Is it too late to start on the old PvP Server?

[Edwin Van Queef 0]

Hi, I'm a little concerned that its too late to start on the PvP server? I'm aware a lot more content has released there and by the time myself and other people reach 60 i'm sure more would have released, Is that the case? or do people still run the old content? or is it just left behind? This was one of the perks of the fresh realm but since that's not getting released until what some people predict will be early-mid January that's along time to wait, I'm sure many people feel like they don't want to invest to much into the old servers when there's a fresh one coming soon.

 

PS: Im aware the PvE server is behind in content compared but PvP runs through my veins. 

 

Cheers!
 

[ValarMorghulis 2]

I'm pretty much on the same page, friend. While being a PvPer at heart, I would really like to experience some oldschool raiding and progression. I personally feel like the original PvP Nost is already too far in terms of progression to catch up, which makes a PvE one a viable alternative but then... can we really expect any PvP action in there? Not entirely sure about that. For now I'm definitely more inclined to roll on the PvE one and hope there will be some PvPers joining it too. Maybe even some PvP oriented guilds, that would be a dream!  

See you in the field of honor! 

[Smoerre 0]

When i played Nost i only reached lvl 44 until it got closed.

There were a SHITTON of people still leveling/freshly dinged 60.

Lvling in Tanaris or STV, both gank fests, you felt like this server was 1 month old.

I don't believe that you have problems catching up at all,

even more so because Nost Pvp launches first.

There will be a huge wave of fresh 1's that can't wait for fresh release,

and won't bother to reroll when they grinded 24/7 for weeks and fresh releases.

[Emptora 17]

By no means too late. People rolled new characters on the server even on the day the server closed. There is always plenty to do, and plenty of people leveling. I made alt characters and always had people to dungeon and quest with. Most guilds ran alt runs on off-nights and this is a perfect way to get geared and get your foot in the door for a great guild.

 

Worst case, just roll a character and play while you wait on the fresh realm. If you play a couple weeks and find its too far for you, wait for the Fresh Realm. Either way, what have you got to lose. Worst case is you have an idea of how to level your character when the Fresh Realm drops.

 

Best of luck.

[murray 5]

whatever you do, don't roll on pve if you are pvper at heart trust me

[Mealticket 0]

Based on one of the previous admins, forgot his name but he's vocal on YouTube, AQ was still a few months away from Nost quality when it was shut down. Now with resources being divided, not saying it's a negative, it may be a bit longer. Just be 60 when the gates open cause it promises to be epic.

[Draegon 1]

Hi, I'm a little concerned that its too late to start on the PvP server? I'm aware a lot more content has released there and by the time myself and other people reach 60 i'm sure more would have released, Is that the case? or do people still run the old content? or is it just left behind? This was one of the perks of the fresh realm but since that's not getting released until what some people predict will be early-mid January that's along time to wait, I'm sure many people feel like they don't want to invest to much into the old servers when there's a fresh one coming soon.

 

PS: Im aware the PvE server is behind in content compared but PvP runs through my veins. 

 

Cheers!

 

 

Guilds still run the old content. new guilds will form and current guilds will always have fall-off. New players can always find a guild to raid. PvP wise it will be a bit tough at 60 till you gear up after a few weeks and can start throwing your weight around.

[Tholren 7]

It's definitely not too late. It will be far easier to be on par with everyone else if you play on the fresh realm, however.

[OrcWarrior 1]

It's definitely not too late. It will be far easier to be on par with everyone else if you play on the fresh realm, however.

 

False.

 

I started on Nostalrius at the beginning of February 2016. Playing a warrior it took me about 10 days /played to get to 60. I joined a raiding guild on lvl 10 as a social and by mid march I was accepted as a raider after getting my fury preraid BiS by tanking dungeons after reaching 60. By server shutdown I was not many pieces away from BiS, excluding the PvP items. 

[Tholren 7]

False.

 

I started on Nostalrius at the beginning of February 2016. Playing a warrior it took me about 10 days /played to get to 60. I joined a raiding guild on lvl 10 as a social and by mid march I was accepted as a raider after getting my fury preraid BiS by tanking dungeons after reaching 60. By server shutdown I was not many pieces away from BiS, excluding the PvP items. 

 

Perhaps you were an exception? Generally, it takes longer for people to "catch up". Besides, if you want to get technical about it, he will be on par with everyone else the second he logs in. My argument stands.

[OrcWarrior 1]

Perhaps you were an exception? Generally, it takes longer for people to "catch up". Besides, if you want to get technical about it, he will be on par with everyone else the second he logs in. My argument stands.

 

How is it easier to be on par with everyone else v. grouping with people who don't need every single piece of gear you also need?

 

[Mealticket 0]

Perhaps you were an exception? Generally, it takes longer for people to "catch up". Besides, if you want to get technical about it, he will be on par with everyone else the second he logs in. My argument stands.

Vanilla items are spread out for fury. A few from ZG, some MC, some 5 man and crafted.

That being said, it's the same for all dps classes. Tanks can be carried to catch up with tier 2 content. My guild was progressing through BWL at the time of shut down. Running MC weekly for the odd pieces that never dropped (mostly weapons), ZG nearly on CD... In that environment, if you have time to play, you'll catch up quickly.

Also, if you're the only 1 who needs it vs all 6 of your class need it simultaneously.

Edited December 7, 2016 by Mealticket

[gotmilk0112 10]

It's never "too late" to start on a server, unless you're trying to push for server-first raid clears. Which is a pretty silly thing to do in a 12 year old game.

[Tholren 7]

How is it easier to be on par with everyone else v. grouping with people who don't need every single piece of gear you also need?

 

I believe you're mistaking my argument of "it will be easier to be on par with everyone else by rolling on fresh" for "it will be easier to gear up". If your wish is to be at the same playing field as everyone else, then fresh is the way to go, if you play on the other servers, you'll be playing catch up. Naturally, you can get help and gear quickly, but that was not what I was talking about in the first place.

[Mealticket 0]

I believe you're mistaking my argument of "it will be easier to be on par with everyone else by rolling on fresh" for "it will be easier to gear up". If your wish is to be at the same playing field as everyone else, then fresh is the way to go, if you play on the other servers, you'll be playing catch up. Naturally, you can get help and gear quickly, but that was not what I was talking about in the first place.

But that's what being on par is... End game is about the collection of new items to power up your abilities. If you want to be in the center of the leveling bell curve, sure that's on par too... But you can easily get to the center of the end game bell curve which is mix T1/T2 and even get to the edge of that curve by getting full T2 equiv before AQ drops.

[OrcWarrior 1]

I believe you're mistaking my argument of "it will be easier to be on par with everyone else by rolling on fresh" for "it will be easier to gear up". If your wish is to be at the same playing field as everyone else, then fresh is the way to go, if you play on the other servers, you'll be playing catch up. Naturally, you can get help and gear quickly, but that was not what I was talking about in the first place.

OP is asking about being able to run dungeons, MC and ZG since he seems to believe that these are somehow obsolete on the old PvP realm. You said it would be far easier on the fresh. I countered with my own experience, joining the old PvP realm two months before shutdown and having no problem whatsoever gearing up and finding groups. 

[Kazuma 11]

Why worry, just play lol. If you are dedicated and skilled you can be part of all server first troughout AQ and Naxx..

[Tholren 7]

But that's what being on par is... End game is about the collection of new items to power up your abilities. If you want to be in the center of the leveling bell curve, sure that's on par too... But you can easily get to the center of the end game bell curve which is mix T1/T2 and even get to the edge of that curve by getting full T2 equiv before AQ drops.

 

I might be mistaken, but I'm using the expression "being on par with..." as a synonym for being at the same playing field as others, in broad terms. And whilst assistance from other players is indeed quite useful, the cheer amount of hours required to reach 60 (averaged at 250, I believe), is minus 250 hours of progress you have no done on your character compared to others, who might have triple that played time already invested. We must also consider other things than gear. Your social stance with others, your acquaintances, contacts, missed opportunities (Talisman of Binding Shard ), economical situation, whether or not you were able to take advantage of being ahead in your profession when you first reached 60 in order to turn in an early profit. Many other variables are present on what qualifies as being on par with others.

OP is asking about being able to run dungeons, MC and ZG since he seems to believe that these are somehow obsolete on the old PvP realm. You said it would be far easier on the fresh. I countered with my own experience, joining the old PvP realm two months before shutdown and having no problem whatsoever gearing up and finding groups. 

 

Ah yes, you seem to be correct. I have indeed deviated from the original topic. Well spotted. I spoke in boarder terms than what was asked.

[Jimmy 2]

Hi, I'm a little concerned that its too late to start on the PvP server? I'm aware a lot more content has released there and by the time myself and other people reach 60 i'm sure more would have released, Is that the case? or do people still run the old content? or is it just left behind? This was one of the perks of the fresh realm but since that's not getting released until what some people predict will be early-mid January that's along time to wait, I'm sure many people feel like they don't want to invest to much into the old servers when there's a fresh one coming soon.

 

PS: Im aware the PvE server is behind in content compared but PvP runs through my veins. 

 

Cheers!

 

 

Absolutely not, there will be a whole wave of new players starting on the Nost PvP server. If you're willing to put in the work to gear up you'll 100% find a spot in a raiding guild.

[OrcWarrior 1]

I might be mistaken, but I'm using the expression "being on par with..." as a synonym for being at the same playing field as others, in broad terms. And whilst assistance from other players is indeed quite useful, the cheer amount of hours required to reach 60 (averaged at 250, I believe), is minus 250 hours of progress you have no done on your character compared to others, who might have triple that played time already invested. We must also consider other things than gear. Your social stance with others, your acquaintances, contacts, missed opportunities (Talisman of Binding Shard ), economical situation, whether or not you were able to take advantage of being ahead in your profession when you first reached 60 in order to turn in an early profit. Many other variables are present on what qualifies as being on par with others.

 

Ah yes, you seem to be correct. I have indeed deviated from the original topic. Well spotted. I spoke in boarder terms than what was asked.

 EDIT: Saw that you already replied to this in your earlier comment. 

Edited December 7, 2016 by OrcWarrior

[Mealticket 0]

By that definition, by week 3, no one is on par. No-lifers will be max level and reaping the rewards of having no other obligations, people with shorter lists than average will be next and those with low amounts of free time will be way behind.

On a server with the population we are referring to, that's thousands of No-lifers followed by thousands of low obligation. The only people who can even be concerned with that definition are the No-lifers themselves, so it's a useless standard.

I like having a lot of content to play when I hit 60. You can always find a newly forming guild and power through. Getting ahead of the economy isn't even really a thing. It's a 2-3 day perk at best.

Just realized that in some of your examples, "on par with" is being used to express an advantage or opportunity toward advantage... On par is equal to or being roughly average by comparison.

Edited December 7, 2016 by Mealticket

[Tholren 7]

By that definition, by week 3, no one is on par. No-lifers will be max level and reaping the rewards of having no other obligations, people with shorter lists than average will be next and those with low amounts of free time will be way behind.

On a server with the population we are referring to, that's thousands of No-lifers followed by thousands of low obligation. The only people who can even be concerned with that definition are the No-lifers themselves, so it's a useless standard.

I like having a lot of content to play when I hit 60. You can always find a newly forming guild and power through. Getting ahead of the economy isn't even really a thing. It's a 2-3 day perk at best.

 

But this hypothetical you will still have the chance to be on par with them, no? It will depend solely on you, since they have started at the same time as you did, if they are indeed much more advanced, then they played a lot more, within the same time frame. How people crate a gap between themselves is of no matter to my argument, for I simply stated that it is easier to be on par with people who start at the same time as you do. Whether or not you accomplish it, that is a different matter altogether.

[Mealticket 0]

Then your argument is solely based on the amount of time any given individual has to dedicate compared to the mean. It's not objectively easier as this depends on your personal situation. If you want to catch up on Nost, it's pretty easy even for the casuals. If you have no obligations, you can be leader of the pack on fresh start.

So, whether or not it's a better idea to roll Elysium or Nost is whether or not this player has endless time to use on the game. Cause if he has fairly average amounts of free time, it will be roughly equal with more content to play on Nost.

[Tholren 7]

Not entirely, but I can understand how you understood it that way. Let me try to clarify a bit more. I state that it is easier to be on par with others if you start at the same time as others do, since the same amount of work is laid out before the both of you rather than starting at a point in time in which others have already done much, whilst you have accomplished nothing since you have just begun. I believe this to be logical. Unfortunately for me, the OP asked a more specific question than the one I gave answer to.

 

I do believe that even the more casuals players will benefit from rolling on fresh rather than on Nost, but this may or not be a bias I have towards the realm I'll play on

[Jimmy 2]

Not entirely, but I can understand how you understood it that way. Let me try to clarify a bit more. I state that it is easier to be on par with others if you start at the same time as others do, since the same amount of work is laid out before the both of you rather than starting at a point in time in which others have already done much, whilst you have accomplished nothing since you have just begun. I believe this to be logical. Unfortunately for me, the OP asked a more specific question than the one I gave answer to.

 

I do believe that even the more casuals players will benefit from rolling on fresh rather than on Nost, but this may or not be a bias I have towards the realm I'll play on

 

I honestly think casuals would do fine on any of the servers. With the Nost servers being first there will be a huge number of new players there who won't jump to the fresh server after leveling up a bit and there will be plenty of people for content 1-60. Ganking may be tough on Nost PvP, but it builds character. It would be interesting to compare the 2 economies, though, more supply on Nost, but higher inflation I'd imagine.

Edited December 7, 2016 by Falorthan