Something you should be warned before starting

[Ozymandiy 0]

Ok Im newby and didnt play since actual vanilla. Im not gonna cry or demand anything. Just a warning for someone who's might get started playing on this server. Cuz no one warned me about it when i started:

Im not a PVE player, and I dont looking for raids as main pastime. Mostly i was looking for PVP on Battlegrounds so i choosed pvp-realm. Didnt join any bg before lv60. And what I have found very dissapoint me :( 

Queues takes like 30-40m (horde side) and then ends in 5m looses. Even if both teams are full (AB for example) it's still ends like 9-10 vs 15 cuz there always are AFK players who just chill on one spot waiting to lose. So, I spend almost full day on BG's and won only 10-15 times. Seriusly? PVP realm? ~40m queues? AFK on battlegrounds? 

I know what you gonna say - play in premade, farm worldpvp, and you right that is some kind of way out. But that wouldn't bring joy from solo battlegrounds fun for me.

I feel like child who was waiting for a chocolate bar, but received a slice of lemon. A pvp realm without BGs...I wish someone had warned me before.

[taka 0]

ye mate i have to agree with ya

i love solo bg's pvp

today i played all day bg  pvp ... i lost like 70% of bg's

queues are insane  ... and than your facing ally premade

many playes are afk on bg's - why nobody does anything with that ???

i dont see any horde premades ... the only ones are chinese farmers ...

I am very disappointed with bg's pvp  on this server

I do not even want to think wha will t happend with horde bg's pvp  when AV starts  

 

[Gnog 1]

You aren't alone. Go post a suggestion in the thread in the News and Annoucement forum. 

[Parla 1]

There has been enough people complaining about this to make a premade of only whiners. Group up and have fun.

[SleepyLiver 0]

I react to your topic because of one point I read so many times : horde pug's complaints about their lack of victory.
Ok fair enough, i just spent the entire week grinding with my Alliance mage in pug's, when we face premades we loose, no surprise here, rest of the time guess what we lose most of our games in AB, a litle bit less in wsg but it's not a victory palooza whatshoever ! It works in series sometimes we win 3-4 games in a row and loose the 6 next ones. No doubt that you guys must face a though experience with all the ally premades rolling but can horde player argue about this situation ? This complaining about horde pug seems overated to me.

[csant 3]

Thats not the point. When pug's actually put up a fight horde win and the win % is pretty good. But those are few inbetween matches with premades where they dont put up a fight and just afk. 

 

Parla - easier said then done. 

[SleepyLiver 0]

Re reading my post i realise that 3-4 win in a row is generous, it's more like 2-3. Speaking for this week winning streaks happened once or twice in a day not more.

[SleepyLiver 0]

Ok but what i don't get is that what are inbetween's for you is a constant for us ! Is the population gap the only explanation ?

[TTL 6]

5 hours ago, Parla said:

There has been enough people complaining about this to make a premade of only whiners. Group up and have fun.

If all the skilled and pro *cough* alliance players rolled Horde and took a challenge, I don't think this would be an issue here. Flavor of the Month players are lulz.

Should just disable premades vs. pugs and that would be a solution to either force some rerolls, more pug queues etc.

At the moment horde is forced to make premades to even compete well which is kinda shit for your average player.

[taka 0]

horde bg's pvp don't exist on this server ...

this game is old .. ppl know hot to play it ... its 2017 ...  not 2005  ;]

we don't have premades and ally players  like to ride their butts on  holy paladins ... we have like 2-3 on every ally team + druids and holy priests  ... it's easy mode for them

ally premades are killing bg's pvp on this server ... av will be a disaster

Do not count "chinese farmers"  as players ... they are more like aids .. they kill every private server

 

 

[Parla 1]

18 hours ago, TTL said:

If all the skilled and pro *cough* alliance players rolled Horde and took a challenge, I don't think this would be an issue here. Flavor of the Month players are lulz.

Should just disable premades vs. pugs and that would be a solution to either force some rerolls, more pug queues etc.

At the moment horde is forced to make premades to even compete well which is kinda shit for your average player.

To be honest most people roll the faction their friends/guild decides to roll. 

 I do have a have a horde character and we have done premades. 

[Ragward 2]

 

19 hours ago, TTL said:

Should just disable premades vs. pugs and that would be a solution to either force some rerolls, more pug queues etc.

listen if you disable "premade vs pug" you will kill premades completely their would be no point whatsoever as you would have more success and gaining better honor in a pug , which would ruin the ranking system.

secondly 

On 5/24/2017 at 1:24 PM, Parla said:

There has been enough people complaining about this to make a premade of only whiners. Group up and have fun.

Entirely correct , so many posts have been made on the same topic just make a premade and stop being so pathetic - "solo bg que is fun for me not a premade" okay then dont complain if you face a premade because this is YOUR choice to play solo

third 

10 hours ago, taka said:

ally premades are killing bg's pvp on this server ... av will be a disaster

no horde being pathetic is what is killing pvp on this server , and AV you cannot group Que 40 people to this you can time the que so you can POSSIBLY get into the same game but chances are that you wont.

 

In conclusion - AFK players in BG's need to be reported as the Devs / gm's have said they would ban these players if they AFK as it is against the TOU, Make a premade so you can compete in bg's and actually stand a chance or put up a fight, there are already a few non chinese premades on the server on horde side which are doing very well it is doable just takes effort "vanilla wow".

FYI I am a horde player not alliance - thought I would mention this as there will most likely be a comment "easy for a alliance player to say this".

[Hurricane2 2]

I approve of Ragward's post.  Removing choice rarely is a good thing.

[TTL 6]

1 hour ago, Ragward said:

 

listen if you disable "premade vs pug" you will kill premades completely their would be no point whatsoever as you would have more success and gaining better honor in a pug , which would ruin the ranking system.

secondly 

Entirely correct , so many posts have been made on the same topic just make a premade and stop being so pathetic - "solo bg que is fun for me not a premade" okay then dont complain if you face a premade because this is YOUR choice to play solo

third 

no horde being pathetic is what is killing pvp on this server , and AV you cannot group Que 40 people to this you can time the que so you can POSSIBLY get into the same game but chances are that you wont.

 

In conclusion - AFK players in BG's need to be reported as the Devs / gm's have said they would ban these players if they AFK as it is against the TOU, Make a premade so you can compete in bg's and actually stand a chance or put up a fight, there are already a few non chinese premades on the server on horde side which are doing very well it is doable just takes effort "vanilla wow".

FYI I am a horde player not alliance - thought I would mention this as there will most likely be a comment "easy for a alliance player to say this".

No it wouldn't destroy the ranking system, I highly doubt it was intended to abuse the ranking system by ensuring yourself that you're probably the highest honor recipient based on the amount of "steamroll premades" you can do as you claim that's the only reason they run the premades in the first place. There really wouldn't be anything wrong with more pug play because at least it gives "choice" to both sides, without exclusively forcing one faction to play premades because an overwhelming amount of tryhard PvP guilds rolled Alliance for Paladins & racials. If premading wasn't such a naive solution listed here, it would have happened the last several months already.

Just like with server population gaps (Darrowshire comes to mind), shit like this will just happen.

If you're going to be a white knight, at least be fair about your logic rather than double standards. Yes it's YOUR choice to play solo, it's a choice at least, premading being the solution is not a choice because you're saying it's the only way to deal with it and there is no choice there.

I'm completely in support for competitive PvP, and premades but I'll call a shit a shit when I see it. Of course they'll never disable premades but for Horde in general it would be the shoe on the other foot.

[Vollfos 2]

First , Alliance has instant queue.

That doesnt mean , that you get easy honor as pug ( as premade yes).

This has as result , that a premade earns 80-120k honor per day.

From what i know there are 5 fix premade groups which runs evry day.

 

If you play solo , you dont rank up faster then hordeside, because you loose way more games atm against horde pugs (4 afk at stables =standart).

And the honorpool per week factionwide is way higher then horde. Means : i got only 60% at rank 8 last week with 285k honor ( all solo farmed )

 

I have a friend on horde side who telled me that you get with half the honor (about 150k) pretty much the same amount of rank increase.

Means you wont rank up better an alliance side aswell, if you just play solo.

 

It had reasons why Blizzard changed the system complete at the end of vanilla / beginning tbc ( arena).

 

And to face the problems with stacking paladins in premades :

 

The premade from Yesmaster pretty much stacks 3 priests/2-3schaman and 1-2 druids.

So he does the same at all to get the best possible results.

The system is like it is , and people which are willing to get good results doing their best to get the best possible results. 

Its like realife aswell.

[Eggwald 0]

Need more pvp-ers on alliance. there is like 30 horde at the battle masters and only 10 alliance at their battle master.

[Justme 9]

Thie thread..

Horde afking and somehow its alliances fault for premading omg

[Eggwald 0]

Guys the real problem is the distribution of players.  its not the premades. Don't misdirect the problem.

Alliance just have a smaller group of pvp players so competing for the top ranks isn't as hard, therefore they have easier access to the best pvp gear.

Horde has a bit more competition so ranks and gear are perhaps more evenly distributed amongst horde?

The problem is alliance is missing all the average joes(who just wanna play pvp for fun) that horde has, I think.

Currently (4:40am here), there's like 6 alliance at battlemaster and yet again 30 horde. So like for every 2.5 games(made that number up) an alliance plays, 1 horde gets to play.

The horde players go afk from the waiting. Maybe its not as -fun- to pvp as a horde if you wait so long. 

Alliance players that pvp are constantly in the fight enjoying the game so they keep coming back and they have more practice.

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Alliance needs MORE  pvp players.

or alternatively horde needs LESS(which isn't a good request).

[TTL 6]

19 hours ago, Justme said:

Thie thread..

Horde afking and somehow its alliances fault for premading omg

When you queue up to PvP and fight 6 different premades within like 30 mins, I can see why the horde is afking.

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This thread...

Alliance steamrolling tons of premades nonstop and it's somehow the horde fault for afking.

[Justme 9]

2 hours ago, TTL said:

When you queue up to PvP and fight 6 different premades within like 30 mins, I can see why the horde is afking.

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This thread...

Alliance steamrolling tons of premades nonstop and it's somehow the horde fault for afking.

well, yeah. Its not our fault you're afking. We just wanna win and apperently you guys don't wanna.

[csant 3]

If the horde has the same about of premades as say the alliance (yes, we know alliance has less as a faction) then it shouldn't be a problem queuen up against each other. Leaving pugs to battle pugs. Though that will make for horde to wait 30mins+ for games. Pick your poison per say...

Either way it sucks for horde. I went horde here w/o knowing the faction imbalance and because I played alliance for like the last 8 years on retail. I haven't log on in like a week.

[Vollfos 2]

guys why you cry all time about horde queue sucks...

 you really think it would be better when you were on allianze ? 

 

and premade against premade ? really ? 

the consequences would be simple, alliance wouldnt play premade , and they just play as 4 people like its now on warsong .

 

and without the premade groups horde would have 1 hour + queuetime. the premades from alliance side are the only reason why you only wait 30 mins....

some of you should cry way less and think about what you are telling your own mind about.

[Vollfos 2]

and as i said , before , its easier atm getting a higher rank on horde side then alliance .... ( honor pool )

[Tronco 0]

Whatever your conclusions come, nothing will change.

Run your own Horde  premades and put up a fight