The Broken Succubus

[Patrykiel 0]

Is this pet ever going to get fixed? It's been weeks and it's the same story over and over again (at least on my end). So what is the problem exactly? She gets stuck in the Seduction channeling animation. As soon as Seduction brakes once or twice she just stands there with no reaction. To make matters worse when I click "Seduction" she doesn't go and cast her "Seduction" on the target, she instead just stands there probably polishing her fingernails while I need her to actually go after the target but NOOOOO! You have to get her in range first instead of her going after the target.

As if all of that wasn't enough things get even worse. Oh ye, much worse... Seduction (as far as memory serves) was a channeled ability and it didn't brake prematurely unless you'd WOTF or trinket out of it (or had your succubus attacked by a direct damage spell or melee, thus reducing the length of the Seduction effect, just like you can shorten Drain Life just by attacking a warlock) but instead of having those several short seconds to get away from the target, seduction (a channeled ability used by the succubus) suddenly brakes for no reason, so you never know if will you have 4 seconds to get away from the target, 10 seconds? Who can tell really... It's totally random and that fucks up PvP big time and I'm not talking diminishing returns because I doubt that those are a thing yet. Still, even if they were in the game now, diminishing returns wouldn't kick in till the 2nd seduction and the random braking of seduction can happen after 4-5 seconds (instead of 15) on the 1st Seduction and that is not enough time to gain some distance from the target. It used to be that when the target is seduced he/she is either out of combat for those 15 seconds or trinkets/uses WOTF.

In short:

-Seduction should never randomly brake for no reason.

-When you click on Seduce the succubus should go to the target and Seduce the humanoid enemy instead of waiting for you to run up to the target up to the the 30 yard range.

-Channeling seduction should never make a succubus "bug out" and have her get stuck in the channeling animation in which case she just becomes a useless burden and usually dies.

I never seen things get this bad in PvP and I don't even think that even one single person reported these game braking problems.

[Hurricane2 2]

9 hours ago, Patrykiel said:

-Seduction should never randomly brake for no reason.

-When you click on Seduce the succubus should go to the target and Seduce the humanoid enemy instead of waiting for you to run up to the target up to the the 30 yard range.

-Channeling seduction should never make a succubus "bug out" and have her get stuck in the channeling animation in which case she just becomes a useless burden and usually dies.

I never seen things get this bad in PvP and I don't even think that even one single person reported these game braking problems.

It doesn't always last the for the full duration of the spell so yes it should break randomly.

Clicking seduce from 50+ yards shouldn't work.  Tell your pet to attack then seduce.

Never seen the succubus bug out as you describe so I can't comment on that one.

 

[Patrykiel 0]

1 hour ago, Hurricane2 said:

It doesn't always last the for the full duration of the spell so yes it should break randomly.

Clicking seduce from 50+ yards shouldn't work.  Tell your pet to attack then seduce.

Never seen the succubus bug out as you describe so I can't comment on that one.

 

Give me one example of seduce suddenly braking in Vanilla since I haven't seen one. Just one, common, you can do it if such a case even exists because I don't see one and I've been trying to find it fo hours, so go.

Of course not, the succubus should attack on her own and get in to range first, i shouldn't have to macro it, which is not reliable and a lot of bad shot happens.

It happens constantly, even seen a gnome lock have the same damn problem. His pet was stuck seducing me after I used WOTF and ran circles around it long after WOTF already ran out. She was just standing in one place for 15 seconds or longer, maybe 22+ untill the other lock ran out of pet range and she despawned.

[Hurricane2 2]

Most incapacitating effects don't go to their full duration here.  Fear, banish, and seduce sometimes break before their max timer.  I didn't play warlock in vanilla so I can't confirm timers in relation to that.  

You don't need a macro to attack/seduce but you do have to pay attention which is pretty normal thing to be required to do in my opinion.  

[Patrykiel 0]

1 hour ago, Hurricane2 said:

Most incapacitating effects don't go to their full duration here.  Fear, banish, and seduce sometimes break before their max timer.  I didn't play warlock in vanilla so I can't confirm timers in relation to that.  

You don't need a macro to attack/seduce but you do have to pay attention which is pretty normal thing to be required to do in my opinion.  

Which is why I said it is a channeled effect, channeled effect like Drain Life and Mind Flay. It keeps getting applied on to the target and lasts full duration until the succubus gets hit with a melee attack, then she suffers a push-back and the duration goes down. It's not poly or sap or any of those apply once effects and since it "BRAKES" randomly, the succubus brakes with it and she keeps channeling the spell none stop thus becoming dead weight. She doesn't even recognize when the target is no longer seduced to go in to invisibility.

There is a problem with that too, seduce and auto attack don't go hand in hand. I had situations when the succubus was stuck in a seduction/auto attack loop. How did this look exactly?

My succubus was in melee range of the target when I had her use Seduce but she both as soon as it was cast she smacked the target with her whip instantly braking the section <-note that Lash of Pain was not on auto cast, in fact I don't use it since it drains her mana that I need for seduction.

Broken doesn't even describe it. See what I mean? I can't get away.

[Halens 0]

For me on ZK this is also happening, but a easy fix working for me is just to press ctrl+2 to make her follow you when she is stuck and she comes, then you seduse  target again when in range

[Patrykiel 0]

1 hour ago, Halens said:

For me on ZK this is also happening, but a easy fix working for me is just to press ctrl+2 to make her follow you when she is stuck and she comes, then you seduse  target again when in range

I figured that one out myself but there problem is still a BIG PvP problem, sometimes a follow command doesn't unstuck her right away and furthermore - that moment she's exposed and helpless can cost you your life. In PvP even a second of delay can devastate you and people have been using the opportunities that this bugs give them to the extreme. The moment she's stuck she's usually blasted to death in an instant, CCed and sometimes things get even worse. This insane, shitty bug (or actually "bugs" in this case as the problems are multiple) needs a proper fix, this has been going one for too long.

[Patrykiel 0]

Still broken to death, still dying, still people abuse her fails. It's a never ending cascade of failures.

[riffraffaroo 0]

I don't have evidence, but i don't remember seduce breaking early like other crowd control. Kind of like sheep.

[Lifealert 19]

This must be a default mangos bug because it has been around day 1 of nost. Very annoying.

Doesn't happen EVERY time however.

[Pottu 290]

Report bugs to the Bug Tracker. Preferably with evidence of how it should be.

[Hudson 16]

I did notice a fix posted to the development branch of GitHub dealing with how pets handle channeled spells breaking, so this might improve on Wednesday.

[Patrykiel 0]

On 1.05.2017 at 7:31 PM, Hudson said:

I did notice a fix posted to the development branch of GitHub dealing with how pets handle channeled spells breaking, so this might improve on Wednesday.

Which Wednesday? I'm getting slaughtered here day after day, week after week, month after month, not only does channeling brake randomly (was just about 3 seconds this time on the 2nd seduce while trying to desperately get away from a warrior) but right after I called my succubus back (or tried to) she started jumping up and down like some broken robot and she still tried channeling a failed seduce while glitching :/

This entire pet follow macro doesn't solve the problem at all, combine that with one hella broken death coil and you die all the time. Instead of Death Coil causing the target to run away from you in a straight line, even when someone has their backed turned, players tend to just teleport right behind me or next to me, then pew pew I'm dead in 5 seconds once someone like a rouge or a warrior gets close to me as if attack power was wayyyyyyy out of whack.

It's like being a mage with a broken poly and frost nova. It's just that you have no blink and no snares unless you are affliction.

[Hudson 16]

10 minutes ago, Patrykiel said:

Which Wednesday? I'm getting slaughtered here day after day, week after week, month after month, not only does channeling brake randomly (was just about 3 seconds this time on the 2nd seduce while trying to desperately get away from a warrior) but right after I called my succubus back (or tried to) she started jumping up and down like some broken robot and she still tried channeling a failed seduce while glitching :/

This entire pet follow macro doesn't solve the problem at all, combine that with one hella broken death coil and you die all the time. Instead of Dead Coil causing the target to run away from you in a straight line, even when someone has their backed turned, players tend to just teleport right behind me or next to me, then pew pew I'm dead in 5 seconds once someone like a rouge or a warrior gets close to me as if attack power was wayyyyyyy out of whack.

It's like being a mage with a broken poly and frost nova. It's just that you have no blink and no snares unless you are affliction.

There was no patch update this week, but you can check the progress here (or contribute to it): https://github.com/elysium-project/server/commit/4c06a3cc9f381fcc4692811b87cda081e2a84d6a

[Zakmuffin86 0]

This happens to me all the time.  My succy bugs out, stands around, and requires that I have auto cast seduction on and have her attack a target to get her to seduce.  Sometimes it works when I'm in range and have her seduce, but it mostly doesn't work.  I don't remember having so much trouble with pet controls.  I mostly played a lock in TBC and mained one WotLK.  I did level a lock to mid 20's in vanilla around or before AV released and I didn't have all these issues.  I use bongos action bars if that's at all relevant. 

[Lifealert 19]

being fixed in todays patch

[suhail1200 3]

It's fixed now?

[shaqu 4]

at 5:55 you can see how it actually works