Please explain one thing to me:

[Blai 0]

How come 90% of the hunters exploit Lupos and nothing is being done about it?

I've just seen a picture some hunter posted showing the damage of Lupos at level 41.
504 crit damage.. at level 41. Don't you think something is wrong when your pet deals 200% of your damage?

as of now, Lupos alone can out dps ANY class.

How come people are not talking about this exploit? where a BM hunter with Lupos can dish out twice the damage of any other class?

Just look at this picture:].

Why is this issue not making any noise? why is Lupos not being removed from the game until the issue is resolved?

This is just like the issue where druids can benefit from +damage enchants. Those issues effect the gameplay drastically and ruin the immersion of the game.

[Nelythia 44]

:thinking:

 

I wonder why!

[Overtime 6]

Blizzlike, wait for AQ.

[gotmilk0112 10]

30 minutes ago, Blai said:

How come 90% of the hunters exploit Lupos and nothing is being done about it?

Because it's not an exploit, you dingus.

 

It wasn't nerfed until patch 1.9

[Slicy 11]

On which realm are you playing ?

It was "fixed" during retail with patch 1.9 as said above.

This should not happen anymore on Anathema.

You can argue if Blizzard fixed it because they considered it was a bug to have pets not doing Physical damage, maybe it should be fixed beforehand here. However that would open a Pandora box I don't even want to think of.

Classes are not "blizzlike" here @Overtime. They are intentionally on 1.12 mechanics for every realm, as opposed to progressive patches for itemization, raids etc. I do think (but that is just my worthless opinion) Pets' ones are a core part of the Hunter class. "Fixing" it before 1.9 could be a thing if you follow that logic.

Edited March 8, 2017 by Slicy

[Blai 0]

7 minutes ago, Overtime said:

Blizzlike, wait for AQ.

I hope you're being sarcastic..

there's not a single pet in-game that deals damage that is even close to Lupo's damage in it's current state.
a normal wolf with the same attack speed and the same level crits for 200~ with Bestial Wrath and Furious Howl on the same npc.

How can you explain it's damage other than being bugged? Lupos was great for his shadow damage, that's true, but it doesn't mean he dealt three times the damage of any other pet, it only meant that his basic attacks ignored armor.

[flowqz 34]

12 minutes ago, Blai said:

I hope you're being sarcastic..

there's not a single pet in-game that deals damage that is even close to Lupo's damage in it's current state.
a normal wolf with the same attack speed and the same level crits for 200~ with Bestial Wrath and Furious Howl on the same npc.

How can you explain it's damage other than being bugged? Lupos was great for his shadow damage, that's true, but it doesn't mean he dealt three times the damage of any other pet, it only meant that his basic attacks ignored armor.

which results in ~ double dmg while no armorpenetrationdebuffs are active.

[lineupofpeace 0]

14 minutes ago, Blai said:

How can you explain it's damage other than being bugged? Lupos was great for his shadow damage, that's true, but it doesn't mean he dealt three times the damage of any other pet, it only meant that his basic attacks ignored armor.

I don't think this is true at all. I had the Hillsbrad mountain lion pet until level 40, when i tamed Lupos. It's true that he's much more effective against high armor targets but he definitely doesn't deal 3x the damage of any other pet. Against most mobs I haven't seen my killing speed increase significantly from the mountain lion, since cats deal slighly more base DPS plus they can use claw and have a higher attack speed (more frenzy uptime).

BM hunter pets with BW on have always been incredibly powerful.

 

 

Edited March 8, 2017 by lineupofpeace

[Blai 0]

Please refer to this thread from 2005 ("pre nerf"):
https://web.archive.org/web/20060715214134/http://vnboards.ign.com/WoW_Hunter_Class/b22778/92170949/?

do your math and tell me if the damage shown in the picture I provided looks like something described on that thread.

You all hang into that "it's pre nerf" claim like it can ever explain that unrealistic damage shown in the picture.

Do you really think your pet should out hit you with a 2.7 attack speed weapon?

I'm really surprised how can someone think that's how it's supposed to be.

[lineupofpeace 0]

3 hours ago, Blai said:

Please refer to this thread from 2005 ("pre nerf"):
https://web.archive.org/web/20060715214134/http://vnboards.ign.com/WoW_Hunter_Class/b22778/92170949/?

do your math and tell me if the damage shown in the picture I provided looks like something described on that thread.

You all hang into that "it's pre nerf" claim like it can ever explain that unrealistic damage shown in the picture.

Do you really think your pet should out hit you with a 2.7 attack speed weapon?

I'm really surprised how can someone think that's how it's supposed to be.

You're literally referring to one attack in your picture, where clearly Lupos is under the effect of both furious howl and BW. That crit was probably at the high end of the range, and not the average crit. Lupos also has one of the slowest attack speeds of any pet at 2.0 which results in bigger crits.

Please show us the range of outcomes for a critical hit made a normal 2.0 attack speed wolf under BW and furious howl on that same player with the same amount of armor, to substantiate your claims that it would not exceed 200 damage. 

[gotmilk0112 10]

Lupos does not deal "three times as much" damage as a normal wolf.

 

All his shadow damage does is ignore armor, so that should be a 20-40% damage increase over a normal wolf, not 200%

 

And even then, it's just his normal melee that is Shadow, so Bite still deals normal damage.

[Blai 0]

So all you guys imply that a BM hunter's pet should outDPS an equal level rogue? Because in reality, hunter pets dish out more damage than a rogue (I won't compare the pet to any other class because no one actually has a chance other than a rogue).
(mind you that I'm still leveling, and my experience is based on playing a hunter in groups from level 18 to 54, and playing a very well geared rogue in groups from 18-50. There's no doubt a rogue would scale better with gear and out dps the pet eventually, but i'm referring to ANY dungeon while leveling).

BM pets were always very strong, I know it because I played BM hunter for years and even raided as BM,

and I can CLEARLY say that my Lupos at 60 couldn't take out 20% of the target's hp in one crit.
don't forget for a moment that the picture shows a LEVEL 41 PET.

Either you folks miss the major issue, or you just don't care about it, because obviously there is an issue with the unproportional damage PETS [with emphasis on Lupos] deal on Elysium.

Edited March 9, 2017 by Blai

[smokeit 26]

Looks normal to me,

Lupos does shadow damage until 1.9, so it ignores quite an amount of armor (especially in PvP), if the attack also crits I can see it going to hit 504.

[gotmilk0112 10]

5 hours ago, Blai said:

So all you guys imply that a BM hunter's pet should outDPS an equal level rogue?

(I'm still leveling)

You do realize that classes are not balanced while leveling, right?

 

Cry some more. This is not an exploit, it's blizzlike. If it triggers you so hard, wait until the server is patch 1.9 and then you won't have to deal with it anymore.

Edited March 9, 2017 by gotmilk0112