GDKP MC + ONY COMING SOON.

[Testlord 2]

Hello, have too much gold? Want an item you know you will never get in your guild? I have the solution for you. 

We will be starting a weekly MC/ONY GDKP PUG. I will get to the point and tell you how it will be run. Currently we plan to run raid at sunday at 3 or 4 pm server time.

• We will not allow people to troll, priest bidding on accuria for example, or another class bidding on a tier that is not of their class
• All epic items will be bid on and at the end, the revenue from the items will be split 40 ways and dolled out either by trade or mail system.
• If there are too many people interested you will be able to reserve your spot into the raid for only 10g. First come first in.
• Basic consumables are required, GFFP, major mana, mongoose and first aid.
• The raid will be run by experienced and honest players.

If you want to know more contact "Bis" or "Flappynoodle" ingame or join the discord.gg/s6WD22e

We are currently lookings for members of all classes/role.  

[Blakeatron1 0]

Trust us with your gold.  Flappynoodle is completely serious and honest.

[killerduki 54]

The toxic plague is coming , if people don't prevent it , will RIP Elysium this system.

@Elviss is witness at some parts of it.

Just as reminder about History of GDKP :  Destroyed Feenix within half year , Kronos also forbid it for same reasons after they experimented allowing it for a while.

/Kind regards Killerduki

[Nautilusship 142]

Is this kind of shit legal here?

[killerduki 54]

48 minutes ago, Nautilusship said:

Is this kind of shit legal here?

There is no rule neither discussion about it currently in Eysium, neither they are aware of it and consequences , in Nostalrius it was strongly under monitoring with extreme restrictions and banhammers.

/Kind regards Killerduki

[Dynamite 0]

9 hours ago, killerduki said:

The toxic plague is coming , if people don't prevent it , will RIP Elysium this system.

@Elviss is witness at some parts of it.

Just as reminder about History of GDKP :  Destroyed Feenix within half year , Kronos also forbid it for same reasons after they experimented allowing it for a while.

/Kind regards Killerduki

In what way did it destroy feenix?

 

[TTL 6]

Personally I don't see how this could affect anything, sure it's sorta pay 2 win... and needing lots of gold may lead people to toxic methods of getting that gold but I don't see how it would destroy a server, would need a more detailed explanation.

[killerduki 54]

1 hour ago, Dynamite said:

In what way did it destroy feenix?

 

All Normal,Casual,Social Guilds disbanded (except hardcore) and Pug-Pug-Pug - Inflated Gold spreading - New people can't get groups for 5 mans neither join raid, LFR version of retail , Gold>Gear , Goldsellers everywhere, P2W = dead server .

/Kind regards Killerduki

[killerduki 54]

20 minutes ago, TTL said:

Personally I don't see how this could affect anything, sure it's sorta pay 2 win... and needing lots of gold may lead people to toxic methods of getting that gold but I don't see how it would destroy a server, would need a more detailed explanation.

Here is example from some people revolt of what happened in Feenix back in the days :

https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=771&hilit=gdkp

by zorex270 » Tue Feb 10, 2015 10:42 pm

Here is now example how it affect server :

Alright seems the same propaganda here like in p....x.

Let me enlighten you what will happen :

1.Crafting Gear from Professions will Devalue to 0 point (useless) .

2.With that crafting Gear all this "mining,skinning,tailoring" . Goes down too (with minor exception of Tailoring).

3.World Drops will Devalue to 0 point (useless).

4.Consumes will start skyrock with price since farmers will get reduced. (people will 90% choose to farm gold from GDKP)

5.Preraid requirement would slowly become a Gold requirement. (we don't care about gear,show your gold).

6.Other Alternative to GDKP will be wiped out and it will remain only system.

7.Items will become Expensive so People would have to farm Gold for Gear instead Gold for Consumes.

8.Scammers would be all around , some leaders will also scam 5% from each pot legally "which could go high number".

9.There is no real Evidence of what will happen (gold trade or mailbox) since it would affect 40 People.

10.Leaders will request "example" : show 10 000 gold if you want to join us. (this was example).

11.People will become Solo and the attitude will get changed to more toxic instead team spirit depend. (lfr blizzard way).

12.Leaders of Pugs are Allowed to "Goldban" people for minor mistake or anytime he wish for if he feel and this is making them profit from that person more.

13.People would stop worry about fun and progressing , they would all "gold,gold,gold".

14.Low Geared People will never be allowed to step in Raid except gold showing. (this make that people leave server).

15.Some Rich "Green Geared" will do High End Raid and get this Gear immediate and fast while 100 others wont be able to step in High End.

16. All Casual and Progressive Guilds Risk getting Wiped out completely and only "Hardcore" will Remain.

- Keep in Note all this happen before in p....x - and i already have that experience .
- Only one who benefit from GDKP are Fully High End Geared by the cost of 90% of overall Population.
- Everyone else Risk leaving Server because of the mention Reasons once there is a choice to do.

There is a reason for this :

1.Many people can't fit in the complex of counting , working proper while leading the raid and doing the "gold calculations/distribution" (i tak overall view) include here also scammers that will scam 40 people gold instead "one pity item".

2.Only few people who understand perfect this system will be able to do raids.

3.There will be opening of "ninja people or trustful/untrustful leaders bad/good leaders" list which unlikely for some mistake many will fill inside this list and will cause only these few people able to lead instead everyone.

4.There will be no alternative to this GDKP since everyone will choose to do it and those people who are unable to fit in the complexity of the system won't be able to lead raids or pugs.

5. It make sense why remaining 90%, its because people will always choose to join "trustful" GDKP leaders by high end guilds only and high end geared only .

6. Meanwhile progressive guilds/casual guilds will go down and this will leave only "hardcore high end" and this is connection among number 5. (there will not be lot more choice) .

7. Why shall we turn this server in PUG's run instead Guild's runs?.

8.I would given you whole situation what has happened before and experience about it with evidences but i am afraid i can't do that because it will end up "server advertisement" . (need approval by Admins to post screenshots with examples).

9.It will destroy server and i am 100% positive in that and this will cost 1-2 years amount of time so please don't (saying from personal experience) .

10.High End people can always switch to level new alternative character when they clear everything and there is no real reason to see them "farming gold" beside "selling that gold" when they got full bis gear.

11. New people in server will not be able to fit in this system because they will need to farm tons of gold in order to join raid or get at least few pieces of gear.

12.Meanwhile Gold is split but New Players still waste gold on gear and consumes while High End gear keep their Gold because they wont even need to use consumes . (this will cause strong damage to economy inbalance). (few people will become enormous rich while everyone will remain on the bottom).
 

/Kind regards Killerduki

[Dynamite 0]

yeah I see the whole p2w and gold selling side of it being an issue.

[killerduki 54]

4 minutes ago, Dynamite said:

yeah I see the whole p2w and gold selling side of it being an issue.

And most important , changing the whole Vanilla ways doing Raids.

Guilds disbanding and turning into Pug without alternative working against new people in server , LFR Version of Retail. It damages extremely the server.

/Kind regards Killerduki

[Undertanker 88]

I too do not understand how this would cause a server to RIP.

Though seems a little early into the server life for this.  This would make more sense when your server is in later content such as AQ and Naxx.

Let's say your guild no longer does MC beyond bindings runs, but you are wanting a BRE, Band of Accuria, Cautering Band, Wildgrowth Shoulders, Onslaught Girdle, ToeP, quick strike bow, so on... you can invest much time farming gold and then go into one of these runs to lock up that BiS, 2nd BiS item you've been chasing for a LONG time.

It gives reasons for other players who are over geared and don't need anything to still come and participate as another means of farming gold while keeping entry level raids active.

I know in earlier expansions of WoW I would have simply raid logged the highest tier raid if it wasn't for GDKP runs.

If handled correctly I don't see an issue.   If you get any reports of misbehavior, and was intentional action you should be banned. 

[Justme 9]

This will not make the server rip. Casual guilds will form. I am assuming people will be proactive in making their own guildruns instead of crying about goldruns

[TTL 6]

3 hours ago, killerduki said:

And most important , changing the whole Vanilla ways doing Raids.

Guilds disbanding and turning into Pug without alternative working against new people in server , LFR Version of Retail. It damages extremely the server.

/Kind regards Killerduki

Fair enough, hopefully Elysium will ban it then.

[killerduki 54]

6 hours ago, Undertanker said:

I too do not understand how this would cause a server to RIP.

Though seems a little early into the server life for this.  This would make more sense when your server is in later content such as AQ and Naxx.

Let's say your guild no longer does MC beyond bindings runs, but you are wanting a BRE, Band of Accuria, Cautering Band, Wildgrowth Shoulders, Onslaught Girdle, ToeP, quick strike bow, so on... you can invest much time farming gold and then go into one of these runs to lock up that BiS, 2nd BiS item you've been chasing for a LONG time.

It gives reasons for other players who are over geared and don't need anything to still come and participate as another means of farming gold while keeping entry level raids active.

I know in earlier expansions of WoW I would have simply raid logged the highest tier raid if it wasn't for GDKP runs.

If handled correctly I don't see an issue.   If you get any reports of misbehavior, and was intentional action you should be banned. 

Telling you because i have huge amount of experience about the system , experienced it already, it is like disease swallowing the server to the point of no returning slowly and steady.

Ninjaing items and Gold will become so much legal thanks to the system flaws, according to the rules of this system GM's wont stand a chance to take action against abusers, only few will be able to do runs for them and it will be only the same individuals all the time instead everyone doing their own things.

In the short time , it work , but later everyone will choose the system as only way to Raid , nobody will be able to do free pugs , nobody will be able to create social/casual/normal guilds , nobody will bother with progression, not because they don't want, because everyone will choose to go Gold runs.

High End Gear people either way can even create new raid for the Items they do, with this system Reserve still will exist regardless , so they can still reserve the items they want and still use P2W system.

It have so many flaws , if you were playing Feenix 3 years ago , then you would know , unfortunately many tend to forget it and many old players no longer play the game to share their experience from the system back in the days.

I just suggest you to take a look on Kronos as example , why they banned and you can see their ban to this system.

Kronos is 2nd server after Feenix where GDKP was implemented and in practice , Feenix didn't ban and died ,Kronos after the recent events it got alive but it banned immediate this system afterward.

I hope @Elviss give some of his hints about GDKP , ofc he wont share the same point of view like me , but he has some experience of this system and i think he can explain it better.

/Kind regards Killerduki

[TheRealJindo 1]

I liked the system, was very handy for servers at which MC and ZG became practically obsolete

[killerduki 54]

14 hours ago, TheRealJindo said:

I liked the system, was very handy for servers at which MC and ZG became practically obsolete

MC and ZG was never obsolete neither there neither here before GDKP.

But i welcome to Elysium and whole community to give a try and destroy it's own project/server with this , i wouldn't mind as long it doesn't affect all servers, because i see the same few gold abuser players from Kronos flee from there and joined here after their System was banned in that project.

/Kind regards Killerduki

[Hurricane2 2]

I dont understand how this isn't win-win for every one.  It's optional to begin with.  It's good for people that have gold and want to use it and it's good for people that don't have gold since you'd earn a decent amount if you don't get any items.  Don't play with ninjas and scammers which is what most people are already trying to do.

[killerduki 54]

6 hours ago, Hurricane2 said:

I dont understand how this isn't win-win for every one.  It's optional to begin with.  It's good for people that have gold and want to use it and it's good for people that don't have gold since you'd earn a decent amount if you don't get any items.  Don't play with ninjas and scammers which is what most people are already trying to do.

That's because new players will come at level 60 without gold and gear , won't be able to find people for 5mans since everyone will do only raid and wont do any 5 mans.

By doing this , the new people wont stand a chance joining these Gold raiders , since the requirements within time will become extremely high "Gold Requirements" unless you bring T2 Gear and carry only those who come with Gold.

What is the alternative to the new people ?

There won't be any Casual/Social/Normal Guilds for them to progress further , there won't be free pugs for everyone , there won't be 5 mans dungeons running for pre bis gear since everyone will use Gold and Raid.

New people will simple quit the server after this situation.

Another reason : It is not win-win for everyone , because new people will have to waste gold for Consumes and for Gear , while End-Game geared will not spend any gold to either things. This will drawn all the Gold from new people and casual and transfer to high end which will cause the same people leaving server being unable to make enough gold in order to join the Raids.

The System will be optional at the beginning , but during time everyone will tend to join Gold runs instead normal gear , nobody will be able to make any alternative raid since nobody will join them.

Last reason : Only few people will be able to lead these GDKP , not everyone like now , only the few people will monopolize the whole raiding within the server.

Not everyone will be able to fit in that system , this will result to plenty scamming , confusions and ofc leaving server.

/Kind regards Killerduki

[TTL 6]

21 hours ago, killerduki said:

That's because new players will come at level 60 without gold and gear , won't be able to find people for 5mans since everyone will do only raid and wont do any 5 mans.

By doing this , the new people wont stand a chance joining these Gold raiders , since the requirements within time will become extremely high "Gold Requirements" unless you bring T2 Gear and carry only those who come with Gold.

What is the alternative to the new people ?

There won't be any Casual/Social/Normal Guilds for them to progress further , there won't be free pugs for everyone , there won't be 5 mans dungeons running for pre bis gear since everyone will use Gold and Raid.

New people will simple quit the server after this situation.

Another reason : It is not win-win for everyone , because new people will have to waste gold for Consumes and for Gear , while End-Game geared will not spend any gold to either things. This will drawn all the Gold from new people and casual and transfer to high end which will cause the same people leaving server being unable to make enough gold in order to join the Raids.

The System will be optional at the beginning , but during time everyone will tend to join Gold runs instead normal gear , nobody will be able to make any alternative raid since nobody will join them.

Last reason : Only few people will be able to lead these GDKP , not everyone like now , only the few people will monopolize the whole raiding within the server.

Not everyone will be able to fit in that system , this will result to plenty scamming , confusions and ofc leaving server.

/Kind regards Killerduki

Yeah I would have to agree.

The points here are very logical and make complete sense. As I mentioned previously I hope Elysium will make this against the rules for the servers sake.

[Justme 9]

On ‎18‎-‎4‎-‎2017 at 5:06 AM, killerduki said:

That's because new players will come at level 60 without gold and gear , won't be able to find people for 5mans since everyone will do only raid and wont do any 5 mans.

By doing this , the new people wont stand a chance joining these Gold raiders , since the requirements within time will become extremely high "Gold Requirements" unless you bring T2 Gear and carry only those who come with Gold.

What is the alternative to the new people ?

There won't be any Casual/Social/Normal Guilds for them to progress further , there won't be free pugs for everyone , there won't be 5 mans dungeons running for pre bis gear since everyone will use Gold and Raid.

New people will simple quit the server after this situation.

Another reason : It is not win-win for everyone , because new people will have to waste gold for Consumes and for Gear , while End-Game geared will not spend any gold to either things. This will drawn all the Gold from new people and casual and transfer to high end which will cause the same people leaving server being unable to make enough gold in order to join the Raids.

The System will be optional at the beginning , but during time everyone will tend to join Gold runs instead normal gear , nobody will be able to make any alternative raid since nobody will join them.

Last reason : Only few people will be able to lead these GDKP , not everyone like now , only the few people will monopolize the whole raiding within the server.

Not everyone will be able to fit in that system , this will result to plenty scamming , confusions and ofc leaving server.

/Kind regards Killerduki

How is this different from using DKP or other loot distribution systems? Do you think the normal situation allows fresh 60s to raid in MC?
It's properly easier to get 2-3k gold then it is to get preraid bis when there are no 5mans going.

[Crixx 2]

gold dkp is nice for what it is. feenix didnt get rip'd by gdkp raids, the inflation you are talking about was gm gold flooding around and ppl buying items in gdkp for over 40k gold. I joined drakons bwl pug (god bless his pugs) and went out without buying in 2h and got 2-3k gold at the end. it is a win-win situation. people who want items can farm gold and dont have to raid in a raiding guild wasting months of time getting dkp and or ranks, and good geared guys can support the raid and get gold in return. also there are enough casual guilds to gear yourself up without having to farm lots amount of gold. 

good luck with the raid

[killerduki 54]

4 hours ago, Justme said:

How is this different from using DKP or other loot distribution systems? Do you think the normal situation allows fresh 60s to raid in MC?
It's properly easier to get 2-3k gold then it is to get preraid bis when there are no 5mans going.

Why should people pay Gold for Items when they can get them for free?

2 hours ago, Crixx said:

gold dkp is nice for what it is. feenix didnt get rip'd by gdkp raids, the inflation you are talking about was gm gold flooding around and ppl buying items in gdkp for over 40k gold. I joined drakons bwl pug (god bless his pugs) and went out without buying in 2h and got 2-3k gold at the end. it is a win-win situation. people who want items can farm gold and dont have to raid in a raiding guild wasting months of time getting dkp and or ranks, and good geared guys can support the raid and get gold in return. also there are enough casual guilds to gear yourself up without having to farm lots amount of gold. 

good luck with the raid

If GDKP was nice , it wouldn't be banned from Kronos and yes feenix was rip'd by gdkp raids, still getting the same rip after they did the same mistake on their new server.

And the same question again , why people should pay Gold for Gear ? It is changing the whole Vanilla into something that this Game never been.

Casual guilds got rip by system , this is unavoidable and proven for many times in feenix.

/Kind regards Killerduki

[Crixx 2]

40 minutes ago, killerduki said:

And the same question again , why people should pay Gold for Gear ?

because they dont have to? Do you fear guilds will disband on a grand scale because of a gdkp pug?

if it is easier to get gear for "free" in your raiding guild, then why do you fear people would pay gold for it?

[killerduki 54]

1 minute ago, Crixx said:

because they dont have to? Do you fear guilds will disband on a grand scale because of a gdkp pug?

if it is easier to get gear for "free" in your raiding guild, then why do you fear people would pay gold for it?

Because all "free runs" will get rekt by the system , no raiding guild will sustain except the hardcore guild .

Everyone will go and tend to do Gold Run instead free pug.

I don't fear if guilds will disband , i know they will disband , experienced it and proven it.

/Kind regards Killerduki