Will Blizzard be Forced to React?

[Papajimboh 12]

I honestly don't care if they make Legacy servers at this point. We waited long enough for an answer. 

 

BUT...

 

With coverage from BBC, PC Gamer, and other sources now, it's going to be harder for them to ignore. Previously it was just customers. You know, those things they don't give a second thought most of the time? But now, there is attention on them that could end up affecting their bottom line. 

 

Do you guys think they'll be flushed out of their hole soon and forced to make a statement? And if so, what do you think it will be?

 

Will they cave and do full on legacy? Will they continue with the terrible pristine server idea? Say they changed their minds and want to focus on "making the current game great?" If they're unable to do anything to Elysium, I feel they've already lost a huge portion of the potential legacy player base, but sort of curious to see if they make any announcements now. 

 

 

[spoofyman 0]

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I believe if it is getting so much coverage we may need a 2nd fresh server to launch with the first

[arbet 9]

No, they will ignore it like they always do. They will not acknowledge Elysium. They will be silent and wait for everything to die down, which it will. Give it 2 weeks after launch you will not see a single article about Elysium in any kind of mainstream press.

[Faith 5]

reply from blizzard is right here --> https://forum.elysium-project.org/index.php?showtopic=24065

 

[Papajimboh 12]

reply from blizzard is right here --> https://forum.elysium-project.org/index.php?showtopic=24065

 

 

 

[Vryyce 0]

No, they will ignore it like they always do. They will not acknowledge Elysium. They will be silent and wait for everything to die down, which it will. Give it 2 weeks after launch you will not see a single article about Elysium in any kind of mainstream press.

 

This. If there was any respectable amount of money to be made by Blizzard hosting a classic server, they would. They have made mistakes over the years and lost the edge they once had as a must purchase game developer, but they have not gone full on retard. They have the metrics, they know how much it would cost to implement and have a solid estimate of the return. That they are not interested says everything you need to know. We, the vanilla lovers, are a niche. That is perfectly fine, the world needs niches and those that enjoy them, it makes the world a richer and more diverse experience. The sooner we accept this and stop with the fallacy that we are in some way a massive majority, the sooner we will enjoy this for what it is and just have fun on our own terms.

[Glenzig 34]

Forced to react? Nah, don't think so. If they were actually going to do anything I'm sure they would have already tried given the fact that there is actually some mainstream coverage.

Will they send another cease and desist letter? Most likely. But I'm sure they'll send it back after they use it to wipe themselves this time.

[Papajimboh 12]

The sooner we accept this and stop with the fallacy that we are in some way a massive majority, the sooner we will enjoy this for what it is and just have fun on our own terms.

 

 

Most areas of the game don't cover the massive majority. Hardcore Mythic raiders aren't a massive majority by any means. Nor are highly competitive PvPers, or people who spend more time pet battling than anything else.

Like I said, I don't care at this point if Blizzard makes them or not, but the main point is that the work is done for them. For years their excuse was "well we just don't have the code. It was all lost" blah blah blah. Nost people are like "Oh look what we have." So that excuse is out the window.

I'll admit it, part of the reason I want a statement from them is to possibly hear them admit they were wrong. I know, I know. Long shot, but there's a chance. So often the players are blamed, or they make excuses. Just hoping some day the company's balls drop and they take some responsibility. 

[Vryyce 0]

They are not wrong. Do you really think Blizzard would launch the game in the state this version of the code is in? All of us that played Nost know exactly how many bugs we will be dealing with on the 17th. If Blizz launched this exact same code they would get flamed to high hell on the forums for so many bugs. So the reality is they would have to devote resources to cleaning everything up. Hence what I said earlier, they know the costs and have a good idea at the expected return. They are not making a move to do it so...

 

I love Vanilla, always have. I will be here on Day 1 and will play for the foreseeable future. So I am definitely a fan of what is happening here. I just find the notion that Blizz is walking away from a fortune mildly humorous at best and a bit silly on the whole. They have bills to pay and kids to send to college, free money is something that easily fits into anyone's business plan.

[Papajimboh 12]

They are not wrong. 

 

There's a huge difference between not having code and debugging code that's 99.9% effective. That's like the difference in not being able to drive because you don't have a car and not being able to drive because you have a flat. 

[Danko 1]

Don't worry about blizzard, if warmane can stay up then so can elysium.

[Vryyce 0]

There's a huge difference between not having code and debugging code that's 99.9% effective. That's like the difference in not being able to drive because you don't have a car and not being able to drive because you have a flat. 

 

And yet they won't do it. The reasonable conclusion is it isn't worth the expected return to clean it up and implement everything else required. The notion that they are simply being stubborn and passing up good money out of spite just doesn't pass the sniff test.

 

BTW, thank you for the civil discourse! This isn't always the case on some forums so I really do appreciate it.

 

I also agree with Danko. I think Blizz went after Nost to get a defense of their IP on the record in the event future legal action was necessary. I don't think it will in this case so I think we will be just fine.

[Zealotz 0]

And yet they won't do it. The reasonable conclusion is it isn't worth the expected return to clean it up and implement everything else required. The notion that they are simply being stubborn and passing up good money out of spite just doesn't pass the sniff test.

 

BTW, thank you for the civil discourse! This isn't always the case on some forums so I really do appreciate it.

 

I also agree with Danko. I think Blizz went after Nost to get a defense of their IP on the record in the event future legal action was necessary. I don't think it will in this case so I think we will be just fine.

It's maybe not all about the money, they maybe acknowledge the value of our niche crowd. Misleading internal testing has become a staple amongst the WoW team, imagine if they fear the possibility of legacy servers becoming more popular than retail WoW ? They wouldn't want to put their devs to shame and ruin their careers.

Edited December 9, 2016 by Zealotz

[Papajimboh 12]

BTW, thank you for the civil discourse! This isn't always the case on some forums so I really do appreciate it.

 

 

Ah, and I was one post away from calling you a doody head!  

And as much as I would like to see them choke on their words, I'd love more to see something positive for once, and I hate that I have agree with you. I really don't have any faith in them, but a man can try to hang onto hope! By the toenails perhaps... 

[Storfan 24]

They probably wont do фекал. Blizzard got nothing to gain on commenting unless it's themselves anouncing official legacy-realms.

[Lootolf 0]

They probably wont do фекал. Blizzard got nothing to gain on commenting unless it's themselves anouncing official legacy-realms.

 

Which probably would not make a lot of money ... therefore apart from letters nothing will happen.

[Venson 0]

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I believe if it is getting so much coverage we may need a 2nd fresh server to launch with the first

rofl this meme

Edited December 9, 2016 by Venson

[Storfan 24]

Which probably would not make a lot of money ... therefore apart from letters nothing will happen.

 

I actually think it would. MANY old players are willing to return to WoW and pay for it if they do legacy realms (including myself). I think it's more of a pride-thing. If they open legacy-realms, it's like admitting there's "something wrong" with current retail, and their ego cant handle that.

[Vryyce 0]

Yeah but shareholders want to cash checks, not ego boosts. It simply doesn't stand to reason that if serious money was to be had they would ignore it out of spite. How do you get the guys and gals wearing green eye shades to buy off on that fiscal reality? Sure, the dev group are human and have egos but if the guys paying the bills smell profit, those egos get shoved aside. Nothing assuages bruised egos like solid revenue streams and bonus checks.

 

Those of us driving these Vanilla servers really are the very vocal minority. We know what we want and are not ashamed to yell for it. Even on the retail forums, those posters are also in the very vocal minority. The larger portion of the player-base never even bothers to go there. It is an extremely simple matter for Blizzard to compare unique active account numbers to the number of active accounts on their forums. The metrics are there and easy to use. They have a long enough running set of data to make accurate forecasts. So the safe bet is your MANY does not add up enough to cover all the expenses over a forecasted period of time. I honestly believe this is all a simple case of math where we end up on the small side of the equation. We just aren't happy to be there though and that is what drives the forums.

[Drain 19]

It's just in the news again because it's... news. (Imagine that?) News is all about clickbaiting off whatever hot topic they can find every week. It's exactly what happened before, and a month later, Nost was forgotten about. Most channels who even claimed to support us, went on to play Legion, and didn't bother to even buy a Nost tshirt for Blizzcon. A month from now, we'll be forgotten about again. They're just clickbait. They want views and clicks, and will throw up anything to get it. But you can see how few really care because most channels which covered the Nost shutdown, never played on it, and actually played retail, or bought Legion. You'll see it again after this opens up, and most of the channels which claim to support our cause, will never play on it. If they do not play on it, or donate it to it, then they are nothing but a weekly clickbait for views.

 

My point is not as many people care about private servers as you can easily be led to believe, and Blizzard knows this. It's why they're continuing not to care about older versions of the game.