Why fresh server should release at the same date

[gotmilk0112 10]

Nost has been down for like 9 months.

 

Another 2-3 weeks won't kill you.

 

 

I don't understand the war between fresh and old servers. If you got a lvl 60 you're attached to on the old servers, keep playing there. Otherwise, roll on fresh. There's no issue here.

The issue is entitled crybabies wanting their server NOW and demanding that it be released NOW, even though admins said from the very beginning that the fresh server would come after nost PvP relaunches.

 

But now that nost PvE is also launching with nost PvP, the fresh server players are flipping their фекал and claiming they were lied to and throwing entitled tantrums demanding that the fresh server be released sooner.

 

It's literally just entitled faggots whining that they're not getting what they want, when they want it.

Edited December 6, 2016 by gotmilk0112

[SikSan 4]

I don't understand the war between fresh and old servers. If you got a lvl 60 you're attached to on the old servers, keep playing there. Otherwise, roll on fresh. There's no issue here.

Peeps just wanna throw $hit (replacing swearing with russian words is dumbest idea I've ever seen) on the fan. It's internet after all. Yeah, internet is for porn, but shitstorms are the 2nd main priority.

Edited December 6, 2016 by SikSan

[Tholren 7]

The issue is entitled crybabies wanting their server NOW and demanding that it be released NOW, even though admins said from the very beginning that the fresh server would come after nost PvP relaunches.

 

But now that nost PvE is also launching with nost PvP, the fresh server players are flipping their фекал and claiming they were lied to and throwing entitled tantrums demanding that the fresh server be released sooner.

 

It's literally just entitled faggots whining that they're not getting what they want, when they want it.

 

Whilst I agree that a very vocal minority of people are indeed complaining without reason and throwing more tantrums than they should, it should be said that not everyone who is displeased with the release order is lacking in manners and decency. Some do feel cheated, not that I personally feel this way, because they understood that resources were put into the PvE server, originally listed to be last on the release order, instead of the fresh realm, thus many think they got the short end of the straw. The real point of this paragraph is that just because one would prefer the fresh realm first, it doesn't necessarily make them a "entitled faggot".

 

The problem, at least for me, lies with the fact that the development team never gave the community the choice, I find that it would make more sense to setup a vote, and base the release order off of the result. This was not what the team decided, which in all fairness, is within their rights, for it is their project. I disagree, however, but such is the state of things.

Edited December 6, 2016 by Tholren

[Pishy 0]

How about running your own goddamn fresh server, Mr. Professional xD. Can't wait for the fresh server to launch because then we will get rid off all the people like you finally! You will be like cancer, like an infection on the old servers, bah.

[Kargan 0]

Hello everyone!

It's my understanding many people in the community is pretty sure the old server Nost PvP will live on and have a lot of active players. Many here even doubt the straw polls and actually say that those who will roll on the fresh server is in the minority. Personally I doubt this and just believe they are afraid of the truth that the fresh server will be the biggest one.

So why flood the old server on dec 17th with massive lag and players that will never actually play on the old server? Why not release the new server at the same so the population evens out and everyone can enjoy a smoother release?

Jambi youre sheet at the game stop talking

[Banezilla 2]

I'll be playing on the old and new PvP servers as soon as they're released. Why wouldn't I play on the old PvP server when I have no other options? How far will the population drop on the old PvP server when the fresh server is released?

[Jimmy 2]

I'll be playing on the old and new PvP servers as soon as they're released. Why wouldn't I play on the old PvP server when I have no other options? How far will the population drop on the old PvP server when the fresh server is released?

 

If I had to guess it will drop far less than "Team Fresh Server" would have you believe. It'll definitely take a hit, but the server will also be bloated by all the people who can't wait for the fresh server. I bet a lot of people who roll on Nost PvP will decide to stay instead of rerolling on the fresh server.

[gotmilk0112 10]

Some do feel cheated

Admins said from the beginning that the fresh server would release later on.

 

PvE server releasing earlier does not change this in any way.

 

/shrug

 

 

The problem, at least for me, lies with the fact that the development team never gave the community the choice, I find that it would make more sense to setup a vote, and base the release order off of the result. This was not what the team decided, which in all fairness, is within their rights, for it is their project. I disagree, however, but such is the state of things.

The entire point of this project was to revive the Nost servers.

 

The new fresh server is just a bonus.

Edited December 6, 2016 by gotmilk0112

[Tholren 7]

Admins said from the beginning that the fresh server would release later on.

 

PvE server releasing earlier does not change this in any way.

 

/shrug

 

Like I said, I do not feel that way myself. I was merely stating the facts.

[Faith 5]

Freshy fresh!! :)

[Jimmy 2]

The entire point of this project was to revive the Nost servers.

 

The new fresh server is just a bonus.

 

+1 to this. Nostalrius was (is) the flagship of legacy, the server that most embodied the spirit of Blizz-like and being faithful to vanilla. The whole point of the Elysium Project is to revive Nostalrius and carry on the legacy (pun intended). Nostalrius PvP/PvE coming back is far more important on a meta level than a fresh server. Nost servers coming back is a statement to Blizzard. There are a ton of fresh servers popping up, but Nost is the soul of the legacy movement. Do you think IGN and PCG would be covering the story if it was just a fresh server? Absolutely not, this is about, and always has been about, restoring Nostalrius, and in turn, restoring legacy.

[Uncle Ganus of Clan McAnus 0]

Nostalrius was (is) the flagship of legacy, the server that most embodied the spirit of Blizz-like and being faithful to vanilla. The whole point of the Elysium Project is to revive Nostalrius and carry on the legacy (pun intended). Nostalrius PvP/PvE coming back is far more important on a meta level than a fresh server. Nost servers coming back is a statement to Blizzard. There are a ton of fresh servers popping up, but Nost is the soul of the legacy movement. Do you think IGN and PCG would be covering the story if it was just a fresh server? Absolutely not, this is about, and always has been about, restoring Nostalrius, and in turn, restoring legacy.

 

By the broken will of Akama, I say !!! Your avatar might seem a bit imbecilic but your words reflect nothing but high intellect & spirit !!!

[Faith 5]

+1 to this. Nostalrius was (is) the flagship of legacy, the server that most embodied the spirit of Blizz-like and being faithful to vanilla. The whole point of the Elysium Project is to revive Nostalrius and carry on the legacy (pun intended). Nostalrius PvP/PvE coming back is far more important on a meta level than a fresh server. Nost servers coming back is a statement to Blizzard. There are a ton of fresh servers popping up, but Nost is the soul of the legacy movement. Do you think IGN and PCG would be covering the story if it was just a fresh server? Absolutely not, this is about, and always has been about, restoring Nostalrius, and in turn, restoring legacy.

 

I disagree with this partially. All Elysium needed was the name (NOSTALRIUS), and the server code, and of course the permission to use it. With that a re-launch (rebirth / whatever you want to call it) and a proper campaign getting the hype train rolling with "Nostalrius Returns" would have had the same effect. So yes, having servers called Nostalrius PvP and Nostalrius PvE was important, but keeping the accounts of the players.... nah.. you could have wiped them all.

 

Which, still, IMO, would have been the better option.

 

Then you wouldn't have all these people worrying about pop balance. You create 2 PvP servers and 1 PvP starting fresh with no accounts. The populations would probably turn out pretty balanced. Everyone would be starting off from square 1 (except croctchBitten *giggles again*).

 

The only reason Elysium is waiting to launch the fresh server is they are afraid of too many people jumping ship. It's that simple.

 

~ Faith ~

Edited December 6, 2016 by Faith

[Glenzig 34]

The problem, at least for me, lies with the fact that the development team never gave the community the choice, I find that it would make more sense to setup a vote, and base the release order off of the result. This was not what the team decided, which in all fairness, is within their rights, for it is their project. I disagree, however, but such is the state of things.

Why would they let the community decide something like this? This isn't something trivial, it's the relaunching of their servers. We aren't doing any of the work. They are. We don't know the extent of the effort needed, nor the logistics involved in each servers launch. They do.

Not something you can put up to a vote.

[Haestingas 30]

You fresh idiots know that the main reason nost gave their code to Elysium was to relaunch their character database, not for a fresh server? How about you be happy that you even get a fresh server?

You guys are absolutely cancer to even read, if anything you should be stoked that the old server is going first so they can learn from that and in turn make the fresh server launch better.

[Tholren 7]

Why would they let the community decide something like this? This isn't something trivial, it's the relaunching of their servers. We aren't doing any of the work. They are. We don't know the extent of the effort needed, nor the logistics involved in each servers launch. They do.

Not something you can put up to a vote.

 

I simply believe the option that would please the most people would be the best one, a vote could reach the most accurate representation of that very option. And yes, you are right, it is their work and effort and they are free to make any decisions as they see fit, but I have also stated this.

[Jimmy 2]

I disagree with this partially. All Elysium needed was the name (NOSTALRIUS), and the server code, and of course the permission to use it. With that a re-launch (rebirth / whatever you want to call it) and a proper campaign getting the hype train rolling with "Nostalrius Returns" would have had the same effect. So yes, having servers called Nostalrius PvP and Nostalrius PvE was important, but keeping the accounts of the players.... nah.. you could have wiped them all.

 

Which, still, IMO, would have been the better option.

 

Then you wouldn't have all these people worrying about pop balance. You create 2 PvP servers and 1 PvP starting fresh with no accounts. The populations would probably turn out pretty balanced. Everyone would be starting off from square 1 (except croctchBitten *giggles again*).

 

The only reason Elysium is waiting to launch the fresh server is they are afraid of too many people jumping ship. It's that simple.

 

~ Faith ~

 

We can agree to disagree. I know for a fact my guild and I wouldn't be returning if our toons weren't there, we have no desire to start at level 1.

[Faith 5]

We can agree to disagree. I know for a fact my guild and I wouldn't be returning if our toons weren't there, we have no desire to start at level 1.

That's cool. I just meant that returning all the players accounts wasn't a necessity. I'm sure they would have lost some players but not that many. At least I think. Ya never know

 

However, the hype train would still have been real as there are so many players out there that want ONE.. just 1 community. One place they can go to, to play Vanilla WoW. Which is why I think we all can agree that if Blizzard started quality legacy Vanilla servers we'd all go there immediately. We want one place where all of us who love Vanilla WoW can play. Nostalrius is the next best option. No one wants to see the Vanilla player base get scattered amongst a dozen free Private Vanilla Servers.

 

~ Faith ~

[Glenzig 34]

I simply believe the option that would please the most people would be the best one, a vote could reach the most accurate representation of that very option. And yes, you are right, it is their work and effort and they are free to make any decisions as they see fit, but I have also stated this.

They didn't give the option because it's not our decision. Do you comprehend that? It's their work. They put in the hours making the project successful. We have the privilege of benefiting from that work. That does not give us the right to tell them when and how they should opperate.

[Tholren 7]

They didn't give the option because it's not our decision. Do you comprehend that? It's their work. They put in the hours making the project successful. We have the privilege of benefiting from that work. That does not give us the right to tell them when and how they should opperate.

 

I will state this once more, I am in agreement with you and believe they hold all the rights and decision making power regarding this project and I respect all of their decisions. And now I will also state the following, again: In my humble opinion they could have let this decision up to the community, for it is a project being made for this community, with a mission to provide a Vanilla experience, freely.

Edited December 6, 2016 by Tholren

[taladril 43]

I'll just write my side of it too to add another voice. I am only coming back because my character is coming back. Unless blizz themselves come out with legacy I will never roll another toon on any server anywhere again. This is my last one and I'm pouring everything I can into it. I don't have time to restart any time the mood strikes or the new flavor of the month server comes out. 

[sojs123 0]

I disagree with this partially. All Elysium needed was the name (NOSTALRIUS), and the server code, and of course the permission to use it. With that a re-launch (rebirth / whatever you want to call it) and a proper campaign getting the hype train rolling with "Nostalrius Returns" would have had the same effect. So yes, having servers called Nostalrius PvP and Nostalrius PvE was important, but keeping the accounts of the players.... nah.. you could have wiped them all.

 

Which, still, IMO, would have been the better option.

 

Then you wouldn't have all these people worrying about pop balance. You create 2 PvP servers and 1 PvP starting fresh with no accounts. The populations would probably turn out pretty balanced. Everyone would be starting off from square 1 (except croctchBitten *giggles again*).

 

The only reason Elysium is waiting to launch the fresh server is they are afraid of too many people jumping ship. It's that simple.

 

~ Faith ~

but keeping the accounts of the players.... nah.. you could have wiped them all.

 

The only reason those sites are reporting on it is because you get the old characters back, notice how every single article includes the info that  you get your characters back.

 

I don't know why you new comers are so anti old server but it's lame to spread misinformation.

 

from my personal experience with my guild mates I don't think more than 5 or 10 out of 60 would've rerolled here without getting their characters back. Leveling in vanilla is not fun it's a task that gets old after a few times, the same goes for farming MC and BWL. People are coming back because it's starting from where it left off.

[Faith 5]

but keeping the accounts of the players.... nah.. you could have wiped them all.

 

The only reason those sites are reporting on it is because you get the old characters back, notice how every single article includes the info that  you get your characters back.

 

I don't know why you new comers are so anti old server but it's lame to spread misinformation.

 

from my personal experience with my guild mates I don't think more than 5 or 10 out of 60 would've rerolled here without getting their characters back. Leveling in vanilla is not fun it's a task that gets old after a few times, the same goes for farming MC and BWL. People are coming back because it's starting from where it left off.

They mention you get your characters back because that is simply information they have to report upon. If you didn't get them back that little blurb or line wouldn't be there. However, the article would remain.

 

THE TARGET REMAINS! IT REMAINS!!

 

You can say you won't come back sure but what about after a month or 2 goes by.. you don't think you'll feel the itch to play Vanilla. I think you would just as you are doing right now.

 

~ Faith ~

Edited December 6, 2016 by Faith

[gotmilk0112 10]

from my personal experience with my guild mates I don't think more than 5 or 10 out of 60 would've rerolled here without getting their characters back. Leveling in vanilla is not fun it's a task that gets old after a few times, the same goes for farming MC and BWL. People are coming back because it's starting from where it left off.

Even if the entire server was fresh, I still would have played here because of the promise of high population. Plus, Nost's scripting is pretty good.

 

I would like to believe that most Vanilla players are not afraid of having to level 1-60 again.

Edited December 6, 2016 by gotmilk0112

[sojs123 0]

Even if the entire server was fresh, I still would have played here because of the promise of high population. Plus, Nost's scripting is pretty good.

 

I would like to believe that most Vanilla players are not afraid of having to level 1-60 again.

maybe im just a weird individual but to me vanilla is only fun to me because I had never raided it on retail and had never been good enough at the game to enjoy pvp / industrial farming etc

 

now I've done it I have no intention of doing MC / BWL farming again where every boss has a single mechanic,

 

vanilla pvp feels like unbalanced twink pvp balanced around who has more engineering gadgets and cheese items,

 

raiding is 1 button spamming and whoever has more consums / pots / gets lucky rng top the meter.

 

 

 

Don't get me wrong, I think Vanilla is still fun but you have to look at it for what it is which is a massive time sink

 

would I really want to invest 100+ days /played to get to same point again, probably not.

 

It's weird because I enjoy ladder resets in games like diablo2 / poe but something about starting fresh when there is no end goal in sight bugs me. This being said I would gladly roll on a vanilla server that offered all content and reset to zero every 3-4 months so it would feel like a race type thing.

 

im just rambling now and im not even sure if my post will make sense

 

 

TLDR: I dont want to spend another 1 year farming boring brainless mechanic bosses to get to what id like to do, the stuff I haven't seen, maybe I would make a new character once AQ / naxx were on the horizon if nost was totally fresh but there's no way in hell id play a complete fresh start from the get go

Edited December 6, 2016 by sojs123