deadmines is abbreviated as dm

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On 1/29/2017 at 2:38 PM, Henceforth said:

In Darrowshire horde, no one says DM for deadmines. DM os Diremaul.

I will agree to disagree, only because horde have no (Quest) reason to run deadmines, and because I don't have to read it in chat. However Alliance players should call deadmines DM, and Diremaul (specific instance) by DMN, DME, DMW or DM Tribute, as to not sound a fool.

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14 hours ago, Henceforth said:

What you are trying to do is to reshape history. That won't happen.

Deadmines will be called VC, and if you call DM you will get high level players whispering you to join and you will get them frustrated.

I'm not "Trying" to reshaping anything, people remember it both ways. There is no right or wrong way. What you are trying to do is Prove its one way and only ONE way, when others have given examples of information that conflicts with yours. 

Second, and More importantly, Deadmines will be called whatever the hell people will call it. IF* i post a message for DM im smart enough and/or experienced enough to know; 1) how to specify DM or dm is deadmines... 2) how to properly specify or identify when Diremaul is the targeted instance and finally 3) tell people they are doing it wrong when they say they are LFG SM (with out specifying a particular instance) AND when DM=Diremaul with out specifying the particular instance.

Christ its like talking with this guy.

If you take anything away its this. If you use common sense, it will eliminate the confusion to only those who are not experienced enough to know there is another instance that also uses DM as its abbreviation. *its not exclusive* AND from my experience the 'veterans' use the format DME or DM East, DMN or DM North, DMW or DM West and lastly DM Tribute or a different variation DM n/e/w tribure. Yes this could be confusing to new players or people who NEVER ran Diremaul. But if you take the time to educate them its reduces the confusion.

Do what you will, I will still abbreviate the instance based on the instance name and not the mobs inside of it.

[killerduki 54]

LFM DM , need 3 Random DPS and Heal 16+.

Cloak from last boss reserved!

Those who complain about name goes to ignore list.

/Kind regards Killerduki

Edited February 2, 2017 by killerduki

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"If you post for DM it will be Diremaul. If you want to go Deadmines, you ask for VC or say "Deadmines"

Man who's the troll now? Wait....unless he can actually read my mind ...or the FUTURE!!!1... Can i haz lottry nums plx?

 

But in all seriousness i use a standard naming convention, like many other adults. Hence i follow the standard of abbreviating the "zone/instance" not "insert_Boss_Mob_Here"

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Edited February 2, 2017 by Trophy Un1ocked
Because reasons.

[tywald 3]

On 2017-02-02 at 2:42 AM, Henceforth said:

What you are trying to do is to reshape history. That won't happen.

Deadmines will be called VC, and if you call DM you will get high level players whispering you to join and you will get them frustrated.

They can still get frustrated even if it's about Dire Maul.

Alice wants to do DM west and advertise in chat by just saying "LFG DM". Bob is forming a DM east group and whispers Alice: "want to come DM east?" which Alice replies: "no, I'm looking for DM west". Bob: "..." (basically).

But yeah, VC vs DM debate should be an internal debate with just Americans; we in Europe don't really have anything to do with this as we aren't part of the US community which invented VC for Deadmines, in my opinion. I probably just butt in with the "Europe crap" but I felt it was implied that Europe was part in this. So that's why I wanted to make others(Americans) understand our point of view. The US community and the EU community have their own history and they shouldn't be compared.

I should probably say the English community in EU as for example in German, "The Deadmines" is called "Die Todesminen" so on the German realms they might've called it "TM" while "Dire Maul" is called "Düsterbruch" so they really could care less about "VC". I'm not German though so I can't speak for them, I'm just thinking they made their own German abbreviations(makes sense imo) or just shorten it like "Düst" but I have no idea.

Edit* If we are allowed to use non English sources then here is a German source: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/92145-das-abc-der-abkürzungen/ -> Blue unstickied two years later and pointed to: http://web.archive.org/web/20081219031211/http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=5383649182&sid=3 instead.

First link says that DM is usually Dire Maul. Basically just to be aware of it.
Second link says to differentiate between the two you should specify west/east/north for Dire Maul. (Which is what most likely happened as time went on for them.)

Edited February 3, 2017 by tywald

[tywald 3]

On 2017-02-06 at 1:57 AM, Henceforth said:

The community manager just sticked the post be cause thats what they did back in that time, he had no authority to contest or anything.

Even if I would take this as a resource, you fail to completely read and check the sources I have provided, so, why should I do for yours?

I already read your sources and there is no European source(not explicit at least), even the book as it refers to US-Anetheron server. The EU server of Anetheron is German so most likely the conversations wouldn't be in English if it was that one. They only confirm that VC is correct in the US but not in EU. The "source" I provided was just to show that Germans made their list, got stickied and if it's wrong it would be corrected by the community.

Here is just another guy confirmed to be American: "The_Abhorrent"(from GameFaqs): 

#62's signature: "Abhorrent's Armory: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Rexxar&n=Roht Would you take his advice?"
#67: "Linking my armory into your signature (for those who are wondering, yes that is my armory -- it's not great, but I'm honest) may easily qualify as trolling if not outright harassment."

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/534914-world-of-warcraft/52459381?page=6 

That armory link is a US one.

Europeans can ignore whatever he said at http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/534914-world-of-warcraft/45148597?page=2 If he were from EU and said that then it would be more interesting but even then he is just "some guy" on the internet.

I already checked some other users in my previous posts, even Rustak.

When I played on Frostmane-EU in late 2006(also early 2007 but that's irrelevant), no one corrected me to use VC instead and Frostmane was a good realm imo; we had two alliance guilds that cleared Naxxramas: Memento Mori and Security, one horde guild: In Excelsis. I just mention this so you don't think I just played on some random low pop realm that didn't clear anything :P But again, Frostmane-EU is just one realm out of many in Europe with its own history.

I already said before that I acknowledge that VC is used in the US and won't argue against it but you aren't acknowledging that EU might have it different. If you want you can agree to disagree(it's pretty much implied already I guess).

Edited February 7, 2017 by tywald
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On 1.2.2017 at 4:42 PM, Henceforth said:

They are more reliable sources than "i remember" or "I think it was" or "people called as..."

Check this out:

 

http://wowdata.buffed.de/quest/Die-Todesminen/Die-Bruderschaft-der-Defias-166

First comment:

#1 Gast im January 2006

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der einzige gute quest in den dm

 

Translation: "the only good quest in the dm".

The comment is from 01/06. BC was released in 2007.

Btw the name of the endboss wasn't changed for the german version of the game, it's still Van Cleef.

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On 2.2.2017 at 10:15 PM, tywald said:

I should probably say the English community in EU as for example in German, "The Deadmines" is called "Die Todesminen" so on the German realms they might've called it "TM" while "Dire Maul" is called "Düsterbruch" so they really could care less about "VC". I'm not German though so I can't speak for them, I'm just thinking they made their own German abbreviations(makes sense imo) or just shorten it like "Düst" but I have no idea.

We used the english abbreviations most of the time. No one ever used TM for Todesminen (Deadmines). I'm not so sure about Dire Maul / Düsterbruch, because I didn't hit level 60 in vanilla. BUT I didn't quit the game completely until the release of TBC. I played many characters on different german servers and was still around, when Naxx was released. I NEVER saw a "VC" in chat. NEVER.

 

Lets look at the two linked german sources:

 

http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/92145-das-abc-der-abkürzungen/

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DM - Dead Mines / Todesminen. Befinden sich in Westfall.

 

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DM - Dire Maul / Düsterbruch. Befindet sich in Feralas. Vorsicht. Wenn von DM geredet wird ist meistens Düsterbruch und NICHT die Todesminen (Dead Mines) gemeint.

According to this source, it's DM for both of the dungeons, but most of the time it will mean "Dire Maul".

Funfact: The same source asserts that german WoW players called Wailing Caverns "WC".

That DID happen, but it was called "HDW" or "HdW" (for the german name "Höhlen des Wehklagens") most of the time. Well, my brother called it WC sometimes, but he started playing WoW in the US beta.

 

The second source (which is correct about the abbreviation of Wailing Caverns on german servers): http://web.archive.org/web/20081219031211/http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=5383649182&sid=3

 

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DM - Deadmines / Todesminen. 5 Spieler Instanz (lvl 16-24), Westfall

Deadmines = DM

 

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DM / DB - Dire Maul / Düsterbruch. 5 Spieler Instanz (lvl 54-61), Feralas. Wird zur Unterscheidung zu den Todesminen oft mit den Zusätzen "West", "Ost" und "Nord" versehen, für die jeweiligen Flügel in der Instanz

Dire Maul = Either DM or DB (for Düsterbruch). To distinguish it from the Deadmines, players will often add the words "West", "Ost", "Nord" (west, east, north) for the respective wings of the instance.

 

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DM is fine... this isn't 2004 anymore.
If people had a brain in 2004 the DM would be referred to as DMN DME DMW as they are 3 different wings/dungeons.

Edited February 16, 2017 by TTL

[rikkisix 0]

This seems to be a EU / US thing, remember my fellow Americans the priv server community has always weighted against us axaxaxa. But yes it's EU DM and US VC, Even pre 1.3 atleast on Smolderthorn US and Kil'jaden US. (If anyone from those servers can provid proof hit me up) On those two servers, mind you i haven't moved servers in vanilla. It's same thing with DUDU  being druids and DD being DPS. Also EVERYONE KNEW VANCLEEF When we where 10 he was cool, no one liked going into the mines of the dead. We'd just hang out at graveyards if we wanted to do that :/ but that didn't become cool till we where like 14 right?

[YesthisisDog 2]

VC

[ZanathKariashi 0]

yep it was Dm on ours as well. You occasionally got someone calling it VC, but there wasn't any confusion. Dm or VC meant Deadmines, DM E/W/N/T meant Dire Maul.

As for dps or DD, we also accepted both terms, though DD was the more common until TBC.

Edited February 19, 2017 by ZanathKariashi

[rajinsu 8]

On 2/19/2017 at 0:21 PM, ZanathKariashi said:

yep it was Dm on ours as well. You occasionally got someone calling it VC, but there wasn't any confusion. Dm or VC meant Deadmines, DM E/W/N/T meant Dire Maul.

As for dps or DD, we also accepted both terms, though DD was the more common until TBC.

 played on arthas  and really only and the same setup was used dm deadmines dm with e/w/n was for dire maul allmost never seen any one call it vc till playing on here

Same for DD  i dont think i even seen any one use that till here

but really dont see the big deal about it if u are low lv asking for dm if any one dont get u are asking for deadmines theres something wrong XD