Our official response to Nostalrius — Elysium will prevail!

[Weazool 1]

Wasn't it clear that Nost was going to back out of the private server scene after a while? What, you just thought they'd risk their neck forever handing out the Nost core while still in Blizzard's crosshairs?

And how would you back out if you were them? Would you not say something similar? That you'll have no more part in it?

19 minutes ago, Wirt said:

Also you're just parroting the silly idea that Nostalrius' is held at gunpoint by Blizzard. It's ridiculous. They would never carry out a witch hunt on these guys. That would smear them as bullies and as such they'd lose a considerable amount of subscriptions.

*OF COURSE* games companies do not take legal anti-piracy measures from fear of attracting hate from paying customers. It makes *TOTAL SENSE* that retail players would up and quit WoW because of stuff like that.

I'm with Orocnogu on this one, you make no sense. Why are you *really* posting all this stuff? Trying to achieve something?

[Orocnogu 8]

Okay, thanks for your opinion and explanation of it's origins.

Maybe I'm just willing to hope for the best instead of expecting the worst. I sure hope though that I am right and you're wrong, otherwise I should just stop playing here altogether because the future is dark and full of frustrations >.< But at least now I can see where your opinion comes from, and I agree that it has it's valid points.

Except for character retrieval part, that's simply and plainly can't be done without Nostalrius re-opening the service: again, Elysium most likely have an encrypted character database, just a mish-mush of characters existing on a server w/o account affiliation whatsoever (hence, you can add them to friendlist and whatnot); Nost has the means to affiliate characters with accounts, issuing a token, which is later used by Elysium. Simply put: your account name on Nost and your account name on Elysium have no link between the two, and your account on Elysium has no link to the characters transferred from Nost. To estabilish that link, you need Nost's token, a certificate that these characters belong to you, the person in posession of said token. Then you go and claim those characters, linking them to your Elysium account. Since Nost (for whatever reason) are clearly trying to "cease and desist" to the fullest, I don't see a chance of that happening. Again, my condolences to all the people who lost their toons.

[Wirt 8]

23 minutes ago, Weazool said:

Wasn't it clear that Nost was going to back out of the private server scene after a while? What, you just thought they'd risk their neck forever handing out the Nost core while still in Blizzard's crosshairs?

And how would you back out if you were them? Would you not say something similar? That you'll have no more part in it?

*OF COURSE* games companies do not take legal anti-piracy measures from fear of attracting hate from paying customers. It makes *TOTAL SENSE* that retail players would up and quit WoW because of stuff like that.

I'm with Orocnogu on this one, you make no sense. Why are you *really* posting all this stuff? Trying to achieve something?

As a big business, once you're labeled as a bully you're into big trouble. They can't prosecute people without the media announcing to everyone what they're doing. Fine Brothers on YouTube is a perfect example of what happens when greed takes the upper hand.

Recently a company in Sweden purhcased rights for movies, TV series, etc. and used their rights to prosecute downloaders. Internet Service Providers (ISP) got overwhelmed with criticism for subordinating themselves to this company and had to refuse giving them data in order to secure their subscriptions. People were going to other ISPs in order to protect themselves from being handed out to this greedy scum. That company has ceased to exist as their business is no longer lucrative. AFAIK even though a lot got these threat letters dimped down in their mailboxes noone was prosecuted into court. Some paid in fear of getting to that point though.

Edited January 16, 2017 by Wirt
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[Weazool 1]

3 minutes ago, Wirt said:

As a big business, once you're labeled as a bully you're into big trouble. They can't prosecute people without the media announcing to everyone what they're doing. Fine Brothers on YouTube is a perfect example of what happens when greed takes the upper hand. Recently a company in Sweden purhcased rights for movies, TV series, etc. and used their rights to prosecute downloaders. Internet Service Providers (ISP) got overwhelmed with criticism for subordinating themselves to this company and had to refuse giving them data in order to secure their subscriptions. People were going to other ISPs in order to protect themselves from being handed out to this greedy scum. That company has ceased to exist as their business is no longer lucrative. AFAIK even though a lot got these threat letters dimped down in their mailboxes noone was prosecuted into court. Some paid in fear of getting to that point though.

I am not familiar with your example, but for what i'm about to say i'll consider it to be the truth about it. But the fact remains, that the situation with Nostalrius is quite different: there's no Internet providers in the middle standing to loose anything, Blizzard suing people is quite a real thing, Nost devs stand nothing to gain giving out code, afterall they've done a lot of work for the Vanilla Wow community, why would they most likely avoiding legal trouble be so reproachable? If Blizzard would be suing *YOU* for something, and they'd have a good case against you, would you still piss in the wind thinking they won't move against you, the media would kill them, look at what happened in Sweden?

They have a right to look after their own safety and interests, rather then some character database.

[Pottu 290]

Few clarifications:

 I'm pretty sure Elysium could redeem those characters themselves if they wanted.

No, we cannot do that. It is literally impossible without the token data.

 All I know is that I can still add my old characters and friends old characters to my friendlist.

Because the names were reserved. There is nothing attached to those names without a token.

 

[Windowlicker 0]

So my 39 warrior from old Nost is gone? Fúck. The generator broke the day I revisited the server.

Oh well, I'm glad you guys are still fighting the good fight. Thanks for your loyality to the community.

 

Oh and another question - since the Nost team transferred over to Elysium, is it just a few stragglers manning Nost now that made the decision asking for the code back? Or do the new Elysium staff consider themselves part of old Nost?

Edited January 16, 2017 by Windowlicker

[Wirt 8]

3 hours ago, Weazool said:

Blizzard suing people is quite a real thing

Not at all. When have they engaged in such a witch hunt? We've not even seen the supposed threat letter. Also aren't all private servers receiving these letters? It's standard procedure.

If what you're saying is true then they're doomed no matter what and will be facing court and jail.

3 hours ago, Weazool said:

Nost devs stand nothing to gain giving out code

They absolutely do. They shut down their servers in hopes of getting paid positions at Blizzard. When it didn't go their way they gave the data to Elysium.  Blizzard contacted Nostalrius again and wants to know where its loyalty stands. That's why we're seeing Nostalrius being regretful of giving away their data. There's money involved. Nostalrius wouldn't roll themselves in the dirt for nothing. They knew more than anyone what was coming when they announced their absurd demands.

3 hours ago, Weazool said:

They have a right to look after their own safety and interests, rather then some character database.

You're contradicting yourself. First you say Nostalrius gains nothing by releasing the code to Elysium. Then you claim they need to protect themselves from Blizzard's persecution. Why on Earth would they release the data, further engaging in criminal activity, if they're being prosecuted by Blizzard?

2 hours ago, Pottu said:

Few clarifications:

6 hours ago, Wirt said:

I'm pretty sure Elysium could redeem those characters themselves if they wanted.

No, we cannot do that. It is literally impossible without the token data.

Since you seem to know so much and are involved in both projects maybe you could answer other questions. Why was there a letter made several days prior to Nostalrius' announcement? Why didn't you let the community have a say on this? Why are you complying to several of their demands? You knew in advance what the reaction would be, yet you submit yourself to their insanity. There is more to this than meets the eye.

[ServerDaddy 2]

Just when things seemed like smooth sailing Nost has to do this....

[Bestforever 0]

I have transfered account from Nost.

I have played all the time from beginning of Elysium.

All my characters will be deleted? I cant login to server - wrong password.

[Damodred 2]

Nost may be playing villain but certainly with this there's a big hype going on and by no means one should judge Nost for what they did, afterall they've been working and improving this community for so many years just to keep it alive.

They went personally to Blizzard headquarters, there's obviously something happening on the background and I'm certain Blizz is pressuring them legaly. When they closed servers and transfered data, creating this huge Vanilla hype, they did their last big move towards the growth of our classic community.

Thanks Nost team for all you did and thank you Elysium team for what you've been doing and -hopefully- will continue to do.

[Damodred 2]

15 minutes ago, Freezze said:

I have transfered account from Nost.

I have played all the time from beginning of Elysium.

All my characters will be deleted? I cant login to server - wrong password.

"Maintenance will continue for another 12-14 hours. Key people are unavailable at this hour and fixes still need to be implemented. We will give a full report of why the maintenance was needed after it has been completed. Deep apologies from our team for the downtime."

7h ago from dev's twitter.

[YoHustle 0]

First of all Blizzard dose not give a вау about "Legacy" the only thing they are interested is money $$ hundred dolla bills ya! I don't see a reason why nostalrius would complain , because you did everything good by me.  As far as i can see Nostalrius wants a little bit of that $$ hundred dolla bills ya! I dont see the reason  , except if they want to wear robes whit "BlizzardCrew" on their backs... You elysium are honoring players like i , that are truest Vanila fans and im grateful for that !! If your official sponsor was Blizzard i would not pay a freaking cent , ungrateful corporation that dose not appreciate even one dollar you gave them.  Its better to be a Pirate then a OfficialBlizzardLegacyServers , this story is similar to that of series BlackSail! If im paying i will pay to you people that truly need it , to people that preserve our tradition our style of playin and the style of life. Long live Elysium! And may the "pirate servers" like this live to the beyond. The only thing i have to say to nostalrius : Together we are strong invincible,proud.... But divided we may fall ! 

Edited January 17, 2017 by YoHustle

[Rottenness 1]

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Nostalrius handed us the torch, we have no intention of putting it out.

That's all that matters.

[Orcasm 0]

Can anyone tell me what's going on?!

[Plirig 2]

7 minutes ago, Orcasm said:

Can anyone tell me what's going on?!

In short, This

 

Nost came out asking Elysium to stop using Nost's stuff and Elysium responded with the first post in this thread.

[Wirt 8]

1 hour ago, Damodred said:

Nost may be playing villain but certainly with this there's a big hype going on and by no means one should judge Nost for what they did, afterall they've been working and improving this community for so many years just to keep it alive.

They're basically giving us all the finger and want all WoW "pirate" servers to shut down. All this because they have some ambitions with Blizzard. Yeah, Blizzard, the very company that ruined the game in the first place.

1 hour ago, Damodred said:

They went personally to Blizzard headquarters, there's obviously something happening on the background and I'm certain Blizz is pressuring them legaly.

They all got horny expecting paid positions within a Legacy servers' team at Blizzard. Had they been put pressure on they wouldn't release their data and certainly not announcing it to everybody.

1 hour ago, Damodred said:

When they closed servers and transfered data, creating this huge Vanilla hype, they did their last big move towards the growth of our classic community.

It just doesn't add up with your previous sentence. They could've transferred their data without reach by Blizzard's radars, thus sparing themselves from further prosecution.

[potatocurry 0]

This is my first time posting here, and I've only recently joined Elysium when they launched the fresh-start servers.  Allow me to explain why:

 

I played World of Warcraft since release, and stopped after WotLK was released because the game had changed  just a bit too much to justify me paying for it monthly.  The game actually ate up a big chunk of my life, to the point where it wasn't very healthy - but I grew out of that, as so many other of us did, and nostalgia brought me back to vanilla servers a few years ago.  I played on so many, but purposely avoided Nost because I heard they had a very divided and sometimes juvenile staff.  When I heard that Elysium was putting up a fresh start server, I was actually very interested...especially since ALL of my friends planned to play there.  So, I started learning about what Nost's deal was (Like a lot of you, I saw a lot of my favorite youtubers talking about it from time to time as well.)

 

This is a completely outside perspective, because I never played on Nost, and don't give a single floating вау about it, so I could be completely off-base and just talking from my middle aged high horse here...but what they're doing here is just as up-their-own-попа and ridiculous as I believe they always were.  I avoided that server because the team seemed like they were the "WE'RE THE ONLY GOOD GUYS IN THE WORLD" type, completely self-serving, completely full of themselves, and considered themselves to be some sort of heroes.  But they were just the staff of a private server.  вау, -I- have been staff on a private server.  So to me, this doesn't seem like "the opposite of what they said they stood for", but in fact seems like exactly what I expected them to say.  That's the reason I never bothered playing there.

 

Good on you, Elysium.  I plan on staying here for as long as I can, and all of my friends are enjoying it too.  I mean if we weren't, why the hell would we sit in queue for hours? This is a great server, and I'm very, very glad you're not going anywhere. 

 

TL;DR - Nost always seemed like it was run by smarmy cucks, and I'm glad Elysium is different.  Keep on doing you guys, you're doing great.

[Wirt 8]

36 minutes ago, potatocurry said:

This is a completely outside perspective, because I never played on Nost, and don't give a single floating вау about it, so I could be completely off-base and just talking from my middle aged high horse here...but what they're doing here is just as up-their-own-попа and ridiculous as I believe they always were.  I avoided that server because the team seemed like they were the "WE'RE THE ONLY GOOD GUYS IN THE WORLD" type, completely self-serving, completely full of themselves, and considered themselves to be some sort of heroes.  But they were just the staff of a private server.  вау, -I- have been staff on a private server.  So to me, this doesn't seem like "the opposite of what they said they stood for", but in fact seems like exactly what I expected them to say.  That's the reason I never bothered playing there.

 

Good on you, Elysium.  I plan on staying here for as long as I can, and all of my friends are enjoying it too.  I mean if we weren't, why the hell would we sit in queue for hours? This is a great server, and I'm very, very glad you're not going anywhere. 

 

TL;DR - Nost always seemed like it was run by smarmy cucks, and I'm glad Elysium is different.  Keep on doing you guys, you're doing great.

So... If you found out Nostalrius' staff has infiltrated Elysium, what would you do?

[potatocurry 0]

Just now, Wirt said:

So... If you found out Nostalrius' staff has infiltrated Elysium, what would you do?

Does it count as infiltration if they were here from the start?

[Wirt 8]

Just now, potatocurry said:

Does it count as infiltration if they were here from the start?

If you knew that, why bother playing at all since you despise Nostalrius so much?

[potatocurry 0]

Just now, Wirt said:

If you knew that, why bother playing at all since you despise Nostalrius so much?

Did you miss the part where I said I started to play here because friends did and enjoyed it because it's a bit different, and replace it with "I despise Nostralius?"

 

I think you diiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiid.

[Wirt 8]

5 minutes ago, potatocurry said:

Did you miss the part where I said I started to play here because friends did and enjoyed it because it's a bit different, and replace it with "I despise Nostralius?"

 

I think you diiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiid.

49 minutes ago, potatocurry said:

what they're doing here is just as up-their-own-попа and ridiculous as I believe they always were.  I avoided that server because the team seemed like they were the "WE'RE THE ONLY GOOD GUYS IN THE WORLD" type, completely self-serving, completely full of themselves, and considered themselves to be some sort of heroes.  But they were just the staff of a private server.  вау, -I- have been staff on a private server.  So to me, this doesn't seem like "the opposite of what they said they stood for", but in fact seems like exactly what I expected them to say.  That's the reason I never bothered playing there.

Nostalrius is here to stay. Are you going to stick with your principles or play with your friends?

[potatocurry 0]

Again, I said that I AVOIDED Nost because everybody seemed very far up their own bumbums.  It seems a bit different here, the people are nicer, and they convinced me to try it.  And heck, I actually like it. 

 

You know you don't have to despise something to avoid trying it, yeah?  I didn't like it before so I avoided it, and now I'm enjoying myself despite the past.  I'm sorry that for whatever reason triggers you so very badly.

[Vyrash 2]

So How loong will the Severs be Down?

[Orocnogu 8]

6 минут назад, potatocurry сказал:

 I'm sorry that for whatever reason triggers you so very badly.

I'd avoid arguing with that particular person, not only he has an ironclad opinion about Elysium being bad guys for some reason, but also his dedication to share said opinion, extensively, on the slightest possibility, is admirable >.<