Is the desire for a better graphical experience a "retail need"? By all means, do explain what you consider to be "retail needs".

 

I look forward to your many, to be sure, logical and well thought arguments.  

Edited December 1, 2016 by Tholren

[Shayss 43]

I look forward to your many, to be sure, logical and well thought arguments.  

 

I know you playin me, but I don't mind sharing

 

It is simple and it is stated in my previous post, I will elaborate for you though, through an example.

 

I am a person who likes steak. Steak tastes great so I eat it often at a steakhouse! One day I see a new restaurant across the road open up. I decide to take a look, it looks nice but all they serve is fish. I say to the waiter, you have a really nice restaurant but what I am looking for is something that tastes like steak. The waiter tells me they only serve fish, but the restaurant across the road sells great steaks!

 

I get annoyed with the waiter because I want to eat steak here instead. The other people eating fish at the resaurant looks at me throwing my hissy fit. "Why doesn't he just go to the steakhouse across the road if he wants steak?" they ask one another. The waiter calls his manager and the manager confirms "sorry sir, we do not sell steak here. This place is famous for our magnificent fish dishes!" I say to the manager "It doesn't affect your other customers, I just want steak here"  The manager replies "Our fish dishes are what makes our restaurant special, what is the point of coming to our restaurant if you don't want to eat our fish".

 

The choice is now in my hands. I can stay and eat the fish dishes that the restaurant specialises in or I can go across the road and eat steak at my usual joint.

 

THE END.

 

TL:DR - There is a product available for the needs of people who wish to have these non-vanilla features. It is currently called World of Warcraft: Legion. This project (Elysium) doesn't "sell your steak here". It sells some nice fish though if you want to eat that instead.

 

Edited December 1, 2016 by Shayss

[Tholren 7]

I am a person who likes steak. Steak tastes great so I eat it often at a steakhouse! One day I see a new restaurant across the road open up. I decide to take a look, it looks nice but all they serve is fish. I say to the waiter, you have a really nice restaurant but what I am looking for is something that tastes like steak. The waiter tells me they only serve fish, but the restaurant across the road sells great steaks!

 

I get annoyed with the waiter because I want to eat steak here instead. The other people eating fish at the restaurant looks at me throwing my hissy fit. "Why doesn't he just go to the steakhouse across the road if he wants steak?" they ask one another. The waiter calls his manager and the manager confirms "sorry sir, we do not sell steak here. This place is famous for our magnificent fish dishes!" I say to the manager "It doesn't affect your other customers, I just want steak here"  The manager replies "Our fish dishes are what makes our restaurant special, what is the point of coming to our restaurant if you don't want to eat our fish".

 

The choice is now in my hands. I can stay and eat the fish dishes that the restaurant specializes in or I can go across the road and eat steak at my usual joint.

 

 

There is a problem in your analogy. You categorize the new/old models and retail/vanilla as steak and fish, steakhouse and "restaurant that only sells fish", respectively. That is not quite right, if anything, the new models are steak in the steakhouse and the older models are differently cooked steak in the steakhouse. We ask only that the steakhouse can cook steak according to it's clients' needs. No one throws a fit, or asks for impossible tasks, like eating steak in a restaurant that only deals with fish. We ask for the same product, albeit done slightly differently.

 

Edit: In case you don't understand the changes I did, I will explain;

Both the new and older models have to be steak in this scenario because they will be played in Vanilla, so what changes is the visual aspect, therefore they must be part of the same product type, since gameplay does not change (experience doesn't change, you're still having steak). Therefore it still feels the same, you feel the same texture when you bite that steak, but it looks different, almost like it has better animations when you bite it. Huh...

 

TL;DR: Your analogy is awful, please stop trying to prevent other people from having their way, when it does not affect you in any way whatsoever.

Edited December 1, 2016 by Tholren

[Shayss 43]

It really isn't. If I were to agree with you on your analogy, it would be the same as saying Vanilla and Legion are the same game...

The fact that we are both here having this discussion on Elysium speaks for itself.

[Tholren 7]

It really isn't. If I were to agree with you on your analogy, it would be the same as saying Vanilla and Legion are the same game...

The fact that we are both here having this discussion on Elysium speaks for itself.

No, like I explained, Vanilla is what matters here. The steak you eat doesn't matter, as long as you're in the steakhouse. Playing vanilla with the new models provides the same gameplay experience as it does without them, it only changes the visual experience.

[Shayss 43]

Nice little edit in your previous post. It is perfectly explained. You are trying to find loopholes that don't exist.

 

You don't eat fish in a steakhouse and vive versa. It is that simple.

 

But like I said, "I know you are playin me", I just wanted to make the clarification so everyone can understand how silly it sounds to have non-vanilla features in a vanilla project.

 

again..

 

This topic is pointless.  IT_WILL_NEVER_HAPPEN.

[Tholren 7]

I explained why I edited my post.

 

Like I said, that analogy is awful and it does not make sense, but sure, disagree away, I don't much care for forum warriors. Nice inside knowledge you have on the future of the server, by the way.

[Shayss 43]

I explained why I edited my post.

 

Like I said, that analogy is awful and it does not make sense, but sure, disagree away, I don't much care for forum warriors. Nice inside knowledge you have on the future of the server, by the way.

 

Goes hand in hand with this:

 

https://forum.elysium-project.org/index.php?showtopic=22803

 

Don't worry, my "inside knowledge" is more like common knowledge here.

^^

 

Edit: I'll always be available to questions though, so ask away if you need some insight on something. Everything I know should be on the forums though.

Edited December 1, 2016 by Shayss

[Destron 2]

That was one of the worst analogies I've seen made. Steak vs Fish...Tholren thoroughly broke down your points as anyone would with a modicum of logical thinking would have, which you lack. 

 

Graphical models are not a slippery slope to free epics omgz. Your fears are unfounded and quite shallow in thought. It is obvious you feel quite attached to this community and feel any change from this view of pure vanilla experience is going to somehow ruin it for you.

Edited December 1, 2016 by Destron

[Shayss 43]

He didn't break down anything.

 

And yes I am, do you have a problem with that?

[murray 5]

That was one of the worst analogies I've seen made. Steak vs Fish...Tholren thoroughly broke down your points as anyone would with a modicum of logical thinking would have, which you lack. 

 

Graphical models are not a slippery slope to free epics omgz. Your fears are unfounded and quite shallow in thought. It is obvious you feel quite attached to this community and feel any change from this view of pure vanilla experience is going to somehow ruin it for you.

maybe he's trying to explain it is already confirmed that this project won't support any alteration in models and some people still want the administration to go out of their way on making new models viable, not really what theey are intending to do

[Pishy 0]

Next they think their armor piece or weapon does not look fancy enough so they will request transmog (bullshit what a crap pathetic stupid feature) with legion armor/ weapon models? Pfff

 

Please forum Mod, Pottu or anyone, close this stupid thread once and for all! Pleeeeeease.

 

Thank you.

 

Legion this way --->

[Patchi 4]

This topic has been beat to death on both Nost ant now here. If Kronos allows you to model edit, and it's something that you like, play on Kronos. This server has said, and will hold its stance on model editing at least for now, and I'd be willing to bet that they don't change that stance in the future.

[Tholren 7]

maybe he's trying to explain it is already confirmed that this project won't support any alteration in models and some people still want the administration to go out of their way on making new models viable, not really what theey are intending to do

As it stands it is not allowed. We're asking for that to be reconsidered. He can't predict what is or isn't going to happen, only the dev team can

 

Next they think their armor piece or weapon does not look fancy enough so they will request transmog (bullshit what a crap pathetic stupid feature) with legion armor/ weapon models? Pfff

 

Please forum Mod, Pottu or anyone, close this stupid thread once and for all! Pleeeeeease.

 

Thank you.

 

Legion this way --->

 

Oh lord, another troglodyte... 

Edited December 1, 2016 by Tholren

[Shayss 43]

Tholren,

 

I have a suggestion for you that will fit all the needs that your heart desires.

 

It's called World of Warcraft: Legion. There you will be able to race change / instant spec swap / faction change / trial test all classes / get instant epics / have pet battles and instant que on dungeon finder! Not only that your models will be SO awsome! Everything is new in Legion, you will love it there. Let's not forget, if you don't want to level, or if 2 shotting mobs is too much, you can just BUY you max level characters

 

This is peeeeerfect for you, what is holding you back from enjoying yourself with all of Legions amazing features?

 

Who cares about a stupid private server that runs Vanilla when you can have ALL of the above!

Edited December 1, 2016 by Shayss