alliance tank question

[kaese 0]

Hello dear community,

i apologise if this question has been asked before. But I'm not satisfied with the answers that I found on the internet. So I am leveling a human warrior. I don't know whether I want to tank or go dps when 60. I kind of want to have both options. As far as i understand, with sword specialization humans can generate more threat than other alliance races. But in pretty much all prot warrior pre raid bis lists all the weapons that are listed are daggers. So does the human racial even do anything for tanks? Do i have a huge disadvantage when i miss out on the additional dodge chance from night elves or the stoneform ability from dwarves? I hope someone can answer my questions.

 

Cheers

[Pwnana 1]

There's not much difference, the differences are marginal compared to Horde side where Tauren has the clear advantage with the +5% hp racial. Sure NE is the best for tank with the dodge racial, and Stoneform ain't too shabby either but I haven't really missed either on my human warrior. But yes generally speaking in raids you have tons of rage to spare so you use a fast Dagger to get off as many Heroic Strikes as quickly as possible for maximum TPS. As such the raid TPS is not really affected by your race.

In 5-man dungeons however as a tank the +5 swords/maces is excellent since it gives you +2% hit with those weapons. It's also absolute game changing if you are a fury warrior, human is pretty much your only reasonable choice for race then.

[Necrosthevile 0]

On Darrowshire and Anethema rage has been normalized, so for raid tanking you would get a good sword or mace for every fight except Vael.

Elysium would be the only realm that rage has not been normalized and a fast dagger is highest TPS for raid tanking.

[Garun 9]

3 hours ago, Necrosthevile said:

On Darrowshire and Anethema rage has been normalized, so for raid tanking you would get a good sword or mace for every fight except Vael.

Elysium would be the only realm that rage has not been normalized and a fast dagger is highest TPS for raid tanking.

I can confirm that rage is normalized on there as well as I main tanked the first half of MC and Ony. I rarely used heroic strike because of a lack of rage. And no, I wasn't in amazing gear either, it was just pre-raid BiS.

As for the OP, the best tank race is debateable between dwarf with stoneskin, human with sword specialization (mainly when you get Thunderfury), and night elf with 1% dodge. I would personally pick a dwarf since that cooldown can be used to clear some bleeds and can also come in handy for a hard physical hitting boss. The only crappy tank race is gnome as it brings no benefits. It's not like horde where Tauren is the obvious choice.

[Undertanker 88]

Pretty much what the other guys said, the rage is normalized.

To further explain what this means, rage gains from incoming damage received have been corrected.

The default MANGOS core counts the rage gains from damage received by what amount you WOULD have taken if you had zero armor.  Rage gains should be calculated AFTER armor considerations.   As this has been changed, your rage gains from incoming damage are lower by approximately 60%-65%.

Because of this correction, a heroic strike spam is not possible other than on Vale in BWL.  Therefore the Dagger is BiS for threat is a misconception that should be left to die and has no place on this server.  Pugio's will be your first highly sought after dagger, for those who rolled a class without a + weapon skill. The desire for this dagger has nothing to do with speed, only the EPH + Hit + Crit + AP.

Your best Mitigation weapon in game is the War Hammer, and the best threat weapon in the game is Thunderfury. 

As for your concerns of am I nerfed or gated behind choosing Human vs NE.  Not at all.

NE has slightly higher based agility and the 1% dodge which is easy to see on paper.  The Human Mace + Sword skill racial for a Protection specced warrior equates to approximately 8% additional rage gains from your white hits on average.

For all raids currently released, including AQ, the amount of fights you'll want to go PURE AVOIDANCE are very limited compared to the amount of fights you'll want to have a balance between avoidance and threat.  A Human will have the advantage here in achieving this balance vs a NE in regards to item budget.  It takes a lot more of an item budget to achieve +8 % rage gains from white hits than it does to achieve 1% dodge.  Your Human racial will also scale with gear and world buffs compared to a static 1% dodge.

In the ideal raid comp, you use your human tank when threat is of concern, and your NE tank when pure avoidance is the focal point of the fight.

I chose NE myself due to being a day 1 player, and heroic strike spam due to incoming damage rage calculations were set to what they were.  Knowing this, white hit swings would be limited and therefore negated the majority of the human racial for a tank.   This has since been changed, but my toon is far too vested to ever consider rerolling for that 8% rage gain on white hits.

[TTL 6]

10 hours ago, Pwnana said:

There's not much difference, the differences are marginal compared to Horde side where Tauren has the clear advantage with the +5% hp racial. Sure NE is the best for tank with the dodge racial, and Stoneform ain't too shabby either but I haven't really missed either on my human warrior. But yes generally speaking in raids you have tons of rage to spare so you use a fast Dagger to get off as many Heroic Strikes as quickly as possible for maximum TPS. As such the raid TPS is not really affected by your race.

In 5-man dungeons however as a tank the +5 swords/maces is excellent since it gives you +2% hit with those weapons. It's also absolute game changing if you are a fury warrior, human is pretty much your only reasonable choice for race then.

Except Alliance have Kings... and Horde do not. It's a wash if you compare the two.

[Justme 9]

On 5/9/2017 at 6:41 AM, TTL said:

Except Alliance have Kings... and Horde do not. It's a wash if you compare the two.

Horde has kings if you abuse Mind Control.

Alliance never has Windfury

[Storpappa 0]

Generally you dont want to use fast weapons such as daggers when tanking unless you're in a situation where you need to dump rage fast. For like really short boss encounters during speedruns. Our guild kills lucifron in 23 seconds on elysium pvp. So a dagger could argueably be good there. I pref Ironfoe tho.

Humans are significantly better then both dwarfs and nightelfs. Its not even an a close comparison. The weapon skill increase the amount of damage your glancing blows does by quite alot, Which increases your rage gain by set margain and your Dps --> Tps. Nightelfs reduce your tps with their stupid dodge. and dwarfs racial is very situational and reduces the rage you gain from damage taken. Could be good for progression but its not worth it compared to humans.

Humans are just flat out best. The best tanking weapons in the game is maces and swords aswell so it goes without sayin.

[Mememaster 0]

1 hour ago, Justme said:

Horde has kings if you abuse Mind Control.

 

Doesn't work here, go try it. 

[Justme 9]

34 minutes ago, Mememaster said:

Doesn't work here, go try it. 

CBA to level a alliance priest to 60

[kaese 0]

On 8.5.2017 at 8:30 PM, Necrosthevile said:

On Darrowshire and Anethema rage has been normalized, so for raid tanking you would get a good sword or mace for every fight except Vael.

Elysium would be the only realm that rage has not been normalized and a fast dagger is highest TPS for raid tanking.

so is rage going to get "normalized" on the elysium realm someday?

[Slicy 11]

Human = Dwarf > NE = Gnome.

Weapon skill is quite good for better TPS. But at some point Stoneform will be better than it if you look at what's up in the last 2 raid tiers. That racial is underestimated (probably because of ignorance of what bleeds/poisons debuffs you can dispel and be immune to with it). Escape Artist has way more utility than people would give it credit to in pve (dispelling a Hamstring on C'thun as an example) and 1% dodge is not too shabby either.

TLDR : Roll what you'd like to play depending on looks and melee animations. If you are a good tank, nobody cares what race your character is. All of them have their perks.