deadmines is abbreviated as dm

[taladril 43]

@Henceforth I agree with you but people are dead set on only bringing their memory which is obviously faulty.

[tywald 3]

Here are a few videos that use DM instead:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCrNdCk2LCQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Voc-D83l4MA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTgssKkXh_Y

If the articles are written by americans then they could be biased since the authors would most likely play on the US realms so that's what it would be based on I assume. Rustak for example is from US as seen here: http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/User:Rustak -> http://www.warcraftrealms.com/charsheet/616872

VC = Voice Chat: http://urbad.net/blue/eu/1153437176-101007_Voice_Chat_active_for_everyone jk :P this was the only thing that came up when I googled "vc site:http://urbad.net/blue/eu" while with "vc site:http://urbad.net/blue/us" you get Deadmines instead.

I tried to check if I could find something at: http://web.archive.org/web/20051127011431*/http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/board.aspx?fn=wow-general-en and http://web.archive.org/web/20050615000000*/http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/board.aspx?fn=wow-dungeons-en about vc but couldn't find anything on the available pages.

I don't deny that VC is mentioned at eu.battle.net but it's less common. It's more frequent on us.battle.net

But yeah it doesn't really matter what's being used, I can say "lfg westfall dungeon" and people still understand that it's Deadmines. Maybe it could've been called TD - The Deadmines(since this is what it's literally called) or would people still think about Tower Defense? I guess TDM could've worked as well.

12 hours ago, taladril said:

@Henceforth I agree with you but people are dead set on only bringing their memory which is obviously faulty.

I'd say if you are from Europe and have played on the EU realms then you can say this, if this was directed at us europeans. But yeah I don't think we can't make any progress on this discussion if you can call it that(seeing as EU is just getting belittled). Just in case you get the wrong idea, I am respecting the use of VC after learning it was the norm on US realms. I hope you guys are friendly :) right now I don't get that impression unfortunately; at least we can agree to disagree(about US players not willing to be interested to understand EU players' point of view).

Edited January 21, 2017 by tywald

[Syff 23]

EU : DM

US : VC

 

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[TheDruidCode 28]

People that started playing pre 1.3 or post 2.0: DM

People that started playing post 1.3 but pre 2.0: VC

[Revaniter 0]

I played Vanilla and Tbc on Bronzebeard EU. Never heard of VC before Elysium...

[Bioness 1]

On 1/25/2017 at 5:46 AM, Syff said:

EU : DM

US : VC

 

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This is the conclusion I've come to after all these years.

To avoid confusion and any annoyances I usually spell out the full name of all instances regardless of if they share an acronym or not.

The only acronym that truly bothers me like no other is when people use "y" to mean "yes". It is like I asked YOU the question, why are you responding with "why"!

[kindgokind 1]

It was DM back in 2005 when I bought the game and it still was DM when I finished playing for a long period in 2009. Don't know what are people talking about. Maybe it's VC now on retail and they try to make game more familiar to them, lol.

[kolbasnik 4]

В 13. Januar 2017 в 15:57, Fogged сказал:

No, sorry, both are EU. Yes, Warsong was populated with russian players those days. 

Both warsong was populates with russians in vanilla)

[Bioness 1]

On 1/26/2017 at 9:46 PM, kindgokind said:

It was DM back in 2005 when I bought the game and it still was DM when I finished playing for a long period in 2009. Don't know what are people talking about. Maybe it's VC now on retail and they try to make game more familiar to them, lol.

In defense of this, no one really cared about Dire Maul once the Burning Crusade came out, while people still went to Deadmines consistently. Being from the US and starting after Dire Maul was released I only knew of it as "VC", but can see why "VC" might have been less heard of for some people (more notably EU).

[Procto 9]

On my server Trollbane-EU in 2005-2006 we always called deadmines DM and never ever VC

[Schlomo 0]

On 1/25/2017 at 9:46 AM, Syff said:

EU : DM

US : VC

 

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'nam flashbacks i tell ya hwat

[Garun 9]

Ironically this morning The Barrens Chat was talking about how DM is Dire Maul and not Deadmines.

[Flexi 12]

Played on Ravencrest EU and Al'Akir EU and never heard the abbreviation VC before I started playing private servers.

Also, always used Start Baron/Scarlet.

Cant we just agree that different servers used different names, rather than flaming each other for being "wrong"?

 

Of course, this might be a serious case of the Mandela effect.

[Flexi 12]

Played on Ravencrest EU and Al'Akir EU and never heard the abbreviation VC before I started playing private servers.

Also, always used Strat Baron/Scarlet.

Cant we just agree that different servers used different names, rather than flaming each other for being "wrong"?

 

Of course, this might be a serious case of the Mandela effect.

Edited February 2, 2017 by Flexi

[killerduki 54]

On 16.1.2017 at 9:08 PM, Pottu said:

This is the most important thread on the whole forum. 

/Kind regards Killerduki

Edited February 1, 2017 by killerduki

[tywald 3]

13 hours ago, Henceforth said:

Testimonials are tending, we need to rely on historical research.

I tried as much as possible to find evidences that DM was deadmines but all sources pointed otherwise.

Can you call American GameFaqs and wowhead users as "sources" though?(to prove what's going on in the EU region) I'm pretty sure they haven't influenced Europe at all to use VC instead. "Dradeel 2" for example is most likely American due to his reviews for Phantom Brave and Etherlords II are dated 10/21/04 & 10/28/03 while the EU releases are dated 02/04/05 & 03/19/04 respectively; I guess he could import them from the US but I think it's unlikely. This guy is also American: http://ptr.wowhead.com/user=pelf .
"Boot Danger Gaming" youtube channel says "Country: United States". "My Gaming Experience"'s video uses AM/PM clock system on his desktop; as far as I know all countries in Europe uses a 24-hour system for digital clocks, so 3:00 PM that America uses = 15:00 for us here, so this video is most likely also from US.

US community managers aren't EU community managers so even if a blue in the US changed the title to include VC it doesn't affect us here in Europe.

Maybe I misinterpreted your post and it was about the US region and not both regions, in that case nevermind. I wasn't suggesting that VC is wrong in the US.

It would probably require propaganda to spread VC usage in Europe :P

Edited February 1, 2017 by tywald

[emux 0]

i remember ppl calling in Burning Legion [EU] server:

dm - Deadmines

DM/? - Dire Maul

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On 1/12/2017 at 10:06 PM, taladril said:

Undeniable proof: http://imgur.com/a/cO8Eh

This is Atlas, one of the most used addons in vanilla. Every dungeon had its own "code" next to the name. Once dire maul showed up, deadmines forever and permanently became VC.

I would refute this, but I'm at work with out my laptop. My atlas shows Deadmines as DM, and Diremaul N/E/W as DMN, DME, DMW respectively.

Also playing back in vanilla this was still the same arguement. however I will say that if you in westfall, its probably called DM, if your in a city LFG its probably VC or Deadmines. Most likely nobody in westfall is looking for a group for diremaul. If they are they probably joined a world chat channel and it will again either be called VC or Deadmines.

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On 1/18/2017 at 8:20 PM, taladril said:

I hate to break your bubble here but 100% of vanilla players used either Thottbot or Allakhazam...

Agreed.

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On 1/18/2017 at 10:24 PM, Henceforth said:

you fail at logic and fail at researching. Don't come troll please.

I disagree, this is the ONLY dungeon to my knowledge where people want that use "the end boss" as its abbreviated name. Not including boss raids where there is only 1 boss. The logic is sound. You just fail at reading between the lines and understanding that if people are looking for a specific boss in the dungeon they will use that name and leave right after (typically)

Since this is the first dungeon that new* alliance characters will/should enter unless they avoid it, they will most likely refer to it as DM

Going back to his "Troll" post lets try this: If you say LFG Gahz'rilla, what are you saying? you want to run the actual quest? you want to run the full dungeon? you want to run ONLY this boss? The problem is; its vague because its an optional* boss. Granted most bosses could be considered optional because the dungeon doesn't just kick you out afterwards and completely resets, but I digress.

People will assume that if your LFG for VC you are on the quest to kill him aka to run the whole dungeon of Deadmines. The problem with this is all to often i have found this may be a fresh run but often its an in-progress run and I'm unable to do 3/4 quests because they are at the Smithe and ppl left because the tank sucked or w/e.

Like i said before VC=/=DM People typically abbreviate the name of the dungeon they are wanting to run, not substitute it with the "endboss" or optional boss they want to run. (typically in my experience by new players who link the quest or abbreviate the quest name or mob to reflect their interest)

Just because you have all this proof that VC=DM just remember there are plenty of other people who have given ample supporting proof its called DM.

My challenge to you is: What other dungeon is abbreviated (on a regular basis) to the name of the end boss of that dungeon?

If you can supply ONE other dungeon with this issue, then you guys might have a leg to stand on. But as it is I'm chalking it up to n00bs trying to be cool, or trolls who want to see chat blow up.

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1 hour ago, Henceforth said:

If you still call deadmines as "DM", it means that you never leveled enough to get Dire Maul. So, yes, if you still claim that "deadmines is DM", then you either:

 

• Never had level 60 on vanilla retail;
• Started playing after TBC was out and Dire Maul became irrelevant.

I played during Vanilla through Wrath, and i always called deadmines DM. Still do. If/when i was looking for a group inside of Diremaul I would specify DM North, DM West, DM East, DM Tribute as they are 3 different instances and not linked to each other, other than location, you cant run one then transition into the next and to the last with out zoning out of the actual instance. Thus they were broken up in that sense (N/E/W) If they were saying LFG DM back in vanilla and did not specify N, E, W, or Tribute i would ask them to be more specific since they weren't linked or call them stupid and make sure not to group with them because after leveling to 60 they still couldn't figure basic shit out or a troll.

Again, did people say "forming raid for ZG" or "forming raid for Hakkar"? I'm guessing the former.

[taladril 43]

Look, Deadmines is the very first dungeon that a new alliance player is exposed to. If you are really new to wow the concept of a dungeon at all is also going to be foreign. All you know is what you find along the way. Well if you're questing in westfall then eventually you get to the end of the chain http://db.vanillagaming.org/?quest=166 and you see that there's this amazing loot. You say to yourself, man I want that loot BAD so what do you do? You spam general saying LFG to kill VanCleef. In the meantime you may hear from some people that he's in a dungeon called the Deadmines, which by the way is a 5 minute walk through a massive mine in and of itself.

I rememeber distinctly that I didn't know the concept of a dungeon or what it meant or what kind of group you need to set up. All I saw was that I wanted the gear and I had to kill VanCleef. LFG for DM is a term that you only know when you actually know what's up. In vanilla no one knew what was up so it started with VC and was only reinforced by Dire Maul when it came out. There may have been a time when it was DM because people wised up and I can see for sure that it would change to DM in later expansions because of the irrelevance of Dire Maul, but the answer is that VC is a special case for specific reasons and it is legitimate.

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10 minutes ago, Henceforth said:

Dude, stop the trolls.

Check the resources I've provided in my early post. This is not about challenging, this is about historical research.

I'm not trolling, I'm trying to educate the player base that you don't abbreviate the dungeon name according to the end boss or a specific boss. Calling a dungeon by a boss name is dumb. Unless its unequivocally obvious such as ONY.

If you are LFG SM you advertise the specific instance you are running. Why should it be different for a dungeon that comes after it, timeline wise and level wise?

[taladril 43]

If you ignore the historical context of VC and how it came to be such you are missing the point of why it is what it is. The fact that it also got reinforced by the fact that a new dungeon with similar acronyms is something that cemented it for being like that. Languages don't have rules that bind something some way. It's not purely logic. We get that VC is the only one like that. And yes you usually don't spam for a specific boss... Except you have princess runs and emp runs and rend runs. 

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I am fully aware that people started calling it VC because the vast majority of people were confused(or stupid) when Diremaul came out. They shouldn't have been confused is what i am getting at. There are tons of dungeons through out vanilla. some are single iterations, such as deadmines, stockades, Sunken temple. Others are split into several "sides" such as stratholme (living/undead) and Maradon (orange/purple or whatever it is) then you have multi instance dungeons such as Scarlet Monestary (4 separate instances: Graveyard, library, cathedral, armory) and Diremaul (3 separate instances: north, east, west)

So my point is this: If you had the patience to level up to 60 and you were being confused by Diremaul/deadmines, that's YOUR fault because you were not Specifying which Diremaul instance you wanted to run and got the lowbies whispering you because they havent experienced anything past level 18-24 yet.

Thus DM=deadmines

Of course there are certain runs that have specific names such as you listed. But thats typically reserved for making your point obvious that you intend on going no further. its kind of redundant to say LFG "insert last boss here" as you will most likely leave party after its done anyway.

IMO the only reason this is such an issue is because

A) people are easily confused or uneducated on how to specify what they want to run.

B) they don't know how to read or assume they know what's going on (referring directly to the person who posted the screen shot of the lowbie whispering the player who was LFG dm trib)

C)They want to stir the pot...