Disable VPN connections to server...

[Worldstar 36]

You have people that had their accounts hacked and used to sell gold resulting in perm bans. You claim that you aren't going to unban them because they could have connected to a VPN and sold that gold and then claimed they got hacked.

 

Just disable VPNs. Problem solved. No more worries about gold sellers.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ElysiumProject/comments/5kp16h/hack_victims_perma_banned_unless_chinese_farmers/?sort=top

 

[Tudi 0]

is fun because Pottu tell that guy "your account was compromised" but fu.ck you the ban is still permanent even if you're innocent :))

https://i.imgur.com/DFabH41.png

Edited December 30, 2016 by Tudi

[kenic 12]

Oh they could, but Pottu would never allow such an injustice to occur. Who cares if they're ruining the server. It just wouldn't be fair to block them.

[Worldstar 36]

20 minutes ago, kenic said:

Oh they could, but Pottu would never allow such an injustice to occur. Who cares if they're ruining the server. It just wouldn't be fair to block them.

People say it's not fair to block them. How is it fair to everyone else to have to deal with the crap that comes out of the Chinese community?

[gotmilk0112 10]

1 hour ago, Tudi said:

is fun because Pottu tell that guy "your account was compromised" but fu.ck you the ban is still permanent even if you're innocent :))

https://i.imgur.com/DFabH41.png

It's the person's fault for having bad security on their account in the first place.

The stickied comment puts it nicely:

 

"The account did something concrete and undeniably bannable, and since you (and only you) are responsible for your account security, getting hacked is not an excuse."

 

Your account can't just get "hacked". You can't just push a button and "hack" your way into someone's account. You have to acquire their password by some means, usually keyloggers, or in this case, account info from other private servers getting leaked, and people being dumb enough to use the exact same username/password across multiple private servers.

 

Just like how the admins do not handle "ninja" complaints, they do not handle "hacked account" complaints because it'd take a shitload of time and effort for something that could have been prevented in the first place.

Edited December 30, 2016 by gotmilk0112

[Worldstar 36]

1 minute ago, gotmilk0112 said:

It's the person's fault for having bad security on their account in the first place.

The stickied comment puts it nicely:

 

"The account did something concrete and undeniably bannable, and since you (and only you) are responsible for your account security, getting hacked is not an excuse."

You realize that post is simply a small part of the chinese problem?

[gotmilk0112 10]

Just now, Worldstar said:

You realize that post is simply a small part of the chinese problem?

I'm not talking about the topic in general, just replying to that person's whine about "omg pottu won't restore hacked accounts!!".

[Worldstar 36]

Just now, gotmilk0112 said:

I'm not talking about the topic in general, just replying to that person's whine about "omg pottu won't restore hacked accounts!!".

Fair enough

[Reimu 0]

I think in this situation one must consider how much game time was lost. 

If its a account with like a day in play time, I don't think you shouldnt be allowed to ask for an unban, for the case that your account was hacked.

When this happens on Blizzard Servers, you can also get unbanned. 

It simply isnt fair otherwise.

[Worldstar 36]

4 minutes ago, Reimu said:

I think in this situation one must consider how much game time was lost. 

If its a account with like a day in play time, I don't think you shouldnt be allowed to ask for an unban, for the case that your account was hacked.

When this happens on Blizzard Servers, you can also get unbanned. 

It simply isnt fair otherwise.

The account banning didn't affect me but I can only imagine how mad the people who lost their level 60s are.

[Reimu 0]

3 minutes ago, Worldstar said:

The account banning didn't affect me but I can only imagine how mad the people who lost their level 60s are.

Yeah, like a huge dick move in that case, unless they where really selling gold.

If someone has that much play time into his character on this server, I think they atleast deserve the benefit of the doubt.

[Graydar 0]

Oh, wait, what? They don't unban you if your account was compromised? That's messed up, people have invested a lot of time in these accounts. You can't just unilaterally take them away because of something that's been inflicted on them. :(

[gotmilk0112 10]

6 hours ago, Zipzo said:

What if I told you that it's not the fault of the players that the other databases where their account info is supposed to be secure got leaked in the first place...and therefore it's not the fault of the player that their account info was used to get in to any account whether it be that actual database or another...?

Admins warned everyone to reset their passwords.

And again, using the same exact account name and password across multiple servers is a bad idea.

/shrug

 

It's not "victim blaming" if the problem was wholly and easily preventable in the first place. It's not the admins' job to fix compromised accounts, it's the player's job to not use the same username/password on every server.

Edited December 30, 2016 by gotmilk0112

[Shayss 43]

10 minutes ago, Zipzo said:

Not only is "weak password" subjective, but I feel really bad for you if you grew up in a world with no second chances.

Hindsight is 20/20 never fit the situation more clearly.

 

How many of these people do you think would have gone to change their passwords after being notified to do so if they had more than 12 hours to do it from the point that databases were leaked compeltely unbeknownst to them. I bet you a vast, vast majority would have no issue with having done it.

 

No, instead they simply leave the server due to unnecessarily harsh regulations that are completely devoid of any empathy for the player.

 

"It's the account that did something wron, so we banned the account"

 

LMAO, like what? An account is an extension of the player. If someone completely alien gets access and sends a few gold tells, you're sitting there telling me that the innocent player is complicit in whatever bad shit that person was going to do? Even if they were never ill-intentioned otherwise? If I leave my door unlocked at night, are the police going to arrest me for any of my shit that gets stolen?

 

Sorry dude, but while there is merit in encouraging people to have "strong" passwords and manage their cyber security attentively, it is completely lost in this situation because the punishment doesn't fit the crime.

 

I bet you also tell inebriated women who become rape victims that they had it coming too? Never should have drank in the first place! Accountability! Can you really not see the absurdity of your stance? There's a reason you sport downvotes.

 

Please.

"I don't know how I got hacked" - gold farmer says.

"I don't know how I got hacked" - Normal person says.

This is the example and it perfectly illustrates the no 2nd chances policy. The devs don't know who is lying, they also don't know who is telling the truth. Rather outright ban all parties involved than risk actual contamination.

It is the right approach, even though it is a harsh one.

 

[IGetYouGood 1]

13 hours ago, gotmilk0112 said:

It's the person's fault for having bad security on their account in the first place.

The stickied comment puts it nicely:

 

"The account did something concrete and undeniably bannable, and since you (and only you) are responsible for your account security, getting hacked is not an excuse."

 

Your account can't just get "hacked". You can't just push a button and "hack" your way into someone's account. You have to acquire their password by some means, usually keyloggers, or in this case, account info from other private servers getting leaked, and people being dumb enough to use the exact same username/password across multiple private servers.

 

Just like how the admins do not handle "ninja" complaints, they do not handle "hacked account" complaints because it'd take a shitload of time and effort for something that could have been prevented in the first place.

There will never be a good way to protect yourself from hackers people bruteforce with word lists which combine words / random numbers they use all kind's of means to get accounts.. no way to stop that, even if you guys tell everyone to make 14 digits passwords someone will not listen and will make it the usually one.. so the problem can only be solved by banning vpn's 

[Shayss 43]

Sorry but this is a game. Not real life.

The time commitment is real and the risk of a permanent ban should be more than enough deterrent for most to not go out and break the rules.

Simple as that.

[Jeddite 9]

Cucks do not want to use effective solutions, because they don't actually want to solve the underlying problem(s). Because addressing the underlying problem(s) leads to butthurt and madwords.  And cucks cannot abide being the target of madwords.  And the staff -- Nostalrius and Elysium -- well intentioned as they are (and I do enjoy the servers very much) are absolute cucks on this specific problem.  Blizzard, too.

[Worldstar 36]

Crestfall is going to be banning VPNs why is it so hard for Elysium to step up and do the same thing?

 

I don't want people to end up leaving here because the staff is scared they might make a politically incorrect move.

Edited December 30, 2016 by Worldstar

[Everquest 7]

7 hours ago, Graydar said:

Oh, wait, what? They don't unban you if your account was compromised? That's messed up, people have invested a lot of time in these accounts. You can't just unilaterally take them away because of something that's been inflicted on them. :(

The problem is the VPN. And that people are big fat liars.

I'll give you an example of whats happening.

A gold farmer from France plays normally for months. He connects directly to Elysium, no VPN. His main focus is gold farming. But to make it look at bit legit he does group up now and then. After all good items help with the gold farming the next day. Once he collected enough gold, thousands of gold, he connects to a VPN, then logs into his account. Does the dirty work, sells the gold, transfers the gold, whatever.

At his point the account outlived it's usefulness and will likely soon get banned. That's what the gold seller expects, accepts, the time invested has been worth it, the gold was made.

But before that happens, he of course tries to prevent it from getting banned so he can continue to farm gold afterwards. He goes onto the forums and claims his account got hacked. Elysium can see the last login was made through the VPN, but there is no way to tell who did it. It may have been the account owner, it may not have been. Elysium can see the gold was moved and all accounts involved get banned.

So what I'm saying here is. There is no way to know for sure if it was inflicted to them or if they inflicted it on themselves.

 

You have to be really careful right now with any trading.

Methods these gold sellers use don't just involve direct gold transfers.

It's also items, that can easily be turned into gold, moved from 1 account to another. The gold seller buys an expensive item, trades it with the gold buyer and the gold buyer sells the item for gold on the AH or in direct trade.

Cheap items being sold / traded for large amounts of gold / expensive items. A guy trades 1 iron bar for edgemasters...

Legit? or someone buying gold? If you said someone buying gold...

How long does a friend need to be on my friends list before I can give him an expensive item?

Do i have to write a ticket? ask for permission to trade it? Can I only trade it to him for market value?

 

[Limitless 6]

I am playing with a VPN every saturday and sunday due to work. ''Banning'' VPNs would be dumb.

[gotmilk0112 10]

2 hours ago, Zipzo said:

"weak password" is subjective

How many of these people do you think would have gone to change their passwords after being notified to do so if they had more than 12 hours to do it from the point that databases were leaked compeltely unbeknownst to them. I bet you a vast, vast majority would have no issue with having done it.

Again, not using the same password over and over again for similar products/websites is Password Security 101.

 

/shrug

 

2 hours ago, Zipzo said:

Sorry dude, but while there is merit in encouraging people to have "strong" passwords and manage their cyber security attentively, it is completely lost in this situation because the punishment doesn't fit the crime.

The admins don't have time to deal with hundreds of people crying that they were "hacked" and demanding their account be restored. They clearly say when you register your account, to use a strong password and don't use the same password from other private servers.

 

And like others said, it's impossible to tell the difference between a real player requesting an account restore, and a gold seller requesting an account restore.

 

I bet you also tell inebriated women who become rape victims that they had it coming too? Never should have drank in the first place! Accountability! Can you really not see the absurdity of your stance? There's a reason you sport downvotes.

Nice job making a ridiculous comparison and using it to argue against me.

 

But yes, if you get so absolutely piss-drunk that you can't even fight back against someone, that's your own fault. You willingly decided to consume that much alcohol, and as such, you have to deal with the consequences. You can't be bailed out by someone else, for a bad decision you made.

 

And likewise, if you use a weak password and/or keep using the same password across multiple servers, it's not the admin's job to cover your ass, that's your own fault for being a dumbfuck and not abiding by basic password security measures.

 

And yes, I wear my downvotes with pride. Thanks for pointing them out. Lots of buttmad kiddies like you that can't handle an opposing viewpoint and have to put negative marks all over everything you disagree with.

Edited December 30, 2016 by gotmilk0112

[Glenzig 34]

3 hours ago, Zipzo said:

What about the insane amount of time commitment that vanilla requires doesn't justify a bit of extra investigation to ensure innocence or otherwise?

 

It's like giving the death penalty for manslaughter.

 

Yes, you killed a personin an accident, and you will serve time and be held accountable, but nah, DEATH BY HANGING.

If you had actually been keeping up with this you would know, they are restoring accounts on a case by case basis. Not everyone will have their accounts restored, but, I think you can be quite happy that they are considering appeals at all.

Your overall argument is as water tight as cheesecloth. No one has time to babysit people who are dumb enough to keep using the same credentials over and over again across multiple servers. At least half these peoplease played on Nost 1.0. They should be well aware of the rules about hacked accounts. They should be well aware of the fact that you need to employ proper account security measures. The most basic security measure is to use unique username/password for every server. This was well documented on the original servers. People got hacked there for the same exact reason.

Edited December 30, 2016 by Glenzig

[Worldstar 36]

1 hour ago, krokmitten said:

I am playing with a VPN every saturday and sunday due to work. ''Banning'' VPNs would be dumb.

Wrong. Banning VPNs would be smart. It would just be inconvenient for you.

[Limitless 6]

23 minutes ago, Worldstar said:

Wrong. Banning VPNs would be smart. It would just be inconvenient for you.

Oh look. An entitled brat who thinks that no one is using a VPN because he is not using one. 

[Worldstar 36]

10 minutes ago, krokmitten said:

Oh look. An entitled brat who thinks that no one is using a VPN because he is not using one. 

I'm the entitled one? You said "Waah banning VPNs is dumb because I can't play wow while i'm working if you ban VPNs!"

 

Lol