Why delay the fresh if we are enough players?

[Dralek 5]

Okay, I phrased it badly. Point still stands that if it weren't for the hype of the database returning, the freshers would not be here yelling about the need for a fresh server to in their words "preserve the community".

 

The hype is because a popular server that used to have a huge population, is returning. Everyone likes to play on servers with high population numbers, specially in vanilla were a high population is needed.

 

Whether the old characters are gone or not isn't important to a lot of people.

Edited December 13, 2016 by Dralek

[Master Cripe 0]

I really want them to release the new servers, but not before the holidays. I can imagine the staff would like to spend time with family, as would I. If I were to guess I would say a week or two after new years would be great. 7th or 14th of January. Waiting also buys enough time for people to start new on the Nost servers, that may not want to re-roll a month later, which will help with population health.

[OrcWarrior 1]

1) People like to experience every stage of the game. Not everyone just gets gear and jumps into the latest raid.

 

2)Some people like fresh realm because it gives more opportuinities:

 

- To make gold: getting an early recipe, or craft can make you rich. Imagine the first few guys that get the +healing in weapon enchantment? or hide of the wild? In an established server with lots of products, prices are lower.

- Raid competition: some like to achieve world firsts, fresh server provides that opportunity.

- PvP: gear balance is great for grinding pvp; starting on a server were people outgear your blues with their tier 2 epics, isn't fun.

 

3) Some people just bet on the server they think will have the best opportunities of survival.

 

1) Is a fair point

 

2) Gold: Some of that is RNG-based meaning you might win the roll for titan recipe on old nost and be 2000g richer. Considering people will have less gold on the fresh server you won't be able to demand old nost prices. Anyways, if you are any good at the gold making game, the established economy on the old server would not be a problem.

 

 

Not be ganked by retarded 60s, make low lvl dungeons, outdoor pvp with people of same lvl range, not be rushed in PVE by geared people, make fair PVP, first server kills, there are millions of things that you cant enjoy in a old server, maybe it sounds crazy for you but there are 10k players who want fresh start, maybe more --> http://www.strawpoll.me/11589399/r

 

You can put that strawpoll where the sun doesn't shine.

 

With 1.12 talents MC and Onyxia will be rushed. PvP has never been nor will it ever be fair. Low lvl dungeons were alive and kicking. Outdoor PvP with similar lvls aswell. You will be ganked by higher lvls on the fresh aswell. 

 

Raid: Yeah, the game is 12 years old, world first are a distant memory. MC is easy with blue gear and BWL is the highest raid on old server. Straight out invalid. 

 

PvP: Sure, to some extent. But there is also the premade factor to say nothing of the rock-paper-scissor of vanilla balance. 

 

3) Yeah you bet and people like you start spreading the misconceptions that the old server was some hellhole were 90% were in naxx gear and doing nothing but griefing the few low lvls who dared coming onto the server. 

[Aisar87 0]

You can put that strawpoll where the sun doesn't shine.

 

With 1.12 talents MC and Onyxia will be rushed. PvP has never been nor will it ever be fair. Low lvl dungeons were alive and kicking. Outdoor PvP with similar lvls aswell. You will be ganked by higher lvls on the fresh aswell. 

 

Raid: Yeah, the game is 12 years old, world first are a distant memory. MC is easy with blue gear and BWL is the highest raid on old server. Straight out invalid. 

 

PvP: Sure, to some extent. But there is also the premade factor to say nothing of the rock-paper-scissor of vanilla balance. 

 

3) Yeah you bet and people like you start spreading the misconceptions that the old server was some hellhole were 90% were in naxx gear and doing nothing but griefing the few low lvls who dared coming onto the server. 

Sounds like you just don't value the same things that those of us who will roll on fresh do, that's fine.  If you want to roll on an older established server no one is going to stop you.  Attempting to trivialize the points being made about advantages on the fresh server doesn't make them any less valid.

 

Not sure what your comment about the stawpoll was supposed to accomplish other than showing your immaturity.

Edited December 13, 2016 by Aisar87

[Solorank20 0]

Why the hell do you people even want a fresh server? So what people are not "ahead of you? Reality check, you're going to be behind the top end on the fresh server as well. Established servers are far better for new players, you can make a lot more money, consumables don't cost a ваууing zillion gold and it's actually easier overall to get gear and get into raids. Not to mention how much you're going to hate leveling, holy christ the first two waves on nost was absolute misery. 

I personally wanna join the fresh server because it will start from the beginning of progression! A lot of people will be ready to run the lower level dungeons I won't be even close to the veterans levels as I have never played vanilla but I am so interested in playing it :3.  

[OrcWarrior 1]

Sounds like you just don't value the same things that those of us who will roll on fresh do, that's fine.  If you want to roll on an older established server no one is going to stop you.  Attempting to trivialize the points being made about advantages on the fresh server doesn't make them any less valid.

 

Not sure what your comment about the stawpoll was supposed to accomplish other than showing your immaturity.

 

Strawclicker tbh. If it had any meaning we would have a world where the British have a ship named "Boaty McBoatface" and the new Mountain Dew would be "Gushing Granny". Or was it "Hitler did nothing wrong" that won? 

 

I'm not trivializing his points, I'm pointing what's factually wrong with them. Or do you think that killing Ragnaros first on a fresh realm is considered a world first?

 

And it's not the old side who keeps making whiny post about when to release the fresh realm.

[OrcWarrior 1]

I personally wanna join the fresh server because it will start from the beginning of progression! A lot of people will be ready to run the lower level dungeons I won't be even close to the veterans levels as I have never played vanilla but I am so interested in playing it :3.  

 

See? The misconception that everything below BWL was abandoned is ripe and well. Ignoring the fact that people started playing on Nostalrius up until the shutdown and low lvl areas and dungeons was alive and vibrant.

Edited December 13, 2016 by OrcWarrior

[Dralek 5]

Strawclicker tbh. If it had any meaning we would have a world where the British have a ship named "Boaty McBoatface" and the new Mountain Dew would be "Gushing Granny". Or was it "Hitler did nothing wrong" that won? 

 

I'm not trivializing his points, I'm pointing what's factually wrong with them. Or do you think that killing Ragnaros first on a fresh realm is considered a world first?

 

And it's not the old side who keeps making whiny post about when to release the fresh realm.

 

You know people keep bringing up the subject that the strawpoll doesn't count. And thats just a baseless statement everyone does, to dismiss the poll bec}ause it does not benefit them.

 

It certainly shows that a larger majority bothered to vote for a fresh pvp server. The constant argument against is that:"oh well, a lot of people didn't vote cause they don't care", as if that was a compelling excuse to dismiss it. Sure if we are to talk about what people "may" have done, we could also argue that 200k players that were looking foward on the fresh server didn't bother to vote.

 

Truth is that a lot of people did bothered to vote, people from every side of the argument. Dismissing the poll based on an asumption that can be made for both sides is silly.

 

And no the old side does not make whiny posts, because they know their release date., They make entitled posts about getting preferential treatment regarding the queue time on their server instead.

Edited December 13, 2016 by Dralek

[OrcWarrior 1]

You know people keep bringing up the subject that the strawpoll doesn't count. And thats just a baseless statement everyone does, to dismiss the poll bec}ause it does not benefit them.

 

It certainly shows that a larger majority bothered to vote for a fresh pvp server. The constant argument against is that:"oh well, a lot of people didn't vote cause they don't care", as if that was a compelling excuse to dismiss it. Sure if we are to talk about what people "may" have done, we could also argue that 200k players that were looking foward on the fresh server didn't bother to vote.

 

Truth is that a lot of people did bothered to vote, people from every side of the argument. Dismissing the poll based on an asumption that can be made for both sides is silly.

 

Poll: a questioning or canvassing of persons selected at random or by quota to obtain information or opinions to be analyzed

 

I would give it just as much weight if the results were the other way, which is none. It could be 50 people in total who voted on it and the rest were bots for all we know. It's unreliable data and should be treated as such.

[Dralek 5]

Poll: a questioning or canvassing of persons selected at random or by quota to obtain information or opinions to be analyzed

 

I would give it just as much weight if the results were the other way, which is none. It could be 50 people in total who voted on it and the rest were bots for all we know. It's unreliable data and should be treated as such.

 

The sample does however reflect the usual population size.

 

The votes in favour of the old nost pvp do reflect the supposed amount of lvl 60's in nostalrius (+3900) against the 3700 or so votes for the nost pvp. The PvE votes are around 1700, which is not distant from the 2600 characters(more or less) players in that server.

 

We can correct some of the diferences for accounting multiple characters owned by one person for the both realm, and adding a few votes in for new players wishing to roll there.

 

But certainly the numbers do match.

 

So yes it could be a complete fluke that the numbers are relatively accurate to the last Nostalrius census, or it could be the work of a criminal mastermind who would go to the extremes to make it seem people wish to play a server because he has nothing better to do. Or, it could just be true.

Edited December 13, 2016 by Dralek

[Aisar87 0]

Poll: a questioning or canvassing of persons selected at random or by quota to obtain information or opinions to be analyzed

 

I would give it just as much weight if the results were the other way, which is none. It could be 50 people in total who voted on it and the rest were bots for all we know. It's unreliable data and should be treated as such.

You sound overly skeptical, some skepticism is healthy, too much is not.  It's a strawpoll presented to the nost community, voted on by the nost community.  Since this wasn't directly targeted at a specific group but presented to the community as a whole it's safe to say this is a voting result by, a. the most active members who saw it and b. random community members.  At the very least one can conclude that it is the most accurate poll we have to judge the community's interests.

Edited December 13, 2016 by Aisar87

[Geex 3]

look at the guild corner. strawpoll confirmed.

but nvm... every realm will be more than full. wth ppl rly think one server wont get enough ppl?!

Edited December 13, 2016 by Geex

[Hazar 3]

Tell me why you need new server?

You afraid of 60 lvls in STW? play on PvE than. anyway after 1-2 weeks on fresh will be the same corpserun etc

afraid of geared people? anyway someone will kill Ragnaros before you and you will be in blues vs epics

 

fresh just good for excuses unskilled players that it

 

tell me pros and cons of fresh server and I tell you why this is bullshit

Edited December 13, 2016 by Hazar

[Geex 3]

hazar you arent better than the guy who said "youthink you do but you dont".

[Ruthven 0]

Guys, dont forget that the reason behind releasing Nost servers first and keeping the Elysium server a "safe time distance" away is that as many people as possible start to play on these old servers so the new one doesnt collapse under the pressure of all the people who want to play there. There is thousands of people who didnt play on Nost and logically they would prefer a fresh start if possible - so this month waiting time should be able to drag some of them tothe old realms. It just really smart from the devs and im almost 99% sure this is the reasson behind why they released the two first and wait for the release of the third one eventhough its probably ready for release right now. Its Elysium team with colab of the Nost team so I dont think they want "their" only realm to crash and burn from the get go. Its just my opinion though but seems to be the case here.

[cryofsorrow 5]

Because this whole project's main goal is (soon to be "was) to revive Nostalrius.
The fresh realm is just bonus the community gets since it's getting so big.
PS: No one has been "afraid" of old realm being dead. I guess people put that sentence in their threads only to trigger others. Comparing 150k vs. 20-30k new players is pointless.

Edited December 13, 2016 by cryofsorrow

[Adeline 2]

 

The votes in favour of the old nost pvp do reflect the supposed amount of lvl 60's in Nostalrius (+3900) against the 3700 or so votes for the nost pvp

 

Not going to get into the argument but I just have to correct you here. Nostalrius did not only have 3900 level 60's. It had about 45,000 level 60 characters in total.

Edited December 13, 2016 by Adeline

[Rayaleith 2]

I wonder why people ask in here. They will never get answers. Only guesses. As long as the people in charge do not answer, irrelevant (no offence) people come here to guess for you. 

[SikSan 4]

I have 60 war t1-t2 on Nost, but still i want much more new fresh server to feel vanilla from very beginning again. I hope fresh server would be technically as good as nosts, and i hope it wont be desert, and there will be atleas 7-8k online

I doubt it will be barren. Still keeping a screen from KII opening. A lot of ppl from KI been saying it will fail, but we're all know how it turned out. It's good to have old and new server. So basicaly everyone going to be satisfied. Lvl and loot hoarders gonna keep their progress and newcomers and fresh junkies like me gonna get another fresh start. I still don't get the drama about it.

 

[Uncle Ganus of Clan McAnus 0]

I have 60 war t1-t2 on Nost, but still i want much more new fresh server to feel vanilla from very beginning again. I hope fresh server would be technically as good as nosts, and i hope it wont be desert, and there will be atleas 7-8k online

 

By Dentarg's dental record, I say !! "To feel vanilla from very beggining again" ?? Does it mean that leveling from 1 to 60 all over again is not enough for you but you'll also be creating numerous characters one after another ??? Watching that intro cut-scene dozens of times in a row for every race & class combo ????

[Turbz 2]

These fresh server threads are idiotic now. Elysium staff main priority is the revival of Nostalrius and then you newbies are getting a bonus fresh server afterwards. Just wait..

[ElSlayer 3]

From main page:

 

The upcoming holidays mean that many of the staff (and players) will want to spend time with their friends and families. Because of this, we will need to delay the launch of the fresh realm until January.

 

I don't think that people who work for free can be blamed for that.

 

/thread?

[arbet 9]

How DARE the Elysium staff take time off at Christmas, just shows how uncommitted they are!11

[Badtank 0]

Tell me why you need new server?

You afraid of 60 lvls in STW? play on PvE than. anyway after 1-2 weeks on fresh will be the same corpserun etc

afraid of geared people? anyway someone will kill Ragnaros before you and you will be in blues vs epics

 

 

It's not really about unskilled it's more about a large majority of the players here were pretty young if they played in vanilla and never really reached the top. They spent years getting ganked and not having the epics they wanted so badly, so now as a result they hate being "behind". It's mostly an ego thing.

[Dralek 5]

It's not really about unskilled it's more about a large majority of the players here were pretty young if they played in vanilla and never really reached the top. They spent years getting ganked and not having the epics they wanted so badly, so now as a result they hate being "behind". It's mostly an ego thing.

 

No it is the fact that not everyone likes to farm quick gear and jump into the latest raid. Some like to experience the whole game.

 

Problem is here every one is trying to say "why peoiple should or shouldn't" want to play the fresh server, as if it was a valid topic of opinion that you can give. On the other side of the orgument, no one is telling you not to play the old nost pvp.

 

In fact you demand explanations on why people would want a fresh start. Why did you want a fresh start when you started nostalrius in the first place?

 

The community for the nost pvp is being ridiculous with their attempts to silence the discussions of community members looking foward for the fresh pvp server, by constantly repeating the same ridiculous arguments which in most cases have been answered over and over regardless nos having to.

Edited December 13, 2016 by Dralek