Voting System

[Hurricane2 2]

4 minutes ago, killerduki said:

The Topic is Suggestion for removal of "Downvotes" because it brings only negative toward the community in this forum thanks to few individuals who are vocal Minority everywhere including Reddit .

That argument would only make sense if there were no upvote option.  People don't like your posts and can show it.  Deal with it.

[killerduki 54]

2 minutes ago, Hurricane2 said:

That argument would only make sense if there were no upvote option.  People don't like your posts and can show it.  Deal with it.

If they don't like then there are 2 options as solution:

1- Remove Upvotes too.

2- They don't have to upvote at all , it is their legit reason to not upvote anything they don't like.

/Kind regards Killerduki

[killerduki 54]

Imagine , i create 100 different kind of accounts and downvote daily everyone.

This downvoting system is fraud within World of Warcraft since in this Game there are plenty of Toxic minority who downvote based on the person they don't like instead the topic/debate they don't like.

/Kind regards Killerduki

Edited March 17, 2017 by killerduki

[Guest]

Go do it already.

[Software 9]

I don't understand why people even care about them...

 

Ignore them, lads.

[Dreary 2]

Maybe people wouldn't instantly downvote you if you didn't spread total bullshit over dozens of forums for the past 5 years.

[davfer 0]

But dreary didn't he get holy resist right?

[Theloras 108]

2 hours ago, Hurricane2 said:

That argument would only make sense if there were no upvote option.  People don't like your posts and can show it.  Deal with it.

People can and have showed their dislike for both mine and Duki's posts for years - comes with the territory and we welcome it - the downvoting system is a joke however and open to rampant abuse

If people want to disagree with what I have to say then man up and type it out - don't hide behind a masked down vote and then get all of your fanbois to do the same.

Edited March 17, 2017 by Theloras

[Theloras 108]

Theloras
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[Theloras 108]

1 hour ago, davfer said:

But dreary didn't he get holy resist right?

and yes, Duki got $hit on for MONTHS on both the Nost and CF forums but in the end he was spot fcuking on

[killerduki 54]

From +1 down to -24 within few Hours.

At -50 i will create 100 accounts and downvote everyone in this Topic unless we get a call from any Admin/GM/CM  to prevent this Downvoting stigma.

"Release the Cracken,Crestfall knows only"

/Kind regards Killerduki

Edited March 17, 2017 by killerduki

[Theloras 108]

3 hours ago, Shiamorah said:

The people saying this have no legitimate authority over the forums, so again.. Their point is moot! This is an attempt to establish a false sense of power based on any individuals ability to downvote. Again, I would suggest to you to just let the haters hate, and ignore this argument they present entirely.

and this is why we can't have nice things on the internet - courtesy of Plask in his private message to me - one of the people who DOXed my wife and I back on Feenix:

Plask  2
Replied: 20 minutes ago · Report
Reminiscing about old times
http://imgur.com/a/X3O5o

So you will excuse me if I don't "turn the other cheek" to people like this...

Edited March 17, 2017 by Theloras

[killerduki 54]

Why this down Voting system is a Fraud ?

It directly violate against Terms of Use

https://forum.elysium-project.org/topic/21966-terms-of-use-rules-regulations/

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Disrupt any feature of the Game and/or any component thereof in a manner that is deemed negatively on other users, including but not limited to, sending junk mail, repeated unsolicited messages, sending advertisement and/or services for goods or services originating outside the Game.

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Institute, assist, threaten, or become involved in an attack upon any Elysium service or any of its users in an attempt to disrupt the servers or experience of users.

/Kind regards Killerduki

Edited March 17, 2017 by killerduki

[Zargoth 3]

Using the same examples, Killerduki, you could be accused of breaking the ToU yourself.

 

[taladril 43]

17 minutes ago, killerduki said:

Why this down Voting system is a Fraud ?

It directly violate against Terms of Use

https://forum.elysium-project.org/topic/21966-terms-of-use-rules-regulations/

/Kind regards Killerduki

I'm sorry but the only people specifically talking about an "attack" are you and theloras in your plans to downvote brigade people. Downvotes to you, you may not like, but they are hardly an organized attack.

[killerduki 54]

1 minute ago, Zargoth said:

Using the same examples, Killerduki, you could be accused of breaking the ToU yourself.

 

Talking on Topic is not Violating of the Rules as long you do not insult or randomly violating any rule.

The DownVoting is violation of rule since it impact and gives Negative experience to any User expressing different kind of opinion.

/Kind regards Killerduki

[Outstanding 10]

I'd say the issue with downvoting relative to this topic is that whenever Duki and Theloras post, people will see the negative rating and consider that their opinions are to treated with caution. By and large their (quite literally) holier than thou patronising attitude is responsible for their negative reputation.

Having said all that, I agree with both of them. Opinions should be based on merit. People should do their own research and not take what they see as carte blanche. Leaving the facility of only + reputation is still a viable alternative as to how a poster is seen in a community.

Last point. It is true that Duki and Theloras were right about holy resistance all along. However, they never actually proved it. The person who proved it beyond all was Cornholi. I never see him getting the credit he deserves.

[Theloras 108]

1 minute ago, taladril said:

I'm sorry but the only people specifically talking about an "attack" are you and theloras in your plans to downvote brigade people. Downvotes to you, you may not like, but they are hardly an organized attack.

cmon Taladril I know you're smarter than that and you know that I was merely using that as an example of how someone can abuse the system

yes, I gave you -6 downvotes but I changed it 2 mins later back to what it was

[killerduki 54]

3 minutes ago, taladril said:

I'm sorry but the only people specifically talking about an "attack" are you and theloras in your plans to downvote brigade people. Downvotes to you, you may not like, but they are hardly an organized attack.

Expressing an opinion because 50 people around the forum disagree with or the downvote brigade that goes on specific person/s randomly and regardless of the debate/topic.

There is difference between both 2.

/Kind regards Killerduki

[taladril 43]

1 minute ago, Theloras said:

cmon Taladril I know you're smarter than that and you know that I was merely using that as an example of how someone can abuse the system

yes, I gave you -6 downvotes but I changed it 2 mins later back to what it was

Yes I understand that. However you two are the only ones decrying the fact that it's a way to abuse and in the same breath threaten it and experiment with it too. I'm not and do not plan to use it as a wholescale way to target people. I think it's a useful way to vocalize to the community what is good information and what is bad.

[Theloras 108]

3 minutes ago, Outstanding said:

I'd say the issue with downvoting relative to this topic is that whenever Duki and Theloras post, people will see the negative rating and consider that their opinions are to treated with caution. By and large their (quite literally) holier than thou patronising attitude is responsible for their negative reputation.

Having said all that, I agree with both of them. Opinions should be based on merit. People should do their own research and not take what they see as carte blanche. Leaving the facility of only + reputation is still a viable alternative as to how a poster is seen in a community.

Last point. It is true that Duki and Theloras were right about holy resistance all along. However, they never actually proved it. The person who proved it beyond all was Cornholi. I never see him getting the credit he deserves.

I actually did credit and thank him for finding the warlock video:

https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=43506&start=370#p317397

https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=43506&start=390#p317506

 

[Theloras 108]

Just now, taladril said:

Yes I understand that. However you two are the only ones decrying the fact that it's a way to abuse and in the same breath threaten it and experiment with it too. I'm not and do not plan to use it as a wholescale way to target people. I think it's a useful way to vocalize to the community what is good information and what is bad.

Because we personally have been the target of its abuse in its original inception here on Elysium - back in December and prior to the merge with Nostalrius, Holystrike downvoted every single post that either Duki or I had made on these forums which led to the moderators removing the voting system completely.

Holystrike ended up getting forum banned for his actions as a result.

[taladril 43]

Obviously if you are being targeted by a specific individual that person should be banned. And it's a danger to the system but he was banned so problem solved.

[Theloras 108]

1 minute ago, taladril said:

Obviously if you are being targeted by a specific individual that person should be banned. And it's a danger to the system but he was banned so problem solved.

well he was stupid and did all of the down votes from his one account - and I don't believe there was a 10 vote cap in place at the time either (not 100% sure though) but it shows how the system can be duped with dummy accounts and/or friends/guildmates/trolls banding together to $hit on someone's reputation by downvoting their posts on an industrial level

that's all I'm saying

[killerduki 54]

9 minutes ago, taladril said:

Obviously if you are being targeted by a specific individual that person should be banned. And it's a danger to the system but he was banned so problem solved.

Problem was not actually solved , there was 3-4 more doing the same thing , they was under monitoring , thanks to that period we could even see who they are constantly down voting any existent post regardless of it's use.

Currently , it is the same or even worse, you can't even see the person downvoting or harassing .

Another thing is that this DownVote system violate it's TOU with negative experience toward Users (regardless) .

/Kind regards Killerduki

Edited March 17, 2017 by killerduki