Let's finish this discussion once and for all.

[Justme 9]

See poll. 

[Oakenlix 79]

This is a vote btw, not a finish of the discussion.

[mytchi3 1]

Did not contrinute to the discussion about the stupid scrub tank who farms 200g per hour with aoe with his mage he used to have (lol sure), bashes people who take gear from him but is totally ok for stealing 350g luxury item for himself becuase he NEEDS it (lol sure like every single tank that started raiding had to have those)

But damn you made my day guys, so many idiotic people who dont understand logic that LUXURY boe= gold = prebis sets for other classes like devilsaur set or bloodvine set.

Thx Oakenlix and that mage for keeping up the discussion and entertaining us forum dwellers while we were at work. Already looking forward for tommorow for more fruitful discussion about  "Hey dude wheres my epic"

PS : Oh btw Morox or whatsyourname ill give you 100g for every 100g i make in that aoe farm of yours with my mage if you share your secret. Waiting for that PM

PPS : im pretty sure you would also expect to get Alcors sunrazor if it dropped becaue its pretty bis tank weapon right????

PPPS: please ignore me also on every server so i dont invite you to my group even by mistake, Name is the same as forum name.

[smokeit 26]

We need a list of the players that have the 'Everyone should hit Need, because everybody needs gold' mentality.

Really don't want to play with these players.

Glad I got a full guild that does runs together and actually cares about eachother and their upgrades over their own virtual wallet.

[mytchi3 1]

Its not about vallet as it was proved many times over the threat. Its luxury item that equals to gold that will be prebis for someone else like warrior, rogue, hunter devilsaur and mage warlock bloodvine sets.

[Oakenlix 79]

Just now, smokeit said:

Really don't want to play with these players.

If you don't like people rolling on BoEs, just state your loot rules if you are the group leader. Its that simple.

[smokeit 26]

Just now, Oakenlix said:

If you don't like people rolling on BoEs, just state your loot rules if you are the group leader. Its that simple.

Yeah I quit pugging a while ago. Got a big guild, so I run with trustworthy people. (So far :p). But indeed it's good to make rules beforehand.

[mytchi3 1]

You are a hypocrite if you say you would pass on BOE like alcors sunrazor for a total stranger person in a pug 5man run.

I dont believe you.

[Justme 9]

Just now, Oakenlix said:

If you don't like people rolling on BoEs, just state your loot rules if you are the group leader. Its that simple.

Kinda tedious when you group up in the open world don't you think? 
For dungeons, sure, make lootrules. For the open world I'd like to have some default ruleset.

[mytchi3 1]

It deppends if its a green or cheap blue then i pass i will be happy other random got some nice loot but dont expect to pass on anything over 10g.

[Oakenlix 79]

3 minutes ago, Justme said:

Kinda tedious when you group up in the open world don't you think? 
For dungeons, sure, make lootrules. For the open world I'd like to have some default ruleset.

It is tedious, but you kinda have to either do that or deal with what other people consider default loot rules. You could make a macro for that, after all.

[Justme 9]

8 minutes ago, Oakenlix said:

It is tedious, but you kinda have to either do that or deal with what other people consider default loot rules. You could make a macro for that, after all.

Meh, macro require user input by click. I'll just wite an addon to post a message when I join a party. Thanks for the tip tho.

[Rapteg 0]

So then, if i play, say, a hunter, and roll on all BoE weapons i get my hands on and refuse to equip them "because guys i tots don't have a skill yet, need to go to UD to learn it", others should pass on it because...? What happens when disagreement like "this piece is BiS for prot warrior!" and "but my piece also have more strength than my green level 41 shoulders!" are met?

See, decision to "roll need when it's an upgrade" is EXTREMELY subjective, and this whole system is induces drama so hard that your party will probably just stop in its tracks when first BoE drops and will start fighting each other, instead of.. "grats" and move on

Edited February 27, 2017 by Rapteg

[Oakenlix 79]

Tbh I wanted to see a poll like that ever since this post:

On 28.01.2017 at 7:25 AM, Cephei said:

You may think that gold/monetary reasons constitute for a legitimate reason to roll need on an item, but you would be wrong. The majority of people consider this ninja looting and will take steps against you if still do it to sell the item.

Would be interesting to see poll results in a day or two, but so far it seems pretty ironic considering the amount of "Majority opinion" arguments there were posted.

 

[Rapteg 0]

3 минуты назад, Oakenlix сказал:

Tbh I wanted to see a poll like that ever since this post:

Would be interesting to see poll results in a day or two, but so far it seems pretty ironic considering the amount of "Majority opinion" arguments there were posted.

 

If anything, this poll how many people care about this "issue". Also, i wouldn't be surprised if some emotional people created multiple accounts to vote out of spite

[Roax 3]

Voted for direct upgrade, although I would adept to the in advance stated loot rules. 

What bothers me most in all these discussions and in the internet in general, is people getting personal by calling others names like bitch, bonehead, retard etc.. But hail to the anonymous internet, where getting personal is a "legit" strategy.

That said, I gladly group with anybody, who is able to keep things factual at any time regardless of the preferred loot rules. Especially online, where you are able to rethink before pressing send.

[Into 3]

2 hours ago, Roax said:

hail to the anonymous internet, where getting personal is a "legit" strategy.

When I was still on Facebook, it was as bad or worse (and not anonymous).

[mytchi3 1]

Its like we dpnt even play the same server. I have seen krol blades alcors stocades drop but i never seen people like you who think they are somehow entitled to get those items to use.

Afte someone won we said gz and some people asked how much would you sell that to me for during the run etc.

Edited February 27, 2017 by mytchi3

[J.AllenBrack 1]

So anyway 

Boots of Avoidance http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=14549#dropped-by

just dropped on my Maraudon dungeon run, and I was pretty excited (being a tank, and planning on tanking late game raids), and I asked the group If it was cool if I needed on the boots, seeing as how It was actually one of the best boots to have pre-raiding. The Thornstone Sledgehammer literally just dropped the mob before the mob that dropped the boots, and we all unanimously greeded on the Blue BoE, so I assumed this group was sensible and understood Need before Greed. But when the boots dropped, I asked politely if i could need the boots to actually use (and equip on the spot), but the group suddenly became irate saying that the boots were only good to sell and that I'd "Outlevel them" and that everyone should need because it was "vauable" regardless of if they could use it or were only going to AH it (If they were worth a lot, that's because they are useful at 60/raiding so that " you'll outlevel it" comment was one of the dumbest things i'd ever heard).

I ended up losing the roll to a rogue, who I politely whispered the rogue if I could get the boots off of him and I'd even be willing to pay, since I really could use them, and it was (in my mind, not fair that we should all need just because it was a BoE). But he replied "For alot of gold yes", and I was pretty upset and decided I no longer wanted to finish the run with this group and wanted to leave. I helped everyone clear to Celebras and explained to everyone how to get the scepter and then left the group. 

Am I wrong in believing that it was unjust to Need on a BoE someone could actually use just to AH? I mean if it was a Blue BoE I needed, I can't imagine this would be a problem, but it was an Epic so I'm guessing everyone's greed just got the better of them. If something different like Stockade Pauldrons or Gut Ripper, or Krol Blade dropped and we had someone who could actually use the items, is it still acceptable for everyone to Need on the item, just out of pure greed? I'm pretty sure that this constitutes Ninjaing, in this situation, am I wrong? (I'll post Screenshots if anyone wants evidence)

[J.AllenBrack 1]

I don't see how people aren't aware of their own GREED, I mean if something drops and is useful of 1 person in the group, and that person explicitly says they need an Item and will use that item, It makes sense that everyone else passes on that item. That is how BoP's work, but how is it acceptable at all when that same item suddenly becomes BoE that its okay for anyone to stake their claim on that item, solely on the idea that it will be worth a lot of money to them.  If you're gonna be a shitty greedy cunt, at least own up to being a shitty greedy cunt rather than hide behind the flawed idea that you're entitled to these items regardless of if you can use them or not.

[mytchi3 1]

1 hour ago, J.AllenBrack said:

... you're entitled to these items regardless of if you can use them or not....

This is rich. You realize nothing makes YOU entitled to those BOE epics either since gold is interchangeable currency as as soon as the person who got BOE epic sold can buy his own BOE epic he can use in this case rogue can buy Krol Blade or devilsaur set.
Your logic is flawed and only wrongdoing here was you being greedy and entitled to random epic BOE items and leaving group when not getting your way, Think about that leaver.

[ismeckye 7]

3 hours ago, J.AllenBrack said:

I don't see how people aren't aware of their own GREED, I mean if something drops and is useful of 1 person in the group, and that person explicitly says they need an Item and will use that item, It makes sense that everyone else passes on that item. That is how BoP's work, but how is it acceptable at all when that same item suddenly becomes BoE that its okay for anyone to stake their claim on that item, solely on the idea that it will be worth a lot of money to them.  If you're gonna be a shitty greedy cunt, at least own up to being a shitty greedy cunt rather than hide behind the flawed idea that you're entitled to these items regardless of if you can use them or not.

The main difference is that the person didn't  go to that dungeon to farm some 0,03% drop chance item to equip. It happened out of the blue and could've happened out in the open.

I really can see both sides of the argument and currently I rather go to the "sell BoE for own upgrade".

Would you pass on Staff of Jordan when grouping up to kill the ogre patrol for the Badland quest because a mage was in your group who needs that weapon as preraid BiS weapon?

Edited February 28, 2017 by ismeckye

[J.AllenBrack 1]

I actually would, If he promised to equip it on the spot. 

[J.AllenBrack 1]

The difference is between being entitled to raw gold for themselves and Needing an item someone will legitimately use. What gives them the right to sell it on the AH and keep all the gold for themselves, If they split the profits 5 ways then there's no problem. Wanting gold and needing simply because they can is entitlement to something they have no right over, Needing an Item you will use is literally how to loot system in WoW is meant to work, Your BoP item drops off a boss, you need.

If someone who can't use said item Needs because they can vendor/disenchant, that's entitlement and greed. Get your head out of you're ass, your argument that "gold is interchangeable currency as as soon as the person who got BOE epic sold can buy his own BOE epic he can use in this case rogue can buy Krol Blade or devilsaur set" means that people are free to Need anything and everything they want simply because shards and BoP items can become gold, we're does you logic actually work? No where and to no one. So shut the fuck up and if you're gonna respond respond with an actual coherent argument. 

[faellendir 0]

I never understand the needing on an item, which you can't use?! Especially, when there is someone else in the group who could use this item. People are only thinking about themselves in the end it seems like it. I never pressed "need" on an item (not even a BOE) if it doesn't upgrade my current gear.
Where's the community by helping each other ( press greed on an item someone needs for example) and reach max level together?  English is not my native language and I was looking for word to describe these people. the word I found; self-centered. and narcissistic :p

Edited February 28, 2017 by faellendir
added narcissistic. thanks dictionary