Is there a good overview of Paladins? For both PvE and PvP and specs?

[Theloras 108]

49 minutes ago, Patchi said:

Yeah, top performing guilds are 9/9, AQ's been out a month now ....

cause they created their own servers with the open source code in order to test every single encounter prior to the launch on Elysium...

jesus christ you're deluded

[killerduki 54]

35 minutes ago, Theloras said:

cause they created their own servers with the open source code in order to test every single encounter prior to the launch on Elysium...

jesus christ you're deluded

don't forget about Blacklisted (crestfall crew aka imbaslap) , they are beta testers and they all doing it even before release happen.

/Kind regards Killerduki

[kingRat 1]

8 hours ago, Theloras said:

#1 Laserd 170924(842/s) 7.1%

#2 Pepito 160193(789/s) 6.6%

#3 Feendilly 155652(767/s) 6.4%

#4 @Smiter 142722(703/s) 5.9%

#5 Publicradio 142500(702/s) 5.9%

http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/FightOverview.aspx?Raid=74527&Fight=4

http://realmplayers.com/CharacterViewer.aspx?realm=Ana&player=Smiter

you were saying...

Nice job of moving the goalpost when I ask for a top performing guild. I'll humor you however.

Even in that shit guild his overall contribution to your great 7/9 AQ (rofl) is remarkably low, cherrypicking one fight doesn't really make a good argument.

  

I think we can conclude by saying that there are no retlol paladins doing well in top performing guilds nor will there ever be.

@killerduki hey dunky did you maintank razorgore yet succesfully? How's the Blooders doing in general? I mean those 20mans surely are a fun distraction but wouldn't people like to raid the Tier 2 content let alone AQ40 any time soon?

[Theloras 108]

2 minutes ago, kingRat said:

Nice job of moving the goalpost when I ask for a top performing guild. I'll humor you however.

Even in that shit guild his overall contribution to your great 7/9 AQ (rofl) is remarkably low, cherrypicking one fight doesn't really make a good argument.

  

I think we can conclude by saying that there are no retlol paladins doing well in top performing guilds nor will there ever be.

@killerduki hey dunky did you maintank razorgore yet succesfully? How's the Blooders doing in general? I mean those 20mans surely are a fun distraction but wouldn't people like to raid the Tier 2 content let alone AQ40 any time soon?

you know people who look at overall stats really need to take their head out of their asses cuz it shows how naive they are at parsing data

why is that?

cause people can die right off the bat due to a lag spike or bad luck and it will skew their overall data down the toilet

look at individual boss fights to gauge how well a particular player/class performs

[Theloras 108]

Here's Fluffydrake doing even higher DPS on Fankris:

http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/FightOverview.aspx?Raid=71870&Fight=3

http://realmplayers.com/CharacterViewer.aspx?realm=Ana&player=Fluffydrake

why is all of that important to consider compared to his overall stats?

http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/RaidOverview.aspx?Raid=71870

CUZ HE HEALS ON EVERY OTHER BOSS AND WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT DOES TO HIS OVERALL DPS STATS?!?!?!?!?!?

Still don't believe me?

http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/FightOverallOverview.aspx?FightName=Fankriss+the+Unyielding&realm=Ana&ClassLimit=WrIRoIPa

Fluffydrake is #40 on the entire server for melee dps on Fankriss (this includes Fury Wars and Rogues)

[killerduki 54]

Because retarded people like you with this double standard rules server are always getting away when they do insult here is for you.

6 hours ago, kingRat said:

@killerduki hey dunky did you maintank razorgore yet succesfully? How's the Blooders doing in general? I mean those 20mans surely are a fun distraction but wouldn't people like to raid the Tier 2 content let alone AQ40 any time soon?

 

/Kind regards Killerduki

[kingRat 1]

4 hours ago, killerduki said:

Because retarded people like you with this double standard rules server are always getting away when they do insult here is for you.

 

/Kind regards Killerduki

hey dunky, that's from feenix buddy, where classes and encounters were massively broken. How about showing the progress on the greatest elysium project with best working paladin mechanics in private servers history (quoting you). Or are you still doing 20men and Molten Core since you struggle with General Drakkisath when you're flasked with titans in the INCREDIBLY!! diffIcult encounter that is UBRS.

@Theloras theldog, linking one fight, especially where it says in the top of the logs 'SW_Stats Reset occured mid fight thus the data on this page may not be accurate' seems to me like grasping at straws, especially when the player in question isn't to be seen in ANY ranking or record for averages in BWL http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/Ranking.aspx?Bosses=0B0C0D0E0F0G0H0I&realm=Ana&ClassLimit=WrIRoIPa nor AQ40 http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/Ranking.aspx?Bosses=1C1D1E1F1G1H1I1J1K&realm=Ana&ClassLimit=WrIRoIPa. Also, if the player in question offheals since he can't properly dps on other encounters it'll of course bring in to question the reason to bring him into the encounters, the spot would be better used by a pure dps doing an all around average job (still contributing to every kill) even if his average dps might be lower than one spike (possibly skewed data) from the retardin.

Of course the player in question is nowhere to be seen for any other record dps either for the whole of AQ40, I'm sure in an autistic fit you've gone through the whole of realmplayers to find this one record of a possibly bugged log so I'll assume he hasn't broken any records in MClol or BWL.

 

We can also call into question the whole legitimacy and consistency of these logs when you look at http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/FightOverallOverview.aspx?FightName=C'Thun&realm=Ana, even when it says "Fights with unrealistic dmg spikes(SW_Stats reset bug) are disqualified from this list." it clearly isn't working right.

 

//Waiting for the next reply with more bias and salt from the PaladinDuo

[Theloras 108]

you're just grasping at straws...rather pathetically I might add - now you're refusing to accept realmplayers.com data

but here you go - Fluffydrake came number ONE on his guild's Fankriss kill earlier in April:

INSOMNIA vs Fankriss the Unyielding(41591)attempt 2/2 (kill)

Fight started 2017-04-30 22:07:34 and fight duration was 169 seconds.

Most accurate version was recorded by Lawdy using addon version 1.9.13

Fight was also recorded(possibly less accurately) by Helmand, Alyndria,

#1 Fluffydrake 142497(843/s) 8.6%

#2 Helmand 108084(640/s) 6.5%

#3 Zocora 101407(600/s) 6.1%

#4 Diggens 95499(565/s) 5.8%

#5 Brainzy 95051(562/s) 5.7%

http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/FightOverview.aspx?Raid=70366&Fight=7

and no 'SW_Stats Reset occured mid fight thus the data on this page may not be accurate'

can't wait for you to try and refute this one...

[panthesatyr 0]

So which "top guild" is kingRat a member of, since he apparently knows everything?

[Theloras 108]

1 hour ago, panthesatyr said:

So which "top guild" is kingRat a member of, since he apparently knows everything?

top kek right there good sir!

[Roxanne Flowers 15]

5 hours ago, panthesatyr said:

So which "top guild" is kingRat a member of, since he apparently knows everything?

Let me guess, it's a guild with 1 member still in it and the guild name is "Top" ...

[gamemechanic 0]

18 hours ago, Theloras said:

you're just grasping at straws...rather pathetically I might add - now you're refusing to accept realmplayers.com data

but here you go - Fluffydrake came number ONE on his guild's Fankriss kill earlier in April:

INSOMNIA vs Fankriss the Unyielding(41591)attempt 2/2 (kill)

Fight started 2017-04-30 22:07:34 and fight duration was 169 seconds.

Most accurate version was recorded by Lawdy using addon version 1.9.13

Fight was also recorded(possibly less accurately) by Helmand, Alyndria,

#1 Fluffydrake 142497(843/s) 8.6%

#2 Helmand 108084(640/s) 6.5%

#3 Zocora 101407(600/s) 6.1%

#4 Diggens 95499(565/s) 5.8%

#5 Brainzy 95051(562/s) 5.7%

http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/FightOverview.aspx?Raid=70366&Fight=7

and no 'SW_Stats Reset occured mid fight thus the data on this page may not be accurate'

can't wait for you to try and refute this one...

Impressive dps, but if i look at the damage taken he is also at top. It isn't hard to imagine that he had a different role than the other dps'.... Come on... We know that fight and why he was at the top.

Edit:

This doesn't look like a ret pala to me....

[Theloras 108]

dense people are dense - yes, I know Fluffydrake tanks - wanted to see if you were so amazing at figuring it out yourself

doesn't negate the fact that he is still #40 for all melee dps on anathema for that fight no matter how hard you try...

or Smiter's DPS either for being pure DPS

but keep grasping at straws guys

[gamemechanic 0]

39 minutes ago, Theloras said:

dense people are dense - yes, I know Fluffydrake tanks - wanted to see if you were so amazing at figuring it out yourself

doesn't negate the fact that he is still #40 for all melee dps on anathema for that fight no matter how hard you try...

or Smiter's DPS either for being pure DPS

but keep grasping at straws guys

Nah.. You clearly shown yet again, that you have idea what you are talking about. It isn't exactly the first time....

[Theloras 108]

2 minutes ago, gamemechanic said:

blah blah blah blah

lawl - lemme guess, you thought holy resistance existed too didn't you?

[kingRat 1]

Someone removed the earlier post )) so this donkeys' argument that ret is good at dpsing is one encounter where the guy in question is tanking and then cannot produce anything else and even mentions that the other guy has to heal in encounters since he'd otherwise be useless.

Talk about a waste of a raid spot.

[Theloras 108]

8 minutes ago, kingRat said:

Someone removed the earlier post )) so this donkeys' argument that ret is good at dpsing is one encounter where the guy in question is tanking and then cannot produce anything else and even mentions that the other guy has to heal in encounters since he'd otherwise be useless.

Talk about a waste of a raid spot.

why dont you post your raidstats and show everyone how 1337 you are...

[gamemechanic 0]

2 hours ago, Theloras said:

lawl - lemme guess, you thought holy resistance existed too didn't you?

As i have told you numerous times, i was never a part of this discussion and i have no intention going there. I'm happy for you, that you where right once.

You clearly made a mistake here. Its okay. But please do not keep spreading false information to the community.

[Whitewolf 1]

@kingRat @gamemechanic @Theloras

Wow no one in this thread besides killerduki has actually helped the OP and therefore everyone should get off their own high horses. Can we please stay on topic instead of flapping epeens around getting potentially useful threads locked and ignored?

[gamemechanic 0]

4 minutes ago, Whitewolf said:

@kingRat @gamemechanic @Theloras

Wow no one in this thread besides killerduki has actually helped the OP and therefore everyone should get off their own high horses. Can we please stay on topic instead of flapping epeens around getting potentially useful threads locked and ignored?

I can mostly agree with you. But from my point of view useful threads should not be contaminated with false information.

[Patchi 4]

Really, and truly, if you want to clear end game, and see 9/9 AQ, and then venture into Naxx and actually be in a guild good enough to clear the raid. Go Holy.

[Whitewolf 1]

1 minute ago, gamemechanic said:

I can mostly agree with you. But from my point of view useful threads should not be contaminated with false information.

Everyone has posted unnecessarily in this thread, including me just now. Everyone can say their piece and let it go, but everyone here has to get the last say. You did your job by pointing out a mistake that Theloras made, then you fall into a trap that brings you down to a level that makes you seem antagonistic.

Regardless, continuing to be off topic will get this thread shut down.

@Patchi are you saying it has never happened? If it has ever happened you are spreading a falsehood. Saying it would be a lot easier would be more appropriate.

I'm done with this thread.

[Patchi 4]

If you look at the rosters for the guilds that are 9/9 AQ, which is a strong indicator that those guilds will likely be the ones to see a full clear of Naxx, there is no Ret Paladin, or Prot Paladin, on any of their main raider rosters.

 

Back in retail Vanilla? Sure I'm sure there were some guilds that eventually cleared AQ and dabbled in Naxx that had a ret, but you won't find any retail guilds that cleared naxx, or any guilds on Elysium that are 9/9 and at the tip of progression, that have a ret. It's all Holy paladins. And there's a reason for that. If people would stop being so thick, they could see the strengths of the class for what they are, and that's healing. Rets do nowhere near 90% of the damage of a warrior, same consumables same skill level, or a rogue.

[Theloras 108]

1 hour ago, Patchi said:

If you look at the rosters for the guilds that are 9/9 AQ, which is a strong indicator that those guilds will likely be the ones to see a full clear of Naxx, there is no Ret Paladin, or Prot Paladin, on any of their main raider rosters.

 

Back in retail Vanilla? Sure I'm sure there were some guilds that eventually cleared AQ and dabbled in Naxx that had a ret, but you won't find any retail guilds that cleared naxx, or any guilds on Elysium that are 9/9 and at the tip of progression, that have a ret. It's all Holy paladins. And there's a reason for that. If people would stop being so thick, they could see the strengths of the class for what they are, and that's healing. Rets do nowhere near 90% of the damage of a warrior, same consumables same skill level, or a rogue.

my guild is 7/9 AQ with not only a Ret but also me as Prot and more than half the guild never set foot inside AQ or at the very least not since 2006

[Imbaslap 14]

On 5/27/2017 at 8:08 PM, killerduki said:

don't forget about Blacklisted (crestfall crew aka imbaslap) , they are beta testers and they all doing it even before release happen.

/Kind regards Killerduki

Blacklisted actually never beta tested for elysium nor care to.

another reason why the raid release was so sloppy too. (just look at AQ20) 

someday, we will experience the ossirian fight as it was on retail.... someday...