Are tier sets any good?

[nanoxo 0]

Are tier sets any good?, because I keep hearing that almost all tier 1 sets are worst than Pre raid BiS, also a lot of people say Tier 2 sets are just there for the looks.

[toxigenwow 0]

No.

[Aderlass 1]

Depends on the class.

[Demonthese 0]

Only tier set I think is useless is druid t1, rest depend on spec and class

[Denbts 3]

Only tier set I think is useless is druid t1, rest depend on spec and class

Caster dps ones are pure фекал as well, both t1 and t2. 

[Gardash 11]

Depends on the class and what gear you have already.

 

In general, the tier 1 stuff is worse than what you can get elsewhere, but it's a good set for pvp for almost all classes.

 

For example, for priests, because I know priests best, the shoulders are quite good, better than pre-raid, and the gloves are best in slot.  The rest is either really bad or just okay, but you can get much better pre-raid.

 

For tier 2, it again depends on the class, but tier 2 is quite good for many classes.  Hunters, priests, warriors, druids, rogues need a bunch of tier 2.  For hunters and warriors, the full set is pretty much BIS.  Caster DPS not so much since they all need to wear Bloodvine and the offset pieces are quite good.

[Danko 1]

Depends on the class and what gear you have already.

 

In general, the tier 1 stuff is worse than what you can get elsewhere, but it's a good set for pvp for almost all classes.

 

For example, for priests, because I know priests best, the shoulders are quite good, better than pre-raid, and the gloves are best in slot.  The rest is either really bad or just okay, but you can get much better pre-raid.

 

For tier 2, it again depends on the class, but tier 2 is quite good for many classes.  Hunters, priests, warriors, druids, rogues need a bunch of tier 2.  For hunters and warriors, the full set is pretty much BIS.  Caster DPS not so much since they all need to wear Bloodvine and the offset pieces are quite good.

Any idea about paladins? Do we actually need our tier sets? I want to roll a pally because the t2 set looks ваууing awesome and i like healing.

[Undertanker 88]

Pre patch T2 is decent heal gear while waiting for your nice leather, cloth items. After upgrade the are for ret and healers that need a grinding, PvP set

[Lorilay 12]

Mages and Warlocks - Pretty much none

Priests and Druids - 3 pieces of T2 for set bonus (two of which are actually BiS for druids)

Warriors - If you're tanking

Rogues - T2 is good, T1 shoulders better than preraid?

Shaman - Are horde scum

Paladin - Maybe 1 or two pieces of T2?

Hunters - T2 set bonus is good for the raid

Edited December 16, 2016 by Lorilay

[Nostalrius News 0]

Depends on what you currently have

[Elviss 5]

Any idea about paladins? Do we actually need our tier sets? I want to roll a pally because the t2 set looks ваууing awesome and i like healing.

Depends on fights. For MC you don't need any t1, nor you need t2 for BWL. However, when you get to AQ40, you might find some use for some t2 pieces purely because of higher stamina bonus. But then again on some fights you'll still need gear with highest healing bonus and also in some fight gear with best mp5. Tbh when I was playing pally healer I carried like 3 sets of gear for different fights.

[Drakbak 3]

For hunters, all raid set pieces are upgrades over pre-raid, assuming hit capped.  8/8 T1 is bis until you can get 8/8 T2.  AQ set is garbage.

[Undertanker 88]

AQ set is for solo and PvP.

[szuszak 2]

from what i remember t2s (or rather parts of them)are actually decent

t1s are meh but its ok if you have them

[Danko 1]

Depends on fights. For MC you don't need any t1, nor you need t2 for BWL. However, when you get to AQ40, you might find some use for some t2 pieces purely because of higher stamina bonus. But then again on some fights you'll still need gear with highest healing bonus and also in some fight gear with best mp5. Tbh when I was playing pally healer I carried like 3 sets of gear for different fights.

Im confused. So we never really get a full set? Only a few pieces? Is there an item set that each class should aim for as the "final goal" or?

[Elviss 5]

No. You combine some off set pieces like idk....robes from Fankriss with t2 shoulders or Neffy's crit hat (that cloth fugly thing), healing plate pants from Sartura...basically you swap pieces to match requirements of fight. Some fights will last shortly and doesn't take much AoE damage to raid, therefor you don't need pieces with stamina, but only those who have best healing bonus. Some other fights are basically same, just last longer. In that case you might want to look for gear pieces that give you best mp5 that you possibly can have. In third kind of fights raid will take reasonable amount of AoE damage that can't be mitigated. That's when you want to put those t2 pieces to use. Even tho you will not heal as much as someone with ideal healing gear, you will have more hp, so you will get better end result simply by staying alive longer. But when you get to t3 you can't go wrong with full t3 set even tho there are some slightly better off-set pieces...

 

I've explained that in some other post, I'll try to find and you see if it makes it bit more clear for you.

Edited December 16, 2016 by Elviss

[Elviss 5]

While I completely agree that mage/warlock t1/t2 is basically Ironforge/Orgrimar AFK gear, I can't fully agree when it comes to pally healing gear. I'll elaborate

 

I said can't fully agree because there are indeed fights where gear that you suggested would be better choice, but there are other fights, mostly in AQ40 and Naxx where that extra stamina will come into count. On top of that, t2 also provides decent amount of intellect which also counts for something in longer fights. While I was playing my old paladin as healer I carried 3 set of gear for different sort of fights. 

 

Best healing bonus, for short fights, or fights where aren't much AoE damage around. Think Golemag, Vael, Loot Lord, Patchwerk...Problem with this set is that there are items with amazing +healing bonus but very low stat bonus (Casandra Grace, Robes of Exalted...)

 

Then there are fights where you're also not going to take much AoE damage, or damage that you take can be mitigated with some resistance pots, but they last longer. For that kind of fights you want gear pieces with lot of mp5 and intellect. Think progression on Ragnaros, Nefarian, Skeram, Bugs, Sartura, Razuvius...

 

Lastly, there are fights where even tho you might heal less efficient with stamina gear, you can survive longer, and consequently get better healing result simply by not dying. That's when you need those t2 pieces. Think Twins, Ouro, C'thun, Anub, Grob, Noth...

 

So, basically, things are not that black and white, as you guys painted it. Tier 2 is not best set ever, at least for paladins (and I'm assuming that shamans are in the same boat) like Xikaru kinda said, nor it is complete pile of poo as you claim it.

See if this makes things bit more clear for you.

[nanoxo 0]

Thanks a lot for all the answers, I know that I'm not the only with this doubt.